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for the record-
in looking at the video, i don't think the hit was /that/ bad. but i also say this knowing i have a bias.
what i think made nils deserving of the penalty (esp. under iihf jr rules...) is that, while he started by bracing for a hit, it obviously wasn't coming, and he had an opportunity either to try to avoid as much contact as he could--seeing as denisenko was vulnerable--or continue into contact. he should have known it was a dangerous play and particularly tried to avoid contact with denisenko's head, which i don't think he did.
denisenko made a mistake and put himself in a bad position, but nils should have played more within the remit of this tournament's rules and with more respect to its scope of age considering he normally plays in a men's league.
what i find disturbing is that it's his second failure under two different hockey jurisdictions to remain eligible for all contests owing to a judged major infraction. it's honestly concerning, especially if you're from another fanbase. i don't think it's right at this point to be defending him so openly; my response to the earlier event when it happened was that i wanted to give nils the benefit of the doubt but would hope he does nothing this borderline again in his career. and i think this was considered quite a fair take on here at the time, unless i'm misremembering and only talked about it in other circles. and now that he's done something quite questionable-to-bad again, i'm going to be just crossing my fingers that nothing like this comes from him in a long time and that if/when it does, it's another 'well, seems he honestly didn't mean to thing' that doesn't end up putting a hardworking person out of work and health for 3+ months. i think this forum tends to misunderstand how devastating that must be for a person.
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48 minutes ago, Hogs & Podz said:
We'll never get all of the head shots out a 100%. It's simply to fast moving to prevent violent collisions. Same goes for football, rugby etc. I'm glad things have changed for the better but changing things much more and then we don't have hockey.
You should seriously consider changing your sporting interests to baseball, tennis, curling, basketball (maybe to much violent contact for you?), soccer, etc.
Hoglander, though went across the line for IIHF rules, I see a smaller player doing his best to protect himself from a player bigger then him coming in for a hit at high speed. If Hoglander just let the player hit him, we very well could be talking about his head injury right now. The whole event was unfortunate but if you don't like the 'unneeded' extracurricular activities then you have a right to watch another sport that caters to you sensibilities.
i am not a squeamish person, and it's not about my sensitivities. it's about fostering a safe work environment for people so they don't develop CTE.
will collisions with the head ever be removed from the game completely? probably not.
but you're clueless if you don't think hoglander has an obligation both professionally and otherwise to follow the rules within the leagues he plays in (and to re-evaluate himself when he gets hit with suspensions/game removals), and your ability to deflect blame and cover for him shows that you're entirely blind toward the actual important topic here of where the kid's reputation is heading and what happens if he keeps getting penalized on dangerous plays he could have mitigated.
i feel like the culture on this website is still 10 years ago.
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1 hour ago, 10pavelbure96 said:
Good. We need a guy like that. Every team in the league would want a Brad Marchand on their top line or a Nils Hog in their pool.
Get real
imo there's no place in this organization for Wilsons/Marchands. if he turns out to be a dirty crop,--which all i'm saying is becoming likelier truth the more he doles out illegal hits,--i'd like for him to have a good, non-prejudiced and open discussion with team coaching/management here and given the opportunity to make appropriate adjustments to his game for the safety of his opponents, i guess because i'm not from the stone age and believe hockey players have a right to earn their living in a safe environment that prioritizes their surviving to retirement with their brain in tact. if he can't adjust well, i would prefer him to be shipped out. the players in the NHL are doing their /jobs/. when they are on the ice, they are working. they do not deserve to go to a location of employment and have people who are their colleagues running gun at their heads. that's just ridiculous, and as a respectable team we should recognize it and make sure nothing of that type of play manifests within the talent we pick at the draft and then develop into the league.
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3 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:
I want my 4+mins.
She never got around to any kind of explanation.
He didn't let her. He was in 'own the lib' mode.
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8 minutes ago, deus.ex.makina said:
Sure, it’s called a wrong answer.
You can't prove it's wrong.
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7 minutes ago, Borvat said:
I don't read comments on reddit. Hoglander threw a reverse hit like a lot of players - especially smaller players - do. He got his elbows up and shouldn't have. It's people tying this latest penalty to the other one that is my point. Edler has been suspended several times in the NHL. Is Edler considered a vicious player now because of multiple suspensions or does reddit decide?
reddit does quite a bit to influence player reputations, yeah. i think if there's a pattern of 5-and-game penalties and/or suspensions that the player has to sit down and think about what they need to do to play within the rules better. as i understand it, there was another concerning play by hoglander that wasn't penalized sometime- not sure whether it was this season or last.
but if he doesn't want to become another 'rat' among other fanbases/league officials, he does need to calm down, sorry to say.
another poster said it well; we are all biased when evaluating the sportsmanship of our prospects/players. that people laugh at the guy who points this out is sadly good tell of the quality of discussion that can be had here.
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this cdc place is an echo chamber of opinions i will never understand.
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12 minutes ago, Borvat said:
Maybe he is following in Mad Dog Edler's footsteps.
did edler do anything like this to another player before he was 20?
the other guy hasn't played since- and this was early october.
look at the reponses on reddit; people are already seriously tying his name to players like marchand. if that's the reputation he's gaining for himself, there's something that needs to be removed from or altered within his game, probably.
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7 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said:
Completely agree.
Tom Wilson? Who the heck even brought that name up? Wilson is 6'4" 220. Hoglander is 5'9". Good god that is a bad take...
Hogs was reverse hitting thinking he was getting hit right after dishing the puck. He should have gotten 2 minutes for that for sure.
Yet there is the russian playing the next shift.
Pathetic reffing.....again...
Edit: oh...it was UticaHockey bringing up Tom Wilson lol.....ok pal. Are you even a fan of the Canucks or just Utica? Are you here just trying to get the Canuck fan base jacked up by bringing up a name like Tom Wilson in the Hoglander thread? Jeezus....
Nils is going to develop such a reputation as Tom's if these 5-and-games continue, end of story.
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hog just got 5 and a game... ~4 minutes into the game.
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podkolzin with an early assist today - passed from the corner to morosov in the slot, who riped it and scored.
it was accomplished after he kept the puck alive/kept control of it for his team by battling in the other corner.
definitely an effort of more than him- don't want to say he did it all himself- but he played a good part in a scoring play.
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14 hours ago, DarthMelvin said:
Sup y'all? Happy New Year woooo
gz guys we all made it
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On 1/1/2020 at 3:39 PM, Phat Fingers said:
Sounds like your tweed coat is getting itchy under the collar there professor.
Must be a Stats Professor to be so knowledgeable about the value of the Plus/Minus stat that the rest of us unwashed are unaware of.
We must be right because there are many of us and one of Fred!
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Ivory pressed down by technical fingers
And then released
Sent off ringing sounds, like cockroaches-in-ear,
Through the pipes of the organ,
Rattling, not ceasing
In the strange cry of Church-stuff: its instruments, the acoustics of the walls--
Everything hates him here, man-of-no-gods--
Shrilly weeping at him, almost as if laughter, going for as long as he played and longer
When he got up and they were left to vibrate until time killed it, the damn noise,
The noise that felt like his thoughts and made them more them when he heard it;
And he was done, forgotten, bitter and dying,
Playing bad music without an audience
In the house of nothing he believed in.
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Gonna title my autobiography 'Walking Through Hell With No Guide' or 'Dante in an Age of no Virgils' but only talk about fun/funny stuff that happened over the years and be super upbeat and happy throughout the whole thing. I'll make sure they know my rise into my pseudo-intellectual kingdom of a weird type of literature I'm going to invent in my 30s was easy and planned very deliberately, right from the start.
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i've braved the slings and arrows for long enough that it would be wasteful not to keep going now. but it sure sucks mighty hard sometimes to pick this path.
i am looking to make changes- to better myself and my living this year. i've always said new years resolutions are arbitrary, and they are in their timing; but if a resolution is followed-through on, then the resolution itself can't be arbitrary, right?
there's an obsession in the human mind with dates and calendars despite our logical sides telling us such emphasis is irrational. i guess i've moved to a point of just embracing the collective delusions because it no longer matters to me what is true versus what is true in more/better senses than other things. and if our love of new years compels the herd toward making up goals for the next run around the imaginary circle, who am i to stay unborged? when in rome...
i'm not sure what my resolution will be yet, but i have resolved to having one, at least, which is either a step up or a step down depending on whether my stance of non-participation was actually correct.. but the exciting thing is that there's movement, folks. 2020 is already 10x last year in its craziness factor with this one. i think falcon was in a temporary messianic state when he made this thread because it's shaping up to being one of cdc's most quality discussions of all time: top minds of cdc just sitting down and writing history in here and ppl don't even realize.
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2 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:
Makes me wonder if Bobby Hull's 118.3 MPH slap shot was true?
The interesting part was Bobby claimed his wrist shot was faster???
yeah... not a lot of things i'd trust from bobby hull
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1 hour ago, Violator said:
what is vancouver gonna do with all its nuclear weapons now?
What is Canada going to do with all of its gracious uranium suppliers around the globe?
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7 minutes ago, 112 said:
when i claimed jester in LOST
reading that game over again my scum game was so bad
how far we've come. i'm not even allowed to say it's bad anymore bros.
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1 hour ago, Master Radishes said:
Top 10 CDC Mafia moments of the decade
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when i claimed jester in LOST
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If Rathbone becomes really good, this team will win a cup.
#clutchcommentary
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12 hours ago, Down by the River said:
He's Elias Pettersson in final form.
We should pray he has a long prime.
Nils Hoglander | #21 | LW
in Current Roster
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did i? i didn't bring up their names and only entered into discussion on them when other people made remarks. this started on someone else's hypothetical that we have a marchand and that it's a good thing.
this is the 21st century, and major sports organizations have a legal and ethical obligation to ensure that their games are played in a manner as safe as possible owing to the obvious restrictions on that that will always be there. and they have,--for reasons that are surprisingly easy to grasp with a basic level of empathy and understanding of the importance of the brain to its individual and their entire network + family,--a major duty to prevent head injuries and fight the long-entrenched cultures that create people like you who think head trauma is lols and giggles and manly-man stuff people need to drink beers to get over. subsequently, as neither you nor myself nor nils hoglander are doctors, nils hoglander, to our best understanding, has both a /professional/ and /moral/ obligation to follow the hockey authority's rules concerning what they consider fair contact regarding head-plays, as these are informed by scientific research and consultations with neuroscientists and medical doctors who have a much better comprehension on these topics and the ethics of such plays within the sport of ice hockey.
'tirade' is exaggeration. i just don't think we have very good opinions in here and that they're kind of dangerous to be waving like flags and get kind of frustrated when anyone utters a different view that they are mocked with base, base emojis.