Tom Sestito
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The drafting under Benning from 2007-2013 was equally as bad as Boston's drafting was after he left.
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17 minutes ago, vancan2233 said:
Better overall talent around him, he will keep pace or better.
Arizona finished ahead of Vancouver
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1 minute ago, Top Sven Baercheese said:
whos that
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1 minute ago, stawns said:
Nope on the worth, not even close, imo. He is, essentially, a scoring winger who has had one excellent year and levelled off. Teams have started to figure out how to stop him and have been pretty effective at it.
Signing him to that kind of money kills any chance the team has at truly contending.
On a serious note, you are dead wrong.
If you changed Pettersson to Hughes and used this phrasing, I would agree with you.
But EP is a superstar who dominates the game when he’s on the ice on both ends.
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7 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
They should be. After the buyouts, garland, oel, needing a new back up, another rhd and possibly still a bottom 6 body with Highest etc needing extensions that could be a serious issue.
I'd be willing to bet a number of GMs are doing the math on that right now and rightfully so. A good GM will look at their options and Petey could be a coup for any of them
Stop being negative
Petey is loyal and will stay
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3 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:
TBH, I think "far lower" is wishful thinking.
Makar just got 9 million AAV from the Avs.....I'd expect Quinn's number to be around 7.5 - 8, unless (as reported) JB can convince him to take a bridge deal, in the 5 or 6 range....
I would bet you they go to a 2-3 year deal in the 6 range. That’s what I would pay him, at least. If you pay him more, you’d be banking on some hope that he improves defensively to be passable. He isn’t there yet. I wouldn’t want to risk that bet.
I would do 8 years on Pettersson if we had the capspace.
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Just now, DeNiro said:
Four years ago is when Tocchet took over from Tippett.
Read between the lines and you’ll see it was a coaching issue.
He’s not too different from Tortorella in terms of how he handles his players. I could see them clashing pretty good. There’s a reason why Tocchets out of a job too.I’m not disputing any of that.
My point is it wasn’t a guarantee that Edler had a renaissance post-torts and turned into this fantastic defensive player rather than the primarily offense guy he was before.
Now with OEL, you’re banking on that Edler-like renaissance and you basically need it to happen because of the contract that is attached to it.
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3 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:
I guess when his standard for himself had become 20+ goals, those two 14 goal seasons, the 12 goal season and the 9 goal season are seen as pretty poor. He was on pace for 40+ points in each of the last 5 seasons. Including like I said multiple 10+ goal seasons. Was he great? No. Was he bad? Not really, could argue last year he was pretty bad. But I think most of his struggles came from not connecting with the coach and being on a team that never seemed to improve.
Points aren’t what I judge a defenseman by.
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2 minutes ago, appleboy said:
We will all keep our fingers crossed.
I think Hughes is going to want to get paid. If this guy is getting 8.25 then Hughes is worth 9 mil.
We can’t be going relative to a bad contract.
Hughes isn’t at the level of Heiskanen and Makar because of his defensive play compared to those guys. Hughes should slot in far lower.
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Just now, appleboy said:
He also said he is trying to improve his conditioning. The Sedins conditioning has been elite since their mid twenties. That is how they played until 35.
Trying to improve your conditioning at 30 is a bit late.
Edler played his best hockey from 2014-2020. There’s precedent here if he can adjust his game and have a second prime. It’s unlikely but a definite possibility.
I am going to reserve most of my judgement on how he performs on this team until game 82.
I do think there’s basically no level he can perform at where people wouldn’t call him a top four D as we’ve seen with Myers.
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Just now, Ghostsof1915 said:
To be fair he did mention, he's glad for a new start and to be happy playing again. Playing in the desert when your team is a revolving door of talent might have a deep effect on your morale.
Sure, I’ve never debated that his morale was shot. That has always been clear. My point is it has been so long since he played at a truly high level - and he himself admitted that. I’m hopeful but not optimistic about him returning to form.
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Just now, 204CanucksFan said:
Yeah and that coincides exactly with when Tocchet took over as head coach in Arizona. OEL and Tocchet really didn't get along to the point of taking veiled shots at each other in the media, which is exactly how I read this comment. This is why I think he is a prime candidate to have a strong bounce back season with a change of scenery.
Yeah, I don’t doubt some level of improvement because of the coaching change but there have been some insane denials of how bad OEL has been for the last few years.
They need him to perform like an elite top four D. If they do, and his contract becomes only a slight overpayment, the trade becomes a win.
If he performs near the level he has under Tocchet, we are &^@#ed.
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Feels like people weren’t happy when I said OEL hasn’t been good for five years - he himself said he’s struggled for the last four years.
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1 minute ago, oldnews said:
Chychrun was Arizona's top powerplay minutes D.
Might want to do your homework.
You're also making an assumption that a player - whose principal partner 5on5 had 2 point this season (Lyubushkin) - is going to see his 5on5 production drop.
OEL's secondary 5on5 partner was Demers - who had 4 points. The Canucks also have considerably more scoring threat in their forward group (and added Arizona's 3rd leading scorer).
What will happen to OEL's production if the Canucks opt for a 2D 3F top powerplay unit?
That story about OEL being a third pairing D that can't be deployed in 'hard matchups'....is hero-chart quality material wadr.
I’m 100% aware that Chychrun was the first PP guy.
But the canucks heavily lean on the first unit to the point of Hughes/EP often sitting out for a full two minutes. His PP time is going to go down from his career averages.
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2 minutes ago, Me_ said:
Add the times when you just… have Hughes and OEL on the ice at the same time…
Insanity for the opposition.
This is an excellent acquisition.
They play the same side.
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3 minutes ago, DeNiro said:
We gained 5 mil in cap, gained a top 4 defender, and a top 6 forward.
OELs deal is no riskier than the deal Jones and Hamilton will get.
Whats not to like?
Agree on Jones. Do not agree at all on Hamilton.
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2 hours ago, vancan2233 said:
Nope, has not, complete lie. Look up the stats. He has been putting up the same number for the last 6 years.
2014-15 Arizona Coyotes NHL 82 23 20 43 40 -18 -- -- -- -- -- 2015-16 Arizona Coyotes NHL 75 21 34 55 96 -6 -- -- -- -- -- 2016-17 Arizona Coyotes NHL 79 12 27 39 48 -25 -- -- -- -- -- 2017-18 Arizona Coyotes NHL 82 14 28 42 44 -28 -- -- -- -- -- 2018-19 Arizona Coyotes NHL 81 14 30 44 52 -16 -- -- -- -- -- 2019-20 Arizona Coyotes NHL 66 9 21 30 38 -3 9 1 3 4 8 2020-21 Arizona Coyotes NHL 46 3 21 24 40+ point D man, and is going to continue that for another 3+ years. Arizona did not have(or ever had during OEL time) the top end players Vancouver has. You will see him get back to the 50 point mark for the next couple years in Van.
He’s a twenty point at even strength D.
Hughes is the first PP guy. OEL PP production will fall.
If he gets deployed in hard matchups like Benning suggests he will, his production will fall at ES as well.
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1 minute ago, Michael P said:
There is nothing that says that OEL is over the hill compairing to me he`s a young man.
He’s 30 and his play has fallen off a cliff for not one or two years - like four or five years.
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Just now, N7Nucks said:
OEL played 20 minutes a game last year. Don't bother responding to the lunacy about OEL not being a top 4 d-man.
Do you think everyone who plays X amount of minutes are capable of playing that much?
Did you think Markus Granlund was a 1st line forward?
How about Travis Hamonic as a top pairing defender last year?
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40 minutes ago, oldnews said:
Yawn x 2.
Clearly you're desperate for attention, engagement - so here's all you're gonna get.
The reason you're not getting a response - is because you're playing the typical straw game - er "you hate Subban" - why defend OEL? yawn
Save the weak bait for someone interested in pointless prattle that goes nowhere.
You're clearly all wound up - in a pissy, self-induced crap-goggles mood.
Again - here you are - with a smarmy one-liner reduction of OEL into:
1) bottom pairing (LOL btw)
2) soft
3) slow
4) 'bleeds goals against'
5) drivel about "qoc" that you know literally nothing about.
All in one sentence. Well done. Solid take.
Reminds me of when you blew a head gasket over the Motte deal and called me a 'schill' - because I knew and liked the player.
Carry on Tom. That's about all the time I have to waste on you/this.
Hey, no explanation still. Just more deflects.
One of us also admits when they’re wrong - Like I did on Motte (also the only thing I’ve been wrong about which is why you’re going back to it even though I admitted I was wrong on it)
The other one just keeps on going.
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29 minutes ago, Metal Face Doom said:
When you spew this kind of stuff, "OEL is a #5 D," it's hard to take you seriously.
Again, if player X plays the fifth most difficult competition and third most time on ice (all of this at ES) and bleeds goals while doing it, how is that anything other than a #5D?
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4 minutes ago, EddieVedder said:
Isnt Chakya a goner?
Yes. Should have never had a job in the first place.
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2 minutes ago, .Naslund said:
He plays great when he's on Sweden with actual NHL players and not muddling his career away in Arizona where there's no fans, and no passion for hockey. He's probably pumped to play with some fellow countrymen and play some meaningful hockey for the first time in his NHL career. You can crunch numbers as much as you want but hockey players and humans in general are emotional beings. He could've been burnt out in Arizona for sure. Look at James Harden situation in Houston at the beginning of the year
OEL is the Kevin Love of the NHL. Washed up guy making superstar money on an awful contract with term remaining.
Also not the first time in his career. The Coyotes have made it further in the playoffs than we have since we made it to the finals. Both teams have been mediocre for a decade now basically.
Maybe the effort level picks up. I would hope it does.
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Just now, Elias Pettersson said:
Right. Cause analytics got Arizona to become a bottom feeder. Where’s John Chayka? He must be working in secret with Ron Francis.
Chayka is seen as a moron by the analytics community. This is a weird straw man that you’re using to deflect because you can’t accept the fact that OEL isn’t a top pairing D anymore.
This isn’t even some sort of advanced analytic. If you play against a team’s 4th line, you will have a low QOC. This isn’t rocket science.
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Cherrypicking Boston's drafting from 2015-Present
in General Hockey Discussion
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Check again. Boston has been terrible drafting for the last 15 years - Benning or no Benning.