Unprecedented Greenland Ice Melt Stuns NASA Scientists

[Heretic]

Then go ahead and report that 'attack' if you're grasping at straws to get me banned again.

I wouldn't put it past your usual childish and petty behaviour.

[Slaytanic Wehrmacht]

"Strike 2" I'm assuming you don't realize how juvenile that sounds.

[Bertuzzi Babe]

*wonders how we ended up discussing base-a-ball*

[Sharpshooter]

Well ya exactly. It's a contributor but not the cause. It's A cause though.

So certainly not so far in left field to get a glib response. Lead by example if you want thoughtful conversation.

[Slaytanic Wehrmacht]

idioms, my dear...idioms...

[Sharpshooter]

Strike 2.

[Kamero89]

Chill out...

Anyways.. Pretty crazy stuff, isn't going to make me drive a hybrid though, its just climate change and it'll go back to normal one day again, nothing to worry about.

[ronthecivil]

Try sticking to the topic at hand, if YOU want thoughtful conversation and worry less about my glib responses while doling out patronizing ones.

[Sharpshooter]

Sure. Greenland is melting. What do you propose we do about that? Speculate on Greenland real estate?

[Kamero89]

Yep, now you make personal attacks - I guess you didn't learn from your previous ban - pity - for I quite like your constructive posts that you make on this forum....

[Slaytanic Wehrmacht]

Sure. Greenland is melting. What do you propose we do about that? Speculate on Greenland real estate?

[Heretic]

lol I love your logic. 'Lets forget about it, and it will fix it self". The people who deny global warming are DEFIANTLY related to the people who thought the earth was flat.

[Heretic]

You have made personal attacks too. Seriously it is like the pot calling the kettle black. EVERY time you are proven wrong you make subtle remarks and offend people, which causes them to retort. You lost the debate, and now you are searching for your own little victory. I feel really sorry for you.

[Buddhas Hand]

It's a matter of prescience

No, not the science fiction kind

It's all about ignorance,

And greed, and miracles for the blind

The media parading, disjointed politics

Founded on petrochemical plunder

And we're it's hostages

If you stand to reason

You're in the game

The rules might be elusive

But our pieces are the same

And you know if one goes down we all go down as well

The balance is precarious as anyone can tell

This world's going to hell

Don't allow

This mythologic hopeful monster to exact it's price

Kyoto now!

We can't do nothing and I think someone else will make it right

You might not think it matters now

But what if you are wrong

You might not think there's any wisdom in a fracked up punk rock song

But the way it is

Cannot persist for long

A brutal sun is rising on a sick horizon

It's in the way

We live our lives

Exactly like the double-edge of a cold familiar knife

And supremacy weighs heavy on the day

It's never really what you own but what you threw away

And how much did you pay?

In your dreams

You saw a steady state a bounty for eternity

Silent screams

But now the wisdom that sustains us is in full retreat

Don't allow

This mythologic hopeful monster isn't worth the risk

Kyoto now!

We can't have vision for the future if it can't be fixed

Alien

We need a fresh and new religion to run our lives

Hand in hand

The arid torpor of inaction will be our demise

Greg Raffin.

[Slaytanic Wehrmacht]

Yeah that's why the Catholic church persecuted great scientific minds like Galileo for suggesting among other things that the Earth was not the center of the universe, that the Earth did not rotate on an axis, and why the Catholic church also persecuted people for stating that the Earth was round because the Church had decided arrogantly that it was flat. First off, why is there even a mention of any church in an environmental science thread where it doesn't belong, and second, who gives a crap what the church thinks or thought on the subject in the first place?

[taxi]

So is anyone actually going to listen to the scientists involved?

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/767665--greenland-is-melting-literally

While scientists described it as an “extreme event” not previously recorded from space, they hastened to add that it was normal in a broader historical context.

Ice core samples taken from the summit of Greenland’s ice sheet that shed light on 10,000 years of its history show that a similar large-scale melting event has happened roughly every 150 years, said Lora Koenig, a glaciologist with NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center who has also studied the satellite imagery. Because the previous vast melt occurred in 1889, this year’s is more or less on schedule, she said.

During the event, the surface ice on the sheet’s summit was always within a degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit) or so of refreezing, Koenig added. Around July 14, the ice loss began to reverse, she said.

Nonetheless, the scientists said, the melt was significant because Greenland’s ice sheet is unequivocally shrinking as a result of the warming of the world’s oceans, and the event could help broaden their insights into climate change and earth systems.

“Even though this one event might be part of normal variation, it’s still a fantastic experiment for us so we can try to understand how the ice sheets are going to change,” Thomas P. Wagner, head of NASA’s cryosphere program, said in an interview.

[Bertuzzi Babe]

Blah, blah, blah....massive wall of irrelevant text

[Slaytanic Wehrmacht]

With zealots involved that's highly doubtful BB. Sad, really. And of course they're irrelevant....anyone who doesn't share their same skewed worldview is irrelevant.

[Sharpshooter]

Careful, at who you are insinuating and/or generalizing about.

"Historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers point out that "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference"."

And then this one:

"A curious example of this mistreatment of the past for the purpose of slandering Christians is a widespread historical error, an error that the Historical Society of Britain some years back listed as number one in its short compendium of the ten most common historical illusions. It is the notion that people used to believe that the earth was flat--especially medieval Christians.

It must first be reiterated that with extraordinary few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the earth was flat.

A round earth appears at least as early as the sixth century BC with Pythagoras, who was followed by Aristotle, Euclid, and Aristarchus, among others in observing that the earth was a sphere. Although there were a few dissenters--Leukippos and Demokritos for example--by the time of Eratosthenes (3 c. BC), followed by Crates(2 c. BC), Strabo (3 c. BC), and Ptolemy (first c. AD), the sphericity of the earth was accepted by all educated Greeks and Romans.

Nor did this situation change with the advent of Christianity. A few--at least two and at most five--early Christian fathers denied the sphericity of earth by mistakenly taking passages such as Ps. 104:2-3 as geographical rather than metaphorical statements. On the other side tens of thousands of Christian theologians, poets, artists, and scientists took the spherical view throughout the early, medieval, and modern church. The point is that no educated person believed otherwise.

Historians of science have been proving this point for at least 70 years (most recently Edward Grant, David Lindberg, Daniel Woodward, and Robert S. Westman), without making notable headway against the error. Schoolchildren in the US, Europe, and Japan are for the most part being taught the same old nonsense. How and why did this nonsense emerge?

In my research, I looked to see how old the idea was that medieval Christians believed the earth was flat. I obviously did not find it among medieval Christians. Nor among anti-Catholic Protestant reformers. Nor in Copernicus or Galileo or their followers, who had to demonstrate the superiority of a heliocentric system, but not of a spherical earth. I was sure I would find it among the eighteenth-century philosophes, among all their vitriolic sneers at Christianity, but not a word. I am still amazed at where it first appears.

No one before the 1830s believed that medieval people thought that the earth was flat."

From: http://www.veritas-u.../FlatEarth.html

[Heretic]

Yeah that's why the Catholic church persecuted great scientific minds like Galileo for suggesting among other things that the Earth was not the center of the universe, that the Earth did not rotate on an axis, and why the Catholic church also persecuted people for stating that the Earth was round because the Church had decided arrogantly that it was flat. First off, why is there even a mention of any church in an environmental science thread where it doesn't belong, and second, who gives a crap what the church thinks or thought on the subject in the first place?