Wetcoaster Posted November 23, 2012 Author Share Posted November 23, 2012 Because it was two years ago and he was running for office in Quebec not Alberta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Your claim was the Conservatives did not learn and were continuing stimulus spending - you were incorrect. No one claimed Canada dodged the worldwide recession - just that we weathered it better and came out of it earlier than other major industrialized nations. Might there be another crisis coming down the road? Quite possibly but again that is more attributable to non-domestic factors for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 23, 2012 Author Share Posted November 23, 2012 Since they took power the conservatives have upped the federal expenditures from about 200 billion to 280 billion. A 8 billion dollar haircut while welcome only takes a small peice out of the massive increases since 2008 where that 80 billion extra a year (40% increase!!!) was put in. There's a reason we weathered it and it's going to bite us in the *** soon enough. The conservatives will do their best to blame it on world events out of their control (they are already pre-fretting about the fiscal cliff getting the excuse warmed up) but it was them that saw Canadians turn their homes into ATMs and borrow their brains out and not only did they not curtail it they promoted and facilitated the idea so that now personal debt levels relative to incomes are at their highest level EVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Trudeau is appealing because he has not had to deal with the hard questions yet. His resume is underwhelming. If Trudeau's performance in the last few days when the heat is being turned up is any indication then the Conservatives are likely to send him down the same road to oblivion they dispatched Dion and Ignatieff. Chretien's majorities were the beneficiary of the Mulroney meltdown and the PC/Reform split more than any other factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Since they took power the conservatives have upped the federal expenditures from about 200 billion to 280 billion. A 8 billion dollar haircut while welcome only takes a small peice out of the massive increases since 2008 where that 80 billion extra a year (40% increase!!!) was put in. There's a reason we weathered it and it's going to bite us in the *** soon enough. The conservatives will do their best to blame it on world events out of their control (they are already pre-fretting about the fiscal cliff getting the excuse warmed up) but it was them that saw Canadians turn their homes into ATMs and borrow their brains out and not only did they not curtail it they promoted and facilitated the idea so that now personal debt levels relative to incomes are at their highest level EVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 And yet numerous international experts have heaped praise on the Harper government's economic performance and point out that we have coped better than any other major industrialized economy. It is easy to do well in good times, the test is how you handle the tough times and that can only be assessed in reference to other countries. It is like the old story when you are running from the bear you only have to be faster than the other guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 On the other hand, Liberals are quick to praise Chretien and Martins for budget surpluses caused by a massive boom in the US and an economy primarily focused on a very low Canadian dollar sending stuff South. Private debt is a personal matter, as government cannot control their spending. It's a fact that most Canadian (1st world countries) tend to spend into debt buying frivolous stuff like new electronics, clothing, cars, etc.... all stuff with depreciating values. It's not like people are going into debt because they're maxing their credit cards buying bread and water to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Oh yes they can. Ask any real estate agent what they think about the recent changes to mortgage rules and how it's affecting their business (never mind it was Flaherty an co. that previously relaxed them at one time allowing for 40 year mortgages). Oh, and the same deal is true with people financing things through HELOCS that they insured through CMHC (which created a moral hazard ergo the non stop ads to get a home equity line of credit on the radio). At the same time as they were borrowing their brains out they set the rules for Canadians to do the same to easy breasy and no surprise people dove in en masse. Their policies for public lending have matched their own. A massive ramp up followed by a small cut back back leaving themselves vulnerable to external shocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Mortgages are a bit different from regular household debts. Plus, people were still buying houses when rates were over 20%. Not saying low rates aren't causing a housing bubble, but that's a different topic. It's stuff like credit cards and lines of credits that are the issues here. Both consumers and governments are stuck in the mentality that you gotta spend to create wealth, when the truth is it should be savings. Going off into a tangent now... my original post was just pointing out how many will say Harper shouldn't be using the macroeconomic factors as an excuse, yet at the same time praise the Liberals when they benefited from macroeconomic situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterlingArcher Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Trudeau is running for leadership and Alberta voters will neither decide the leadership race NOR the next Federal Election .. many folks in Eastern Canada will drink that anti-Alberta kool-aid, and having the tar sand development as your national priority ala Harper is not real popular .. Consider Justin talking to his base .. when the Conservatives took over, the Liberals were running a surplus .. just saying .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Yet Alberta is flooded with these same Eastern Canada folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterlingArcher Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Consider the 206,000 people who migrated from Ontario to Alberta. If we assume that roughly 50,000 of these would be children not of working age, that means some 150,000 adults left Ontario because they were without work (or at very least, had a better opportunity in Alberta). If those 150,000 job seekers had stayed put in Ontario, the overall unemployment rate in that province would be 9.7%—much higher than the 7.6% reported in February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble Rodent Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 At the time he had already been elected (2008) in one of the safer Liberal seats in Quebec in the riding of Papineau - in the last 60 years it has been a Liberal stronghold for all but 2 years when the BQ had a short run there in 2006-08. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Because it was two years ago and he was running for office in Quebec not Alberta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 True, however he was still up for reelection. I'm not saying he should have said it, but it was obviously a bit of politicking and nothing more. You can find similarly stupid quotes from pretty much every politician ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble Rodent Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 There was no election going on at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 At the time, the Tories already chased Paul Martin out of 24 Sussex and Stephane Dion from his LPC leadership spot. Giving them fuel to use for a political ad is simply stupendous, especially when party folks were calling for Trudeau to step up to the leadership spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 As to the claims the Conservatives are scared of Justin Trudeau, why would they be based on his resume and performance thus far. But that does not mean that you do not take advantage of his perceived weaknesses to bury him early. Nothing about being scared - it is just politics as usual with politics being a blood sport. It looks like a coronation for Justin much like happened with Ignatieff's acclamation so start early and hit hard. The Conservatives have used this tactic effectively with Dion and Ignatieff and the Liberals did the same with Harper painting him as a wild-eyed right winger based on decades old quotes. In fact the Conservatives featured Justin Trudeau in ads attacking Ignatieff in which comments from his pre-MP days were used. Trudeau had endorsed Gerard Kennedy and was particularly critical of the front-runner. "Ignatieff, he's a little all over the place sometimes," Trudeau says in the spot, in a clip drawn from a 2006 TV interview. "He says this, he says that - he contradicts himself." Trudeau then delivers this little parting shot: "For me, he's not someone with... maybe he has the intelligence, but maybe not the wisdom required." And the parting shot... The ad's narrator ends the spot by asking viewers: "Liberals themselves doubt (Ignatieff's) judgment. How can we trust him?" And earlier Ignatieff's comments were used to attack Stephane Dion in Conservative ads showing Ignatieff, from the Liberal leadership race, criticizing Stephane Dion's environmental record, saying: "Stephane, we didn't get it done." And before the last election even started we had a series of Conservative ads with anti-Ignatieff messaging such as “Ignatieff and his ruthless coalition,” said one ad, claiming the Liberal leader supported a coalition with the NDP and Bloc Québécois once — and will do it again. And the thematic ads attacking Ignatieff on his US ties "He did not come back for you" that used old quotes to great effect. And: Nothing new here - just the Conservatives using a strategy that has proved effective in the past and one also used by other parties. Even the Libertarian party got in on the fun. And should in the unlikely event that Marc Garneau should win the Liberal leadership perhaps we should expect this sort of attack ad from the Conservatives... Marc Garneau: He didn't come back for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 They're probably scared because he can already beat Harper without having to build up a resume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 They're probably scared because he can already beat Harper without having to build up a resume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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