Sanj Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Sundin-before and after he monumentally screwed up he kept spinning it and to this day I hear " Sundin built Kesler and the Twins" . Yeah,right.Twenty million dollars says Gillis had no idea what he was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoKnows53 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 I agree he should basically say we have gutless players and everybody is for sale at any time, thats what a good gm would do, right op. Never complement a member of our team because that's over hyping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted May 16, 2012 Author Share Posted May 16, 2012 I agree he should basically say we have gutless players and everybody is for sale at any time, thats what a good gm would do, right op. Never complement a member of our team because that's over hyping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Ten million dollars for eight points.Fair trade.We would have been lucky to pay him twenty million for another year. Nine goals in 41 games.What an example to the team.Three goals in the post season. Ten million dollars ,no make it twenty. Was it that Mats that came in here out of shape and AV would not play him? Was it that Mats that carried the Canucks,showing them the way with a -5 year end performance? Was it that Mats that held out to go to New York,as in the Rangers,as in the team that is most despised in Canucks history? Was it that Mats that finished the season with half the goals scored compared to Kyle Wellwood,who was on an entry level contract that never saw the PP time Mats enjoyed? Half the goals scored but twenty times the salary.Nice move. Was it that Mats Sundin that was outscored by Taylor Pyatt,Mason Raymond,Kevin Bieksa and Steve Bernier? Oh,yeah,that Mats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Are you noobs back in action again? The same noobs that think they can do a better job then Gillis? If your one of those noobs kindly say who you think can do a bettter job then Gillis. You guys are frackin pissing me already. You guys slam Gillis, call him, overrated, call him arrogant, ok, THEN WHO THE frack DO YOU THINK CAN DO A BETTER JOB?????? Not one of you noob have mentioned who you think can do a better job, but just sit in front of your computer ranting on Gillis. W.T.F! You guys think it's an easy job doing what He does? So explain who you noobs rather have as our gm!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 that's the twins and Kes having class. Of course they are going to say things like that. Do you really think he had that big an impact on their game? If he made every player on every team he ever played 20-30 points better the Leafs would have won several cups and set records for goals scored. Why couldn't he translate that skill to Toronto players if that's the case? That's typical MG fluff, as if the twins or Kes wouldn't be teh same players if it wasn't for those 40 games 3 years ago. C'mon, be serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Are you noobs back in action again? The same noobs that think they can do a better job then Gillis? If your one of those noobs kindly say who you think can do a bettter job then Gillis. You guys are frackin pissing me already. You guys slam Gillis, call him, overrated, call him arrogant, ok, THEN WHO THE frack DO YOU THINK CAN DO A BETTER JOB?????? Not one of you noob have mentioned who you think can do a better job, but just sit in front of your computer ranting on Gillis. W.T.F! You guys think it's an easy job doing what He does? So explain who you noobs rather have as our gm!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Are you noobs back in action again? The same noobs that think they can do a better job then Gillis? If your one of those noobs kindly say who you think can do a bettter job then Gillis. You guys are frackin pissing me already. You guys slam Gillis, call him, overrated, call him arrogant, ok, THEN WHO THE frack DO YOU THINK CAN DO A BETTER JOB?????? Not one of you noob have mentioned who you think can do a better job, but just sit in front of your computer ranting on Gillis. W.T.F! You guys think it's an easy job doing what He does? So explain who you noobs rather have as our gm!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finaddict Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Sundin-before and after he monumentally screwed up he kept spinning it and to this day I hear " Sundin built Kesler and the Twins" . Yeah,right.Twenty million dollars says Gillis had no idea what he was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 They are still bound by the cap, we bring players up and down all the time. Each one factors into the cap. They can only spend X amount on their current roster. Just like us, just like everybody else. How come we can demote...... say Bitz and it affects the cap, yet if they want to send down Redden it's cap circumvention? Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiredatwork Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Redden didn't count towards their cap at all this season. He was waived and then not invited to training camp. It has been deemed 'legal cap circumvention.' Surely the NHL didn't envision that large a salary being stuck in the minors, no matter how rich the team was, but the Rangers are likely waiting for the new cba to provide them a more affordable buyout option. Meanwhile, there is blatant cap circumvention going on. They blame it on Redden's declining play, but c'mon, it's all salary based. If Redden was making $1mil to $2mil, would he still have been demoted? Probably not as quickly or as permanently. This is a typical post-cap move for the rich franchises that have cap issues. Philly disappeared Hatcher and Rathje. NJ disappeared Mogilny. TO disappeared Finger. But this Redden one was by far the biggest one. Without that move and the shady trade of Scott Gomez to a dumbfounded Pierre Gauthier, they are not in the playoffs right now, let lone round 3. So yes, they could havr cleared room for Sundin. That wasn't even an issue at the time. Cheers. TOML Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiredatwork Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 ... because Toronto players sucked at that time (still do, but I digress). My post was to refute what nuck nit said about Sundin, that "Sundin built Kesler and the Twins." Of course, it's not MG who said it, but the players who skated alongside 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resdog Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 They are class guys. Pretty sure they said the same thing about AV, Crow, god, their coach in Sweden, their peewee coach, their parents, their grandparents.......... Ever watch an awards ceremony? Ever notice a lot of the winners thank various people and say they couldn't have done it without them. You understand that they actually probably could have done it without certain people, right? To take something like that so literally is just ridiculous. If that was literally true, wouldn't that make Sundin the greatest coach of all time? Sundin was in TO before the salary cap, they Leafs had a lot of talent there. For some reason his magic didn't rub off there, weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted May 16, 2012 Author Share Posted May 16, 2012 Exactly...which is why this entire thread is so ridiculous. To single out Gillis, any player, manager, agent etc...., is just plain stupid. Almost every professional sports figure will try to 'sell' their interview. Whether that is a GM selling the media and fans on an acquisition/trade, or a player not disparaging a current/former teammate. The OP is dead wrong. Gillis doesn't do anything that almost all other GM's in all other pro sports have always done. It has nothing to do with being a former agent....which the OP was also wrong in saying that Gillis is the only former agent (see Burke and Fletcher as off the top of my head examples). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resdog Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Let's clarify things 'dead wrong'. First MG went from agent to GM. Burke was an agent for a short time and then went into hockey management and worked his way up to GM. Gillis is I believe the first GM to go from agent to GM. Show me another GM who has done that? Chuck fletcher went the same route as well agent to management and working his way up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resdog Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 This whole Sundin thing is an example as well. Gillis at the time called him one of best players in the league and one of only a few who would be worth a 10 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 To be honest I really don't understand what you are talking about. Why is it shady to trade a bad contract to a moron of a gm? That's the trick, Florida is getting better by dumping bad contracts just like the Rangers did. Where we circumventing the cap when we acquired Reinprecht? Of course he was let go because of his cap hit. Sending players to the minors has been around for awhile, that's not new. Do you finish your texts off with a cheers? Every thought... cheers...........why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted May 16, 2012 Author Share Posted May 16, 2012 Are you saying that Sundin was NOT one of the best players in the league? Was there someone else available on December 18th that was worth $10M...w/o giving up a roster player, prospect or draft pick? Explain how that is over-hyping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resdog Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Check Sundin's stats dude - do a little of the mental work yourself. Your long term memory may not allow to recall things that far back but I posted this. According to the Toronto Sun at that start of the 2008 season Sundin was the 35th best player in the league. http://www.torontosun.com/sports/hockey/2008/10/06/6992001-sun.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Redden didn't count towards their cap at all this season. He was waived and then not invited to training camp. It has been deemed 'legal cap circumvention.' Surely the NHL didn't envision that large a salary being stuck in the minors, no matter how rich the team was, but the Rangers are likely waiting for the new cba to provide them a more affordable buyout option. Meanwhile, there is blatant cap circumvention going on. They blame it on Redden's declining play, but c'mon, it's all salary based. If Redden was making $1mil to $2mil, would he still have been demoted? Probably not as quickly or as permanently. This is a typical post-cap move for the rich franchises that have cap issues. Philly disappeared Hatcher and Rathje. NJ disappeared Mogilny. TO disappeared Finger. But this Redden one was by far the biggest one. Without that move and the shady trade of Scott Gomez to a dumbfounded Pierre Gauthier, they are not in the playoffs right now, let lone round 3. So yes, they could havr cleared room for Sundin. That wasn't even an issue at the time. Cheers. TOML Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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