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louis has the option to null his contract - and then sign with anyone. He is still a serviceable NHL player, albeit on the tail end of a career.
he doesn’t want to do that because of the cash coming to him. Hard to give up millions - cause he will never get another contract even close to what he has now.
so he would rather not play and get paid... than play and get paid less. End of this year he has a bonus? Maybe at that time? Or is it effectively a retirement?
whatever. The fire is gone - he is done. I assume he could be used if the Canucks are rife with injuries... but even then I’m not sure. He has kind of burnt his bridges and may be done even if he wants to play.
As I’ve said before - was worth a shot. If he had light it up with the Sedins and we made a cup run it would have paid off.... it was always supposed to suck at this end of the contract (as it often does for most late 20s FA signing long big contracts)
if we could have gotten him a few years earlier it would have been fun to watch
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OJ shouldn’t have been taken 5th.... this was in JBs first few years here when he was still afflicted with the Canucks drafting curse.
OJ still has a chance - just wait and see. U can’t win em all but maybe we still have a chance to get a decent defense piece out of it.
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Tanev and Edler are going to be injured... just like every other season.
so... of course there will be room on the top 4
and really he is a better option over the next 4 years than either Tanev or Edler.... who are a bit long in the tooth. It would be better to reduce their ice time, get more out of them, and put Tryamkin in a top 4 role.
of course the real question is his performance. If he deserves to be top 4 he will - that is the reality
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15 hours ago, tas said:
for all intents and purposes, the trade was player for player, not player for pick. the trade was made immediately prior to the selection, the canucks knew exactly who they would pick, and the trade wouldn't have happened if horvat had already been taken.
A proven player for an unproven one...
logic.
Why is it it so hard to see?
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16 hours ago, N7Nucks said:
It makes a great deal of difference in analyzing the original trade. Lol. If you bought stock and the value of the company goes up the price of the stock goes up. It wouldn’t stay the same price.
Yes some luck goes into the draft. Less so the earlier in the draft you pick. But it’s not pure luck. Otherwise they wouldn’t spend millions on scouting.
Are you trying to be contrarian to be cool? Or were you a hater of the trade and don’t wanna admit it became a massive win for the team?
Lol I’m not that invested in it. Settle down haha
just pointing out the logic of trading for a pick. Most at 8 make it... but it was a risk. We should have got more at the time but whatever.
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The trade was for a pick.... can’t see how the outcome of the pick makes a difference in analyzing the original trade...
it could have been a player like Jordan Schroeder or Patrick white.
Luck plays a role in making a right pick
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Let’s wait a bit and see... Def EP hasn’t been lighting it up for a while... and he just put on weight - probably too much? Is that effecting him?
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The bottom 6 could be a problem. Most teams have a 3rd line that can score - we are using it to place unreadable players no team would want.... (for their salary).
To really succeed there must be a meritocracy. We will see how the season unfolds... but the first game isn’t looking good for that 3rd line.
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Raptis is the writer of the report
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Well the name might change based on who writes it. haha. But I find this monthly analysis while not perfect is some useful reading imho
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1 hour ago, canucksnihilist said:
Really?
The median age is 26. So not sure where you are getting your facts from. Sutter is 30/31 - and he has slowed down. Dramatically this last year, he is not the same player he was a few years ago.
Well there is this...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/when-nhl-players-peak-hockey-metrics-1.2646054
quite interesting and perhaps this is what you were referring to?
however I would point out that elite players peak in the late 20s.... sutter is not elite. And he is at the twilight of his career.
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3 hours ago, stawns said:
I can't imagine anyone even suggesting that Sutter floats or that he is in the twilight of his career. The teams that win Cups have a core made up of players Sutter's age, not Peteys age.
Really?
The median age is 26. So not sure where you are getting your facts from. Sutter is 30/31 - and he has slowed down. Dramatically this last year, he is not the same player he was a few years ago.
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If there is a meritocracy at camp, Gaudette is in.
Eriksson and Sutter are in the twilight of their careers. Useful vets but I question their drive and motivation.... last year both were floating way too often, and that isn’t the veteran example that they should be sending to the young players. They need a kick in the ass. Send them to Utica and hope that lights a fire under their asses - and hopefully they become what we want: solid vets that set a good example. If they make the team right now it is a negative message
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Anyone who thinks the rules are going to protect players... is delusional.
the players on a team need to accept the instigator, push back, and count on their penalty kill. This is the only recourse as the rules are a joke... teams like Boston realized this a long time ago. The Canucks still don’t. There is no leadership on the team obviously.
the rules are just too lenient to be effective. Give a perpetrator of a head shot 5 games without pay. Then 10, 15, etc. That will hit them in the pocket book. And it will stop. Donate their salary to a charity for the time they are put.
the nhl is hurting themselves by not fixing this - people want to see talent. When there are so many concussions it hurts the game and their bottom line. Of all teams.
Or u subscribe to the gladiator approach. That it isn’t talent alone we want to see but a spectacle - that a display of talent or fighting or hits or goals or speed is what we want. And u may be right....
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12 minutes ago, stawns said:
out of curiosity, who do you feel is a great 3rd line player in the league?
Malholtra before his eye injury was all you could hope for from a 3rd linenplayer
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2 hours ago, Chickenspear said:
no crunch whatsoever.We're $1.7m over the cap right now, but we have to send down 3 players off the main roster to get to 23. 825k is the lowest figure, so that's at least $2.4m+ off our cap hit. Didn't include Roussel's LTIR relief if we somehow need it.
Well we were until Boeser signed for a reasonable amount!
i stand corrected!
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Great contract!
the Canucks are in a cap crunch now - this is the best option for them. The cap hit is reasonable as well
long term they might lose a bit of cap space.... but it is still fair
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16 hours ago, HomeBrew said:
I can't really picture BB6's agent turning to him and saying "this seems like a fair deal"... and Brock saying "no, I want more." But, sure. He could be for all we know.
Well what really happens is that the agent advises the player to cash in. That this might be the last contract you ever get. Injuries happen and forced retirement happens. It’s a dangerous game with no guarantees.
so to think that the agent and Brock are not working lock-step is a mistake.
and now lots of RFAs are signing large deals. The Canucks have overspent in support, and this is only the first contract problem the team faces - what is it? Another 3 huge contract problems in the next few years? Maybe not but probably.... every core piece is going to want 8-10 million at least
It is obvious the team didn’t expect the core to want large contracts in RFA. The salary structure isn’t geared around that. They were supposed to wait another 3/4 years.... I think the team has to adjust on the fly now, which is hard to do with contracts. Overpaying for support means that everyone expects to be overpaid.... It’s a tough situation.
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On 9/15/2019 at 12:24 AM, Grape said:
Boeser is an RFA, he doesn't have as much leverage.
RFA's generally always get paid less than UFA's
Well as bob dylan said: the times they are a changin. If u haven’t noticed RFAs are getting paid like UFAs now... that is definitely the trend.
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So tell me this: playing devils advocate....
If Meyers is 6 m per season, how is Boeser only worth 7?
beagle gets a sweet deal - 3m. Sutter is 4.5.... LE is 6m
seems like Boeser should be in the 9-10 m range or more based on the value of those other players and what they bring to the table.
so... have we spent on the support and now can’t sign the core? This impass is a really bad sign imho
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4 hours ago, Dr. Crossbar said:
Boeser should take the $7 mill per 6 years. If he needs extra money, Benning can get him a gig delivering Common Ground magazine to apartments in the West End.
Don’t you mean driving one of those forklifts?
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If 7m isn’t good enough for him then let him sit
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Don’t hate him for cashing in.
a contract that pays you 6 million a season from age 31 to 37 is just stupid. But if someone is stupid enough to give it to you.... you yourself would be stupid not to accept it.
the whole thing is stupid. Did I mention that?
it seemed good at the time. It was potentially an Olympic level top line. A last chance to take a run with some of the old core. If it had succeeded it would have been great. It was always supposed to suck now 4 years in....
h can’t blame JB for taking a risk. Proven 30 goal scorer but a bit old... but seems to still score....
i liked this signing way better than I did Sutter and then Beagle. At least LE had a history of putting up some serious points....
i think he should be sent to Utica based on the competition in camp. He isn’t good enough anymore. But he used to be! He is just old for a hockey player now
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Canucks are not ready for this game. Not sure if it is reasonable to expect them to be ready....
this is a tough opponent. The team has to elevate their game again - if they can! A lot of teams take years to be able to play playoff winning hockey consistently.
u don’t seriously think this team will win 12 straight cups do u? They can win a few during that span - with a lot of work and learning and player acquisition.
there is so much to learn. This team isn’t used to taking a pounding. They don’t have the size. They need to win by taking hits and making plays.... take the punishment and win anyways