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#1 gradin123

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 01:57 AM

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Just read Tony Gallagher's follwing article in the Province this morning,
http://www.theprovin...l#ixzz1sqsjgdft

In it is says this,

"And practically speaking, exchanging Samme Pahlsson for Cody Hodgson in a lineup already having trouble scoring? That was something Mike Gillis got talked into by his staff but the buck stops with him."

Really Tony? And how would you know that? In reality, this is Gillis realizing now that the Hodgson trade sucked and blaming his scouts and getting Tony to write about it in the paper.

Remember Tony was also the one who leaked the info about Hodsgon demanding more icetime.

Gallagher obviously is a complete shill for Mike Gillis.

Edited by gradin123, 23 April 2012 - 02:26 AM.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 01:58 AM

Btw, based on all the criticism Tony has wrote about AV this year I think it is clear Gillis is going to let AV go.

Gallagher's latest on AV from the same above article.

"There are people in this town who won't hear a negative word about Vigneault. None of it could be his doing they argue because he got them to the Stanley Cup final last year and therefore is beyond reproach. But how can you bring him back after this? How long can you cling to this narrative in the light of some of the comments after the game is a mystery."

Edited by gradin123, 23 April 2012 - 02:02 AM.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 01:59 AM

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:05 AM

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AV is a fine coach in the regular season, but fails to adapt in a series of games where the opposing coach can come up with a counter attack. But AV is not the only one to be blamed. Gillis himself for making some questionable trades (Hodgson) should be blamed. Certain key players just not performing as well as they should, or decided to do things their way by not passing the puck, must also be blamed.

"If anyone calls this organization from Florida in the future, the staff should be instructed to hang up."

I agree. Stop picking up trash from Florida please.

Edited by js604, 23 April 2012 - 02:05 AM.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:10 AM

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Newell Brown can't get the powerplay to work = Fail

Rick Bowness can't get the D pairings right and they continue to meltdown = Fail

AV mixes lines and can't get the team to produce offensively = Fail

I don't see how any of the coaching staff survives this, except for maybe Rollie Melanson.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:20 AM

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WOW thanks MG. You trade a real star in the NHL for 2 scratches. THANKS!!! Oh ya Thanks again for another presidents trophy. I just love these piling up. If your goal is to have a great regular season team , full points to you!
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:26 AM

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You can't put this on Gillis.

Was he the one playing out there? No.

How many of our payers actually showed up for any of the games?

Burrows - 1 goal, Kesler - 0 goals, Booth - 0 goals, Raymond - 0 goals, Higgins -0 goals, Hansen - 1 goal, Pahlsson - 1 goal.

We had no offence other than a couple of players. And our D couldn't even get the puck out of our zone.

Hodgson would not have made the any difference in this series.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:29 AM

You can't put this on Gillis.

Was he the one playing out there? No.

How many of our payers actually showed up for any of the games?

Burrows - 1 goal, Kesler - 0 goals, Booth - 0 goals, Raymond - 0 goals, Higgins -0 goals, Hansen - 1 goal, Pahlsson - 1 goal.

We had no offence other than a couple of players. And our D couldn't even get the puck out of our zone.

Hodgson would not have made the any difference in this series.


That is not what this topic is about. This topic is about the fact Mike Gillis knows he is getting heat about the trade and is trying indirectly through Tony Gallagher to pass the blame onto his scouts.

Edited by gradin123, 23 April 2012 - 02:29 AM.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:37 AM

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That is not what this topic is about. This topic is about the fact Mike Gillis knows he is getting heat about the trade and is trying indirectly through Tony Gallagher to pass the blame onto his scouts.


OR... that is just your biased interpretation of what is going on. There is nothing factual about it, but nice try.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:38 AM

That is not what this topic is about. This topic is about the fact Mike Gillis knows he is getting heat about the trade and is trying indirectly through Tony Gallagher to pass the blame onto his scouts.


I was responding to people saying that Gillis was to blame for us losing this series.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:41 AM

OR... that is just your biased interpretation of what is going on. There is nothing factual about it, but nice try.


How does Tony know Gillis was talked into the trade by his staff?
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:43 AM

MG should fire AV and get a coach in here who is more willing to work with our young talent and actually let them play. Enough with hindering the development of our young players. I know we're built like the Detroit model, but I find it frustrating drafting players we never see (if at all) until years down the road, even if they have the talent to step in sooner. It sure would be nice to do what Philly did and re-tool this team with the assets we have and acquire some top franchise type youth. This team is getting old and we need to transition this team now onto a post Sedin era path before it's too late to get anything for the assets we have. Let's get some young guns like Philadelphia did. It worked for them quite well and with no drop-off in team performance. The truth of the matter is we have to give up assets to get assets and they won't be easy decisions but MG needs to be more bold like Holmgren and rework this roster. It needs attention.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:44 AM

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You can't put this on Gillis.

Was he the one playing out there? No.

How many of our payers actually showed up for any of the games?

Burrows - 1 goal, Kesler - 0 goals, Booth - 0 goals, Raymond - 0 goals, Higgins -0 goals, Hansen - 1 goal, Pahlsson - 1 goal.

We had no offence other than a couple of players. And our D couldn't even get the puck out of our zone.

Hodgson would not have made the any difference in this series.

In a series where we lacked secondary scoring I think Hodgson would have made a difference.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:44 AM

gradin123 you're real rich. Get a life!
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:46 AM

gradin123 you're real rich. Get a life!


Maybe. But I'm right about Gallagher. Gallagher has always had close ties to player agents and thus his friendship with Gillis.

A lot of Gallagher's articles are based on info leaked from Gillis. According to Gallagher, Gillis has done almost no wrong and AV has done no right.

Watch AV get fired. It will happen.

Edited by gradin123, 23 April 2012 - 02:49 AM.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:52 AM

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In a series where we lacked secondary scoring I think Hodgson would have made a difference.


I forgot wonder boy Hodgson, who had 1 point in the playoffs, would have solved all of our problems. Hodgson did not have the speed or grit to be able to outmuscle the Kings D. If guys like Burrows, Kesler, and Higgins couldn't do it, Hodgson wouldn't either.

Our problems ran deeper than having a third line center. If we're struggling for 2/3 of a game to get the puck out of our zone, we're probably not going to win.

I hate to say it, but I'm glad we weren't able to squeak past the Kings. Clearly there's deeper problems on this team that need to be adressed. This team was too good to struggle against a team like the Kings. If they couldn't beat them, they definitely weren't gonna beat the Preds or Blues, who have better goaltending and more offence.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:05 AM

I say if we can get the 2nd pick in this year's draft, DO IT! We need an infusion of this type of top end youth. If the only way to do it is to trade Schneider to Columbus then so be it. We'll get back more than we'll ever be giving up. After seeing how Schneider handled himself in these playoffs, Columbus has probably made it top priority to get him and I believe they will pay MG's price and then some! We could hit a home run here and should. It'd be nice to get Johansen from them as well. If I were MG, I'd really try to get their 1st rounder for next year as well. It could turn into a significant player for us. At any rate, Gillis has used up the luxury of standing pat and only adding smaller pieces to the mix every year. That plan is tiresome. He is in the unenviable position of having to do something significant. He can't hide any more from making serious changes. He must re-establish trust with the public especially after how he handled the Hodgson trade. He needs to look at new ways of making this team competitive and it might involve some major changes that (hopefully) will make us all forget his previous mistakes. He has to save himself now and that is why I think he'll make those changes happen, starting with the imminent firing of AV.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:08 AM

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I forgot wonder boy Hodgson, who had 1 point in the playoffs, would have solved all of our problems. Hodgson did not have the speed or grit to be able to outmuscle the Kings D. If guys like Burrows, Kesler, and Higgins couldn't do it, Hodgson wouldn't either.

Our problems ran deeper than having a third line center. If we're struggling for 2/3 of a game to get the puck out of our zone, we're probably not going to win.


And during those times that we WERE able to get the puck out of our zone, we need someone who can shoot the puck worth a damn. Here's a little known fact. This year, out of all of our forwards, Cody Hodgson had the highest goals/shots of 15.4%.

It's so easy to say "oh yea so-and-so wouldn't have made a difference", when in fact, it's usually only a couple of players that make a difference in a playoff series. I would take my chances with Hodgson over Kassian and/or Kesler.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:18 AM

Hodgson would not have made the any difference in this series.

Stop with this garbage. Sh!tty trade will always be a shi!tty one. Trading Schneider for a bag of pucks wouldn't have made difference either.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:19 AM

And during those times that we WERE able to get the puck out of our zone, we need someone who can shoot the puck worth a damn. Here's a little known fact. This year, out of all of our forwards, Cody Hodgson had the highest goals/shots of 15.4%.

It's so easy to say "oh yea so-and-so wouldn't have made a difference", when in fact, it's usually only a couple of players that make a difference in a playoff series. I would take my chances with Hodgson over Kassian and/or Kesler.


Playoffs are a completely different game. He wasn't gonna get the open ice that he scored most of his goals on this season.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:22 AM

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Stop with this garbage. Sh!tty trade will always be a shi!tty one. Trading Schneider for a bag of pucks wouldn't have made difference either.


I'm not arguing if it was a good trade, I'm arguing if he would have been the difference maker in this series, and the answer is no.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:23 AM

lol phalsson. our great shutdown center. he can't even win a faceoff
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:27 AM

Brace yourself because the fallout from this series loss will be big. Let the changes begin.....and they will.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:29 AM

This season (post-season) was a failure by the organization as a whole. No one person is to blame. The Canucks are one of the best coached teams in the league. Back to back President's trophies proves that. At the end of the day we only lost 22 games in an 82 game season, winning much tighter games than we did last year when we only lost 19 in regulation.

Gillis came up short on a few things this year. Booth was a solid acquisition in theory, so was Pahlsson and Gragnani. The only trade he really dropped the ball on was Hodgeson-Kassian trade.

Some really tough decisions will need to be made in the offseason to solidify our roster.

Say what you want about AV but he has consistently coached this team to the top of the league since he's been here. Look at the results this post-season in terms of the other teams who have lost in the first round: Detroit, San Jose, Pittsburgh. New York is facing elimination by an 8th seed, Boston is beings forced into a game 7 by a 7th seed, and Chicago is facing elimination by Phoenix who should in all rights be the 7th seed. Our playoff seeding really is a broken system and does not dictate much else besides home-ice.

Right now the teams coming out on top (with the exception of Philly) are tough, hardworking defensive-teams playing a trap system and are taking out the league's giants. I've said this before but this is the kind of hockey that wins in the playoffs. I was hoping that the Canucks would learn this lesson from last year's playoff heartbreak but we lost sight of what we needed to do to win in the end.

I look forward to next season and hope that Gillis is able to make some necessary adjustments for the better without drastically altering the makeup of the team. We have a really good group, there are just a few holes we need filled but aside from that we are still one of the deepest and most-skilled teams in the league.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:33 AM

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Big changes aren't necessary, and Gillis is smart enough to not make them.

Biggest mistake they can make is to blow up a team that's as good as this one. All it needs is some upgrades in certain areas and they'll be ready to take a longer run next season.

A long offseason should benefit this team alot. Clearly they didn't have it in them this season after last years crushing defeat.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:44 AM

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AV is just plain BAD for player development. If we drafted a top 2 pick, he probably wouldn't put him in the lineup just because he's young. AV loves to bury young players in the AHL and most don't see the light of day. This has to change. There has to be more of a mix of youth and veterans on this team. Right now, there are too many veterans taking up roster spots. Complacency is rampant on this team. We need some high end, talented youth in there to stir the pot...hungry youth that will push the veterans.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:00 AM

AV is just plain BAD for player development. If we drafted a top 2 pick, he probably wouldn't put him in the lineup just because he's young. AV loves to bury young players in the AHL and most don't see the light of day. This has to change. There has to be more of a mix of youth and veterans on this team. Right now, there are too many veterans taking up roster spots. Complacency is rampant on this team. We need some high end, talented youth in there to stir the pot...hungry youth that will push the veterans.


Agreed. Now that you mention it, I realized one thing: Kesler was at the top of his game this year when Hodgson was around. They were both probably battling out for the ice time. After the trade, Kesler and his performance sank to the bottom of the ocean.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:22 AM

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:24 AM

Getting a guy who scores 2 goals per season, and counting on him to come out on the plus side of things overall, makes about as much sense as going into a turtle for 40 minutes trying to defend a one goal lead.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:31 AM

I think we need to calm down.

Firstly MG will NOT get rid of AV, not this year at least. That is not his style, he is a guy with a moral ethic and he knows it is easy to have a pat season after the kind of season we had last year. Even then we came through and won the PT.

We had players recovering from injury and we had players who we thought might have made a difference getting injured before we got going. The fact is however we were unable to acquire the type of player that would have made a real difference in the top 6 and in the defence.

I for one was really annoyed at the Booth trade and am on record at the time. I took the time to go back using GC Live and look at his style and performance in Florida. I thought then, that his style wouldn't change with us and it hasn't. His one handed play gives him little or no options. He is not a bust yet, but he needs to change style and play a team game, that is the only way he will be effective.

We thought we had depth but in the SC physical impact and ability to snipe goals trumps depth. Too many of our players lost form and too many were too similar. Even a player who has lost his scoring touch can make an impact if he is big enough.

Regards Hodgson, I agree with DN above. He wasn't going to alter the course of these games. In fact I suspect he would have been ground out of them due to his lack of speed and physicality. What we needed was a Perry or a Getzlaf, we got Kassian.

I still think we need to give AV and his coaches another season but even they will know this market has limited patience. MG in my opinion let AV down in that he, over the season, failed to get the big gritty sniper or the imposing D AV really needed. The two pieces in fact most of us KNEW we needed. He must get them now because bargain basement, and rehab acquisitions only get you so far in the long run

LA invested in Richards and Carter. Two players who were instrumental in putting us out. Gillis must make a similar move if we are to impose ourselves on our opponents.
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