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#1 shadowgoon

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 06:11 AM

Derp, I'm at it again.

Vancouver:

Ryan Johansen
Kris Letang

Columbus:

Marc-Andre Fleury
Alexander Edler
Brandon Sutter
Jordan Schroeder
1st Round Pick (Pittsburgh)

Pittsburgh:

Roberto Luongo
Rick Nash

Sign Doan, Huet/Ellis

Without Kesler:


FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Johansen ($1.945m) / Shane Doan ($5.000m)
Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.600m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Kris Letang ($3.500m)
Keith Ballard ($4.250m) / Chris Tanev ($0.900m)
Andrew Alberts ($1.225m) /
GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Cristobal Huet ($1.500m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,965,000; BONUSES: $1,075,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $5,235,000

With Kesler


FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Shane Doan ($5.000m)
Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Ryan Johansen ($1.945m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.600m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Kris Letang ($3.500m)
Keith Ballard ($4.250m) / Chris Tanev ($0.900m)
Andrew Alberts ($1.225m) /
GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Cristobal Huet ($1.500m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,965,000; BONUSES: $1,075,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $235,000


Might have to tweak the package that Vancouver sends out, but I think that's a pretty realistic framework

Imagine a future line of Jensen-Johansen-Kassian :bigblush:

If Ballard has an improved bounce back season, his value rises so we can easily off load him for a no cap hit return and use the money to sign a UFA Weber, not to mention Manny coming off the books and depending on Doan if he signs a 1 or 2 year term if he comes off there's the extra money to re-up Burrows

Edited by Shadowgoon, 12 July 2012 - 06:34 AM.


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Posted 12 July 2012 - 09:41 AM

Horrible trade for Pittsburgh.


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Posted 12 July 2012 - 10:09 AM

Absolutely awful for Pittsburgh, bad for CBJ, and the Canucks come out like bandits.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 10:17 AM

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 10:57 AM

First of all, if the Canucks were giving up Ballard instead of Edler I would agree with you. Edler is a 1st pairing defenceman in Columbus, Marc-Andre Fleury is miles above what they have for goaltending and is only a few steps below Luongo, Brandon Sutter was the major component in the Staal trade.

Canucks lose/gain: Luongo, Edler, Schroeder/Johansen, Letang
Pittsburgh lose/gain: MA Fleury, Letang, Sutter, 1st/Luongo, Nash
Columbus lose/gain: Nash, Johansen/MA Fleury, Edler, Sutter, Shroeder, 1st

Now, how exactly do the Canucks make out like bandits? Luongo all but guaranteed to move out of Vancouver does not diminish the intrinsic value of his skill and abilities. Edler is a top pairing defenceman on most teams, most assuredly in Columbus and Shroeder has the ability to be a very solid 2-way center. Likely not to be a top flight center, but certainly good enough to be on the 2nd line.

Pittsburgh gives up the most in terms of number of assets, but also gets the highest degree of skill in return. Luongo has 4-5 good years left in him imo, and Nash certainly has at least that if not more. You're insane if you don't think Luongo and Nash make Pittsburgh into a scary mother-f'n team in the east.

I fail to see how any one team is losing big time in this deal. 2/3 responses have declared this as a horrible trade for Pittsburgh, if so you are way undervaluing what Luongo and Nash bring that team compared to what they are giving up (#1 goalie, Top 4 defenceman, #2 center (on most young teams) and a late 1st round pick.

1/3 has declared this as a bad trade for Columbus, in the initial deal giving up Johansen and Nash with a return of Edler, Fleury, Sutter, Schroeder AND a 1st round pick.

Each of these deals makes each respective team stronger. I would love to see anyone else come up with a more balanced 3 way hockey trade.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 11:32 AM

To Van: weber , parise

To Min:Ballard van 1st

To Nash: raymond minny 1st

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 11:37 AM

Why would Pittsburgh do this?
Their defence is bad enough with Letang.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 11:43 AM

To Van: weber , parise

To Min:Ballard van 1st

To Nash: raymond minny 1st


If you are implying that is the equivalent of the talent analysis of my OP proposal, you're completely out to lunch.

@ Jag, I just realized how really thin their blueline depth really is.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 11:45 AM

To Van: weber , parise

To Min:Ballard van 1st

To Nash: raymond minny 1st


not that good for minny

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 11:52 AM

@ Jag, I just realized how really thin their blueline depth really is.


Yeah, they would be rolling a D core of
Orpik- Niskanen
Martin- Lovejoy
Engelland- Despres

That would go down as one of the worst in the league.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 11:54 AM

Yeah, they would be rolling a D core of
Orpik- Niskanen
Martin- Lovejoy
Engelland- Despres

That would go down as one of the worst in the league.


That would account for them playing pond hockey, and loading up with Nash :P

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 12:11 PM

Hmm.

Vancouver:

Chris Kunitz
Craig Adams
Colton Gillies

Pittsburgh

Rick Nash
Roberto Luongo
Alexander Edler

Columbus

MA Fleury
Brandon Sutter
Jordan Shroeder
Pittsburgh 1st

Gillies and Adams add 4th line size and grit, Kunitz fills out our Top 6 (though admittedly he is a LW and not exactly in our needs)

Edited by Shadowgoon, 12 July 2012 - 12:20 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2012 - 12:55 PM

Hmm.

Vancouver:

Chris Kunitz
Craig Adams
Colton Gillies

Pittsburgh

Rick Nash
Roberto Luongo
Alexander Edler

Columbus

MA Fleury
Brandon Sutter
Jordan Shroeder
Pittsburgh 1st

Gillies and Adams add 4th line size and grit, Kunitz fills out our Top 6 (though admittedly he is a LW and not exactly in our needs)


This deal sucks for Vancouver, while the other teams would be celebrating.
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 01:35 PM

This deal sucks for Vancouver, while the other teams would be celebrating.


LOL

Propose trade "Canucks make out like bandits, trade is crap for other two teams!!!"

Propose nearly identical trade "BAD TRADE FOR CANUCKS OTHER TEAMS WIN LOTTERYZZZZZ"

Where the Frig is the middle ground with you lunatics?

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 01:56 PM

Still dumb.

Are you 10 ?

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 02:00 PM

Columbus gets an Amazing deal.

Pittsburgh's is okay, I wouldnt do it.

and I for sure wouldn't do ours.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 02:07 PM

LOL

Propose trade "Canucks make out like bandits, trade is crap for other two teams!!!"

Propose nearly identical trade "BAD TRADE FOR CANUCKS OTHER TEAMS WIN LOTTERYZZZZZ"

Where the Frig is the middle ground with you lunatics?


There is no middle ground with in the CDC. You are either with them or against them!
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 02:53 PM

LOL

Propose trade "Canucks make out like bandits, trade is crap for other two teams!!!"

Propose nearly identical trade "BAD TRADE FOR CANUCKS OTHER TEAMS WIN LOTTERYZZZZZ"

Where the Frig is the middle ground with you lunatics?


I actually didn't mind your first deal, but the second deal sucks for Vancouver.
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 03:43 PM

To Van: weber , parise

To Min:Ballard van 1st

To Nash: raymond minny 1st

WTF? I mean WTF?

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 10:30 PM

Hmm.

Vancouver:

Chris Kunitz
Craig Adams
Colton Gillies

Pittsburgh

Rick Nash
Roberto Luongo
Alexander Edler

Columbus

MA Fleury
Brandon Sutter
Jordan Shroeder
Pittsburgh 1st

Gillies and Adams add 4th line size and grit, Kunitz fills out our Top 6 (though admittedly he is a LW and not exactly in our needs)


...
Luongo, Edler, and Schroeder are a heck of a lot more valuable than Adams, Kunitz, and Gilles.
Its a stretch to say Kunitz= Luongo. And Gilles and Adams are maybe enough to trade Schroeder alone, let alone throwing in Edler too.

LOL

Propose trade "Canucks make out like bandits, trade is crap for other two teams!!!"

Propose nearly identical trade "BAD TRADE FOR CANUCKS OTHER TEAMS WIN LOTTERYZZZZZ"

Where the Frig is the middle ground with you lunatics?


In what crazy world is Kunitz, Adams, and Gilles nearly identical to Letang and Johansen...

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 10:59 PM

Pittsburgh gives up fluery, Letang, sutter and a first round pick for Nash and luongo??!! I don't think so!!!

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 10:35 AM

Why would Pittsburgh do this?
Their defence is bad enough with Letang.

aw hell no!
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 05:36 PM

:picard: i dont even know where to begin...
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 03:47 PM

...
Luongo, Edler, and Schroeder are a heck of a lot more valuable than Adams, Kunitz, and Gilles.
Its a stretch to say Kunitz= Luongo. And Gilles and Adams are maybe enough to trade Schroeder alone, let alone throwing in Edler too.


In what crazy world is Kunitz, Adams, and Gilles nearly identical to Letang and Johansen...


I think he meant identically lopsided as in the original proposal, only this time against us

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 03:56 PM

are you out of your mind kiddo? :picard:

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 02:43 PM

The only reason why I even bother reading these Proposals and Armchair GM section is for a good laugh. Most of them are outright ludicrous, some where the Canucks are sending their rejects for top line players and prospects. I can never understand why people always come up with these so-called three way deals involving three teams, especially when they rarely ever happen. But then again, there are those few posts where the proposals are interesting and fair. Unfortunately, this one isn't it.




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