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#31 Carpe Diem

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 04:46 PM

Theoretically, that works! In practice, prices will be rounded up.


that i am less worried about. The government will just legislate a fair rounding system into law, so if u see ur cash register say at $2.52 you know u are only suppose to pay $2.50.

of course ur shop can rig the price so that it always rounds up, altho that is easily identifiable (for instance u notice ur coffee's price is $2.02 or $3.47) and you would realize this and visit the one across the street instead (if that bothers you).

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 04:48 PM

that i am less worried about. The government will just legislate a fair rounding system into law, so if u see ur cash register say at $2.52 you know u are only suppose to pay $2.50.

of course ur shop can rig the price so that it always rounds up, altho that is easily identifiable (for instance u notice ur coffee's price is $2.02 or $3.47) and you would realize this and visit the one across the street instead (if that bothers you).


Or make life easier and show the after-tax price on all products.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 05:27 PM

we all know of the austerity measure's being handed down in countries like greece and italy , and the factors that are driving these measures , ['still blows me away the greeks do not have to pay taxes and they are complaining about their lot } . but when countries that economists describe as " cash countries" , canada , australia , hong kong , singapore , that are supposedly some of the few countries that are are running in the black , are starting to implement these measure's as well . i will let you draw your own conclusions

HERE COMES OUR crapTY FUTURE !

Edited by puckinloveicehockey, 29 March 2012 - 06:12 PM.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 05:29 PM

With RRSPs and pension you wouldn't be getting it anyways.

Even if someone is only 55 they still have time to squirrel some money away. There really needs to be more financial education of the public.


What I meant to say is, if for some reason I lose my job and stop contributing to pensions and RRSP's, I may need to rely on OAS. Not too likely, but theoretically it could happen.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 05:30 PM

that i am less worried about. The government will just legislate a fair rounding system into law, so if u see ur cash register say at $2.52 you know u are only suppose to pay $2.50.

of course ur shop can rig the price so that it always rounds up, altho that is easily identifiable (for instance u notice ur coffee's price is $2.02 or $3.47) and you would realize this and visit the one across the street instead (if that bothers you).


Perhaps I am just a pessimist, but do you really think business will round costs down? Highly unlikely. In the end, this will end up costing us more. 'Count' on it... lol
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 05:33 PM

Or make life easier and show the after-tax price on all products.


which is what we do here in australia . probably one of the few instances of our "leaders" making our lives easier for us.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 05:55 PM

we all know of the austerity measure's being handed down in countries like greece and italy , and the factors that are driving these measures , ['still blows me away the greeks do not have to pay taxes and they are complaining about their lot } . but when countries that economists describe as " cash countries" , canada , australia , hong kong , singapore , that are supposedly some of the few countries that are are running in the black , are starting to implement these measure's as well . i will let you draw your own conclusions


Do you understand the meaning of "in the black"?
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:31 PM

If BC government doesn't give enviromental approval for a pipeline or any of the related infrastructure (and we have our own tough enviromental regulations) then there will be no new construction. Over reaction......


It's not about giving or not giving approval, it's about the process to know what the frack you're doing. By cutting the process off at the knees, you don't actually have sound information to approve or not approve anything. This is just short sighted, short term thinking to allow for as much development as fast as possible.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:50 PM

Do you understand the meaning of "in the black"?

in the context i was using it in , i.e countries running their economies with either a deficit , or a surplus , i have alway's undertood it to mean that they are running a surplus , and not just countries but businesses and individuals as well . to be running a business or a country in the red , means to be running at a loss
and beyond that from the reading i have done on the subject , i gather that canada is like australia in the sense that is deriving great wealth from selling off it's natural resource's , where that wealth ends up is another question again, i do not have enough information on the subject to comment on this situation as it pertains to canada , but in the case of my own country i can tell you that it ends up in the hands of a few greedy people , clive palmer , andrew forrest , and gina rhinehart , amongst others , who are buying media outlets in order to threaten , cajole and try to generally convince australians of the fact that this is the natural order things and we should stfu and be greatfull.
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Edited by puckinloveicehockey, 29 March 2012 - 07:00 PM.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:54 PM

Start cutting Quebec entitlements, Native handouts and dinosaurs like the CBC and you begin getting into real savings.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 07:03 PM

Start cutting Quebec entitlements, Native handouts and dinosaurs like the CBC and you begin getting into real savings.


We will have another sovereignty referendum on our hands.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 08:14 PM

oops...

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 08:15 PM

1 billion cut to spending? Is that including the multi-billion jet purchase?

Penny gone = good.

CBC--what does 10% equal?


115 million.http://www.friends.ca/files/html/12mar29-budget.html
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 09:16 PM

This is the biggest spending government in Canadian history. Like I said, Greece, here we come!


Can't disagree with you. Take the 19,200 civil servant cuts. That is only 5% of the civil service and it is over 3 years. The amount of severance probably will cost more than the money saved.

Worse, it was the Tories who added 40,000+ government jobs since they came to power in 2006.

Edited by DonLever, 29 March 2012 - 09:18 PM.


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Posted 29 March 2012 - 09:29 PM

we all know of the austerity measure's being handed down in countries like greece and italy , and the factors that are driving these measures , ['still blows me away the greeks do not have to pay taxes and they are complaining about their lot } . but when countries that economists describe as " cash countries" , canada , australia , hong kong , singapore , that are supposedly some of the few countries that are are running in the black , are starting to implement these measure's as well . i will let you draw your own conclusions

HERE COMES OUR crapTY FUTURE !


It's an old political saying "never waste a good crisis". No matter what the state of our affairs are the goverment of the day will use it to ram down our throats cuts that have more to do with idiology then need - all the while hiding behind the "in these tough economic times" mantra.

If we are truly in tough economic times then the first thing that should have been cut was recent tax breaks to businuess. This has more to do with ensuring others take cuts so "in these tough economic times" we can protect the wealth of others.

I have to wonder why instead of taking away a good paying family supporting wage for 20 thousand canadian families they didn't reduce their stealth fighter jet order by a few?

Also sending mixed messages is the increase in duty free amounts. Why would we want even more money spent out of country? I try to support local stores and in particular local manufacturers where ever possible. How many jobs will be lost with the increase? This one sends a mixed message for sure about loyality to Canada businuess by this goverment.

And lastly the penny - brilliant move by Harper to throw this in to have folks talking about this more then the budget itself lol. And you bet things will be rounded up - we kinda got hit with a tax increase today without even knowing it lol
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 10:10 PM

It's an old political saying "never waste a good crisis". No matter what the state of our affairs are the goverment of the day will use it to ram down our throats cuts that have more to do with idiology then need - all the while hiding behind the "in these tough economic times" mantra.

If we are truly in tough economic times then the first thing that should have been cut was recent tax breaks to businuess. This has more to do with ensuring others take cuts so "in these tough economic times" we can protect the wealth of others.

I have to wonder why instead of taking away a good paying family supporting wage for 20 thousand canadian families they didn't reduce their stealth fighter jet order by a few?

Also sending mixed messages is the increase in duty free amounts. Why would we want even more money spent out of country? I try to support local stores and in particular local manufacturers where ever possible. How many jobs will be lost with the increase? This one sends a mixed message for sure about loyality to Canada businuess by this goverment.

And lastly the penny - brilliant move by Harper to throw this in to have folks talking about this more then the budget itself lol. And you bet things will be rounded up - we kinda got hit with a tax increase today without even knowing it lol


i have already quoted his speech on these forums before , plug Mario Savio into your search engine , sproul hall sit in address, and listen to the speech he delivers .i think you will appeciate it especially the last part which to me is really pertinent in relation to the topic we are talking about , but you could say that about the whole speech i suppose . mario was one of the leaders of the student riots at berkeley university in the late 1960's , when the national guard fired into an unarmed crowd .

Edited by puckinloveicehockey, 29 March 2012 - 10:27 PM.

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That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons that history has to teach.

Aldous Huxley.


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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:26 PM

We will have another sovereignty referendum on our hands.

is that really a bad thing? unless theres some issue im not aware of i wouldnt mind seeing those bastards leave

as long as we keep the quebec born hockey players on team canada of course

Edited by Hamhuis Hip Check, 29 March 2012 - 11:26 PM.


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Posted 30 March 2012 - 06:04 AM

This is the biggest spending government in Canadian history. Like I said, Greece, here we come!


Like highest percentage compared to GDP or biggest number period?

If it's the former sure, if it's the latter than one would expect the number to get bigger with inflation and population growth.

But even if it's the former you can't just hack and slash without risking putting the economy into a negative reinforcement cycle.

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 06:11 AM

It's not about giving or not giving approval, it's about the process to know what the frack you're doing. By cutting the process off at the knees, you don't actually have sound information to approve or not approve anything. This is just short sighted, short term thinking to allow for as much development as fast as possible.


Total BS.

Many, many projects will end up requiring both federal and provincial enviromental approval. Here in BC (and no doubt other provinces) often the provincial standard is more rigourous than the federal one. In this situation what the feds are doing is eliminating the duplicate (less stringent) requirement. It's a simple beaurocracy reduction. The stronger enviromental regulation remain. Not certain but I think the provincial government is at least considering doing the same when the reverse applies (fed is more stringent than the provincial one.).

It will speed up developement by reducing costs and beaurocracy. It will not reduce the standard of enviromental protection.

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 07:23 AM

Total BS.

Many, many projects will end up requiring both federal and provincial enviromental approval. Here in BC (and no doubt other provinces) often the provincial standard is more rigourous than the federal one. In this situation what the feds are doing is eliminating the duplicate (less stringent) requirement. It's a simple beaurocracy reduction. The stronger enviromental regulation remain. Not certain but I think the provincial government is at least considering doing the same when the reverse applies (fed is more stringent than the provincial one.).

It will speed up developement by reducing costs and beaurocracy. It will not reduce the standard of enviromental protection.


I guess we'll wait and see...Colour me skeptical.




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