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Posted 24 August 2012 - 02:19 PM

I'm mentally preparing for 12 months of Gary Bettman eating a slice of pizza clips.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 02:21 PM

I'm mentally preparing for 12 months of Gary Bettman eating a slice of pizza clips.


I'm mentally preparing for 12 months of everyone making their own CBA thread
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 03:34 PM

Both sides are greedy but the way I see it is the owners take all the financial risk and the players whine about not making an extra million. While the middle class can barely afford to watch these spoiled millionaires play hockey. If there is another lock out I will definitely consider never buying a jersey or going to a game again. Of course I love my Canucks so I'd still follow them.

It is much more affordable to love the Giants

Edited by Norman Clegg, 27 August 2012 - 05:40 AM.

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 04:53 PM

I'm glad people are finally realizing that Bettman is the guy the owner's want. You need to hire a worm to do dirty work. Bettman being a worm isn't the debate here. The owners want more money, they're greedy, including our beloved Aquillini. We don't know whether he stands with other owner's sending Bettman to war or not.

What I would like to know on the level of the Phoenix team is if this is Bettman's doing or the owners wanting a club in Phoenix? Is it Bettman's wanting hockey in the south to work or the owner's? He needs to have owners blessing to go forth in any of these areas.
Can some one expound on this thought for me.

Having mentioned the above thoughts it still doesn't ease my distaste for Bettman as a human. The guy is a worm living like a worm! He's a lawyer and a real good one at that.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 02:19 AM

For me it comes down to the fact that the players are willing to play out the next season under the current deal and continue negotiating. It's the owners playing hardball and risking the lockout.

I mean at least give it a try before you use the nuclear option and maybe cancel another season. It just seems inconceivable to me that the owners would risk that after they already got the major concession of a salary cap last time. I agree that a salary cap was worth the last lockout. I like the parity and even playing field and it had to be done to ensure the longterm health of the league. An extra slice of the pie isn't worth the risk of a wasted year.

As much as we may hate that the players earn ridiculous salaries, they deserve a fair share of the revenue for creating the product, and the owners deserve a fair share as well for providing the infrastructure. The fans make it all possible though, without us there is no money, so we deserve to be treated fairly as well. There has to be a way to make this work without disrespecting the fans by endangering the season.

Edited by ronin688, 25 August 2012 - 03:06 AM.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 09:27 AM

What I would like to know on the level of the Phoenix team is if this is Bettman's doing or the owners wanting a club in Phoenix? Is it Bettman's wanting hockey in the south to work or the owner's? He needs to have owners blessing to go forth in any of these areas.
Can some one expound on this thought for me.


It's probably two-fold.

Since the NHL does own the Coyotes, Bettman is able to sell the team to whomever he wants. Now why he's hell-bent on keeping the Coyotes in Chelm-dale, I've no idea. However, since each team is funding 1/29th of the Coyotes, many of these owners are wanting that to end sooner than later. (The lockout gives the NHL a couple benefits....more time to find a local buyer or more time to ready the team for a move to another city, and saves the other owners money since they aren't funding the daily operations of a team not playing any games.)

I would also think the poorer owners would like the Coyotes to stay in Phoenix. Why? Assuming there's a salary cap after this labor dispute, it's almost an absolute certainty that the Coyotes won't be a revenue-generator if they stay in Phoenix. Higher revenues league-wide force the salary cap ceiling/basement to go up, forcing the poorer owners to spend more money even as they lose money.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 10:51 AM

One more nail in the coffin of what the NHL used to be.

Greed is killing what was the greatest sport.

The insistence to have and maintain franchises in non-hockey markets together with the greed of the owners is destroying the product.

How unfirtunate there isn't an alternative for pro hockey in NA. If there was, the NHL owners and their incompetent a$$ of a CEO would all be singing a different tune.

I've been a hockey fan since I was being held by my gramps to watch games in black and white. The combination of all the politics, greed and BS rule changes is making me have second thoughts of whether the NHL is even worth my time.


One of the best posts I've read in a long time.

Years ago, I'd never ever consider any other sport to rival the NHL. The greed, the reffing, and the watered-down game have just killed it for me.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 01:16 PM

This goof(betman) is taking away what I look forward to every year in September. The fresh start to a new NHL season is being compromised. This little rat has to be eradicated from the NHL. He doesn't give a damn about the fans or the game. He is more concerned with filling the owners pockets with cash and looking after his own interests. The last thing I would suggest is to make the NHL more political, but they should have some kind of election type format to recruit a new president and chief of operations like every four years or so, and the fans should elect this particular individual. Why should this scumbag have all the power every year and not have to fight for his position in office. Just my opinion.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 01:26 PM

Dynamo Moscow will try to sign Ovechkin if there’s a lockout:

Dynamo Moscow general manager Andrey Safronov says the KHL champions will attempt to lure Capitals captain Alex Ovechkin to Russia should there be an NHL lockout.


“We will talk with Ovechkin,” Safronov told RIA Novosti. “It will be up to the head coach.”


Ovechkin played with Dynamo as a teenager before heading to the NHL. In fact, his last season with the club was 2004-05 when the NHL lost an entire season due to a lockout.


That 2004-05 Dynamo team also included NHLers Pavel Datysuk, Maxim Afinogenov and Andrei Markov.


If Ovechkin does sign with Dynamo, we imagine his contract would include an escape clause that would allow him to return to the NHL whenever a new CBA is agreed upon.


http://prohockeytalk...eres-a-lockout/

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 06:57 PM

I'd love to see all the big-name NHL players bolt to the KHL for a season, then have some stay when the NHL does resume.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 07:55 PM

NHL lockout scenarios: comparing 2004-05 to 2012-13 - http://sportsillustr...line/index.html

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 08:57 PM

This goof(betman) is taking away what I look forward to every year in September. The fresh start to a new NHL season is being compromised. This little rat has to be eradicated from the NHL. He doesn't give a damn about the fans or the game. He is more concerned with filling the owners pockets with cash and looking after his own interests. The last thing I would suggest is to make the NHL more political, but they should have some kind of election type format to recruit a new president and chief of operations like every four years or so, and the fans should elect this particular individual. Why should this scumbag have all the power every year and not have to fight for his position in office. Just my opinion.

That will never happen. The NHL is a business, not a government. The owners would have nothing to gain from a system like that. The fans would obviously just side with the players and make the owners lose more money.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 09:49 PM

This article claims the players have agreed to come down on HHr from 57 percent to 50.

http://slam.canoe.ca...4/20138641.html
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 11:12 PM

NHL Negotiations Going Nowhere Fast:

NHL Lockout Possible Following Frigid Talks


The second NHL lockout in just 8 years may be right around the corner. Spokespersons for both the NHL Player’s Association and the NHL itself have come forward to present the deadlocking of negotiations.


A short meeting held between the two organizations this past Thursday led to little besides continued philosophical differences in pay scales.


The commissioner of the NHL, Gary Bettman, was reported as saying the issue is simple, “We believe we’re paying out more than we should be. It’s as simple as that.”


The NHL Player’s Association lacked this viewpoint, and instead sought to maintain or only slightly decrease revenue shares for players. Donald Fehr, the executive director of the NHL Player’s Association, brought forth a proposal last week offering reduced revenue for players.


Fehr, however, seeks to avoid what his organization believes was a mistake from the 2004-2005 talks. Players helped end that year’s deadlock by agreeing to less money.


As the September 11 deadline for the lockout approaches faster and faster, neither side seems to be lowering their demands anytime soon.


http://www.ecanadano...g-nowhere-fast/
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 11:17 PM

I will break stuff if there is a lockout!!!

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 12:18 AM

I'd love to see all the big-name NHL players bolt to the KHL for a season, then have some stay when the NHL does resume.


Why? Do you watch a lot of KHL hockey or are you currently living in Russia? If so then an NHL lockout is pbbly great news for you because you will definitely get to see lots of NHL talent in the Kontinental league. I doubt NHL stars will stay in the KHL after the lockout ends. I don't recall any staying the last time.
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Posted 26 August 2012 - 12:26 AM

There is no doubt in mind the NHL season will not start on time. There will definitely be a lockout and at least 2 months of no hockey. Fehr is a very tough guy to negotiate with, he was in charge of MLB players union when they lost a season and world series.

I don't expect negotiations to get serious until players start to go without pay checks and put pressure on the union execs to get a deal done.

I would not be surprised if we lost a whole season.
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Posted 26 August 2012 - 09:28 AM

For me it comes down to the fact that the players are willing to play out the next season under the current deal and continue negotiating. It's the owners playing hardball and risking the lockout.

I mean at least give it a try before you use the nuclear option and maybe cancel another season. It just seems inconceivable to me that the owners would risk that after they already got the major concession of a salary cap last time. I agree that a salary cap was worth the last lockout. I like the parity and even playing field and it had to be done to ensure the longterm health of the league. An extra slice of the pie isn't worth the risk of a wasted year.

As much as we may hate that the players earn ridiculous salaries, they deserve a fair share of the revenue for creating the product, and the owners deserve a fair share as well for providing the infrastructure. The fans make it all possible though, without us there is no money, so we deserve to be treated fairly as well. There has to be a way to make this work without disrespecting the fans by endangering the season.

Well of course the players love the current deal so they would play under it for years while they 'negotiate' like they have during the last season. Why don't the players play under the offer of the NHL, on a temporary basis, while the negotiations go on? Now that would show that they really want to play-- won't happen! Fehr is just as much a rat as Bettman.
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Posted 26 August 2012 - 10:51 AM

There is no doubt in mind the NHL season will not start on time. There will definitely be a lockout and at least 2 months of no hockey. Fehr is a very tough guy to negotiate with, he was in charge of MLB players union when they lost a season and world series.

I don't expect negotiations to get serious until players start to go without pay checks and put pressure on the union execs to get a deal done.

I would not be surprised if we lost a whole season.


Ding ding ding! Someone gets it!

Fehr led the MLBPA on a strike that led to the cancellation of the World Series, an event that has much more fans and media around the world interested. Fehr was willing to absorb that "black eye" for the MLBPA.

Fehr is under much less media and fan scrutiny when it comes to the NHL, especially considering the league just lost an entire season under ten years ago. Fehr is about playing hardball. What pressure is he under if the league misses a few games or a season? None, because that precedent has already been reached. A few Canadians will get butthurt, but Fehr's taken much more heat from the American media/fans as well as international. Canadian fans/media won't faze Fehr.
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Posted 26 August 2012 - 11:39 AM

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Small group meeting in NYC on Tues. Bettman, Daly and the Fehr brothers. Eco issues the focus. NHL likely to present another proposal.
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Posted 26 August 2012 - 11:56 AM

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Small group meeting in NYC on Tues. Bettman, Daly and the Fehr brothers. Eco issues the focus. NHL likely to present another proposal.


Well, at least they're doing something. I wonder if Bettman and the Owners will offer the players 44% instead of 43%. :S

Edited by Mr. S, 26 August 2012 - 11:56 AM.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 01:27 PM

Why all this hate against Bettman? What's wrong with him trying to get a fair deal for his employers? Why not the same hate against Fehr?
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Posted 26 August 2012 - 02:42 PM

^There's a difference between trying to get a good deal for the owners and being a complete ignorant donkey and forcing the hundreds of players out of work despite them willing to take a paycut for the better of the league.
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Posted 26 August 2012 - 03:28 PM

Why all this hate against Bettman? What's wrong with him trying to get a fair deal for his employers? Why not the same hate against Fehr?

Where have you been for the last 20 years or so? Just google Bettmans name and start reading you'll find the reasons for the hate very quickly. A lockout should be a last resort not a first strike weapon, Fehr isn't hated because he hasn't done anything to piss off the fans (yet), Bettman has been gleefully doing that since 94.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 04:44 PM

Bettman fights to keep these weak market teams like Phoenix. Rich teams are sick of dumping money into these teams. The players know that if they and the owners both help with revenue sharing. Teams like Phoenix might not be for sale every 6 months. Bettman is saying it's because players make to much money so they should be on the hook for these weak teams, not the owners. The owners aren't getting what they want, neither are the players and the fans. He needs "dead in the water" teams. He has no leverage without them. Bettman build a system that he can control and manipulate. People are actually stupid enough to pay him to do it to.




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Posted 26 August 2012 - 10:25 PM

NHL, NHLPA set to resume CBA negotiations on Tuesday:

The scene is shifting to New York City.


After collective bargaining agreement talks between the NHL and the players association ended with little or no progress last week in Toronto, the two sides are again set to meet on Tuesday, and, according to TSN Insider Darren Dreger, the league is likely to present another offer.


The last time the two sides met was Wednesday and Thursday, and the meetings on both days were cut short.


NHL commissioner Gary Bettman and deputy commissioner Bill Daly, along with NHLPA head Donald Fehr and his brother Steve Fehr, the union's No. 2 man, are expected to discuss core economic issues.


Both sides have blocked off the rest of the week for negotiations.


The NHL has set a Sept. 15 deadline to have a new CBA. If no agreement is reached, they have said they will lock out the players.


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=403936
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Posted 26 August 2012 - 10:37 PM

NHL, NHLPA set to resume CBA negotiations on Tuesday:

The scene is shifting to New York City.


After collective bargaining agreement talks between the NHL and the players association ended with little or no progress last week in Toronto, the two sides are again set to meet on Tuesday, and, according to TSN Insider Darren Dreger, the league is likely to present another offer.


The last time the two sides met was Wednesday and Thursday, and the meetings on both days were cut short.


NHL commissioner Gary Bettman and deputy commissioner Bill Daly, along with NHLPA head Donald Fehr and his brother Steve Fehr, the union's No. 2 man, are expected to discuss core economic issues.


Both sides have blocked off the rest of the week for negotiations.


The NHL has set a Sept. 15 deadline to have a new CBA. If no agreement is reached, they have said they will lock out the players.


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=403936



Lol, I read that hours ago. I should do your thing and post whatever I read. I don't mean that as a bad thing, most of what you contribute brings discussion.

It's about time these two sides decided to commit themselves. Watching this unravel seems more like pandering from the NHLPA to convince fans and players that the season can start on time.
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Posted 26 August 2012 - 10:39 PM

Lol, I read that hours ago. I should do your thing and post whatever I read. I don't mean that as a bad thing, most of what you contribute brings discussion.

It's about time these two sides decided to commit themselves. Watching this unravel seems more like pandering from the NHLPA to convince fans and players that the season can start on time.


Hey, can we still sign for the petition to bring back Kristin Reid? :P
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Posted 26 August 2012 - 10:42 PM

Hey, can we still sign for the petition to bring back Kristin Reid? :P


gotcha, :).
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