Manny Pacquiao v Timothy Bradley

[The Situation]

This is only going to quicken Boxing's downward spiral into insignificance. I think in about a decade it will be alongside kickboxing, wrestling (the real kind), etc.

All the new talent will go into mixed martial arts where the multidimensional aspect of the sport is much more entertaining and thus a better source of money.

[Bruce Boudreau]

What a joke that decision was last night! Floyd "Pretty Boy" Mayweather is probably having a good laugh about it in his jail cell.

Great now Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight will be delayed another year. The fix was clearly in.

Not gonna see this happen for awhile.

[Canuckerbird]

This is only going to quicken Boxing's downward spiral into insignificance. I think in about a decade it will be alongside kickboxing, wrestling (the real kind), etc.

All the new talent will go into mixed martial arts where the multidimensional aspect of the sport is much more entertaining and thus a better source of money.

[Strawberries]

so fixed not evn funny

[y0shi]

Boxing's a better sport than MMA by a mile, but decisions like this takes away from the enjoyment of watching the sport for sure. I don't watch much of either, as I prefer the big 4/Tennis, but I watched this fight from start to finish. Even if you gave Bradley the last 4 rounds, that is still a Pacquiao victory.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Manny_Pacquiao_vs._Timothy_Bradley

Unofficial Scorecards:

• Danny Flexen, Boxing News: 115-113 Bradley

• Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao

• Armando Alvarez, Telemundo: 115-113 Pacquiao

• Jake Donovan, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao

• Terry Dooley, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao

• Steve Bunce, BoxNation.com/BBC: 116-112 Pacquiao

• George Willis, The New York Post: 116-112 Pacquiao

• Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com: 116-112 Pacquiao

• Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 116-112 Pacquiao

• Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 116-112 Pacquiao

• Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112 Pacquiao

• Suge Green, On the Grind Boxing Radio: 116-112 Pacquiao

• Steve Zemach, The Queensbury Rules.com: 116-112 Pacquiao

• Michael Nelson, TheCruelestSport.com: 116-112 Pacquiao

• Tom Gray, SecondsOut.com: 116-112 Pacquiao

• Joel Sebastionelli, LIITR Box Radio: 116-112 Pacquiao

• BoxingSocialist.com: 116-112 Pacquiao

• Ricky Hatton: 116-112 Pacquiao

• Wayne McCulloch: 116-112 Pacquiao

• Rob Day, RingNews24.com: 117-112 Pacquiao

• Ryan Burton, BoxingScene.com: 117-112 Pacquiao

• Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Cliff Rold, BoxingScene.com: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Chris Robinson, BoxingScene.com: 117-111 Pacquiao

• David Mayo, The Grand Rapids Press: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Robert Little, BlackSportsOnline.com: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Jorge Hernandez, The Low Blow.com: 117-111 Pacquiao

• David Greisman, BoxingScene.com: 117-111 Pacquiao

• EastSideBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao

• The Guardian (UK): 117-111 Pacquiao

• Luis Sandoval, BoxingScene.com: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Jonathan Sakti, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Richie Tomasini, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Tim Starks, The Queensbury Rules: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Champ Ross, DaTruthBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Darren Velasco, 8CountNews.com: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Ryan Maquinana, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao

• George Diaz, The Orlando Sentinel: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Doug Fischer, Ring Magazine: 117-111 Pacquiao

• FightersRated.com: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Tommy Gunn, BoxingAsylum.com: 117-111 Pacquiao

• NoHoldsBarred.com: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Gareth Davies, London Telegraph: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Ron Lewis, Primetime/BBC: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Jake Emen, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 117-111 Pacquiao

• Steve Lillis, BoxNation: 118-111 Pacquiao

• Brett Newton, Pound4Pound.com: 118-110 Pacquiao

• Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 118-110 Pacquiao

• Mike Koppinger, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao

• Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao

• Ryan Songalia, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao

• Pete O'Brien, USA Today: 118-110 Pacquiao

• Eric Raskin, TheSweetScience.com: 118-110 Pacquiao

• Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 118-110 Pacquiao

• Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 118-110 Pacquiao

• Kelsey McCarson, TheSweetScience.com: 118-110 Pacquiao

• Mario Cabrera, The Boxing Republic: 118-110 Pacquiao

• Ramon Aranda, 3MoreRounds.com: 118-110 Pacquiao

• Colin Seymour, Examiner.com: 118-110 Pacquiao

• Nigel Collins, Espn.com: 118-110 Pacquiao

• Paddy Cronan, On the Grind Boxing Radio: 118-110 Pacquiao

• Denzil Stome, OnTheBeak.com: 118-110 Pacquiao

• WorldBoxingNews.net: 118-110 Pacquiao

• Michael Rosenthal, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao

• Barry Tompkins, Showtime: 119-110 Pacquiao

• Vittorio Tafur, The San Francisco Chronicle: 119-109 Pacquiao

• Ray Markarian, TheSweetScience.com: 119-109 Pacquiao

• Harold Lederman, HBO: 119-109 Pacquiao

• Dan Rafael, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao

• Fox Sports: 119-109 Pacquiao

• Michael Woods, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao

• Michael Marley, BoxingConfidential.com/Examiner.com: 119-109 Pacquiao

• Skip Bayless, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao

• Among the experts above, 77 scored the bout for Pacquiao, and 1 scored the bout for Bradley.

• None of the scores for Pacquiao was offered by Philippine media.

• The score for Bradley was not provided by American media.

• "It's either corruption or incompetence. There'll be a rematch. It speaks to the corruption of the sport. The criminals will be rewarded" - ESPN's Teddy Atlas

• HBO's Jim Lampley referred to it as the "worst scoring he has every seen."

• "People, a great sport is now on a respirator. Boxing is presently a polluted playing field in every respect. Tonight was par for the course." - Lou DiBella

• "Okay well maybe not worse than my draw with Holyfield but still bad nonetheless." - Lennox Lewis

• "Bradley by split decision. I am shocked. I don't even know what to say. That was absolutely horrible" - ESPN's Dan Rafael

• Timothy Bradley after the fight suggested he will look at the fight replay to see if he won the fight

• Bob Arum (promoter of both Fighters) "Can you believe that? Unbelievable," "I went over to Bradley before the decision and he said, 'I tried hard but I couldn't beat the guy.'" "I'm going to make a lot of money on the rematch, but this [decision] was outrageous."

[Strawberries]

^ your opinion i find mma way more interesting than boxing

[Tortorella's Rant]

I don't even watch boxing, at all, ever. However, I saw the score card and I'd have to say that Pacquiao pummeled the crap out of Bradley.

[The Sedin's 6th Sense]

http://www.abs-cbnne...ut-investigated

http://msn.foxsports...decision-061012

http://www.telegraph...hy-Bradley.html

http://www.presstele...-split-decision

"I want to investigate whether there was any undue influence, whether the [Nevada Athletic Commission] gave any particular instruction and how they came to this conclusion," said Arum, whose company promotes both fighters.

"If this was a subjective view that each of [the judges] honestly held, OK. I would still disagree, but then we're off the hook in terms of there being no conspiracy.

"But there needs to be an independent investigation because it strains credulity that an event everybody saw as so one-sided one way all three judges saw it as close. ... the whole sport is in an uproar. People are going crazy."

[The Situation]

People have been saying this about boxing since before De la Hoya's time. It's simply false.

"The famous people that you have right now, are the only famous people that are going to exist in the future for boxing. The De la Hoyas, the Bernard Hopkins, The Jermaine Taylors. The guys that were already famous before UFC came along, there will be no new ones. They will all go to MMA."

-Joe Rogan on ESPN in 2008.

(3:41 mark if you want to watch the actual segment)

And yet, four years later, boxing's biggest stars are still heads and shoulders above MMA's in terms of popularity, significance, PPV buys, and purses: Floyd made 32 million in his last fight, not including the PPV. Manny made 26 million for the Bradley fight before the PPV.

Looking at the top PPV events of the last five years, it's still no contest: Boxing, at its highest level, is still the most significant, and lucrative fight sport.

Top ten boxing PPVs since 2007

De la Hoya v Mayweather 2007: 2.4 million PPV buys

Mayweather v Cotto 2012: 1.5 million

Pacquiao v Marquez III 2012: 1.45 million

Mayweather v Mosley 2010: 1.4 million

Pacquiao v Mosley 2011: 1.34 million

De la Hoya v Pacquiao 2008: 1.25 million

Mayweather v Ortiz 2011: 1.25 million

Pacquiao v Cotto 2009: 1.25 million

Pacquiao v Margarito 2010: 1.15 million

Mayweather v Marquez 2009: 1.1 million

Top Ten UFC PPVs of all time

UFC 100: 1.6 million PPV buys

UFC 116: 1.16 million

UFC 66: 1.05 million

UFC 114: 1.05 million

UFC 121: 1.05 million

UFC 91: 1.01 million

UFC 92: 1 million

UFC 94: 920,000

UFC 101: 850,000

UFC 111: 850,000

If anything, those PPV statistics show that since UFC 100, interest in MMA is declining, while interest in boxing is rising as only three UFC events since the aforementioned UFC 100, has generated 1 million or more buys. Boxing, meanwhile, has generated seven PPV events with a million or more buys during the same timeframe.

[The Sedin's 6th Sense]

Rounds 7-12 for anyone interested in watching.

http://fightnext.com/video/U5397UNXXUX6/Manny-Pacquiao-vs-Timothy-Bradley--Part-II

[Grapefruits]

I also don't like the PPV buy rate comparison because UFC has a PPV monthly while boxing doesn't. Boxing is relying heavily on a few stars while UFC has a much broader athlete base to choose from.

Since I don't really watch boxing or follow it, can some tell me if they even have any up and comers to take over?

[Canuckerbird]

That was only 4 years, as if a lot of talent has grown since then.

Boxing is relying on its old base while MMA is growing by leaps and bounds. Once Mayweather and Pacquiao retire, it will be like horse racing.

Also, that last point on the PPV statistics doesn't prove anything because in the earlier UFC PPVs, they would group several highly anticipated cards into one instead of splitting them up now.

[RUPERTKBD]

I haven't followed boxing since the Foreman-Norton-Frazier-Ali days and this decision is a good reason why.

I thought the sport might recover somewhat once the Don King era had faded away, but it seems that some things never change.

I feel bad for all those amateur boxers sweating it out in the gym and on the road, because their chosen sport is fast becoming an embarrassment.

[The Situation]

You're saying the exact same thing that I quoted Joe Rogan for. People were saying that boxing would die once De la Hoya retired. Be honest, had you even heard the name Manny Pacquiao before he destroyed one punched Ricky Hatton in 2009? Before he made De la Hoya quit on his stool in 2008? How about before he destroyed Mexican legends Marco Antonio Barrerra and Eric Morales between 2003 and 2006? Did you know who Floyd Mayweather was when he knocked out Diego Corrales and Arturo Gatti in 2005?

Neither Floyd nor Manny were in mainstream consciousness before 2007-2008. But look at what happened after De la Hoya retired in '08 and boxing was supposed to just simply fizzle out: Mayweather and Pacquiao immediately became mainstream, crossover stars and have since become just as, if not more popular than De la Hoya or any other boxers before them.

Boxing will always have a next generation, the torch ALWAYS gets passed on. You've also probably never heard of the following names: Andre Ward, Nonito Donaire, Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, and Amir Khan. Once Pacquiao and Mayweather retire, one or two of these guys will take up the torch and become boxing's next mainstream stars.