Michigan passes bill allowing concealed weapons in schools, day care centers, stadiums, churches

[dudeone]

Oklahoma Will Consider Law Allowing Teachers To Bring Guns To School

http://thinkprogress...guns-to-school/

By Zack Beauchamp on Dec 18, 2012 at 10:10 am

Teachers and principals may soon be packing heat in the classroom, if Oklahoma State Rep. Mark McCullough ® has his way. According to a report by The Oklahoman, the lawmaker “pledged to introduce legislation in the upcoming session to allow principals and teachers who go through training to be able to carry firearms on school property.” McCullough made the now-familiar argument that people intent on mass shootings are unlikely to follow the law:

This sacrosanct notion that we cannot do anything but have gun-free zones is just a fallacy.

What we’re dealing with here is people who don’t care. They’ve erased their moral compass. They don’t care about the law, and they are intent on horrific acts.

Oklahoma’s teachers appear to disagree. Ed Allen, president of the Oklahoma City American Federation of Teachers, told The Oklahoman that “Schools can be emotional places at times. Kids can get emotional. Teachers can get emotional. Parents come in emotional. Throw weapons into that mix, and it can be dangerous.” Research backs Allen up: there is very little support for the idea that concealed carry decreases gun homicides, and significant evidence that increasing the spread of guns leads to more death.

Several other state legislatures are considering similar legislation, cheered on by a number ofRepublicans and pro-gun activists.

[Harbinger]

If no government was worried about facing an abundance of small arms amongst the populace, they wouldn't try so hard to disarm them first.

Historically, oppressive governments always try to monopolize the use of force and remove all the obvious internal threats before really clamping down.

[dudeone]

Rick Perry Responds To Connecticut Shooting: Let Teachers Carry Concealed Weapons

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/12/18/1350361/rick-perry-responds-to-connecticut-shooting-let-teachers-carry-concealed-weapons/

By Igor Volsky on Dec 18, 2012 at 9:06 am

By Igor Volsky on Dec 18, 2012 at 9:06

Texas governor and former GOP presidential candidate Rick Perry became the highest-rankingRepublican official to throw his support behind arming teachers and administrators in the aftermath of the tragic shooting in Sandy Hook elementary school.

During a Tea Party event in North Richland Hills, Texas, Perry “urged legislators to look at ways to improve safety at schools” and examine mental health issues, but insisted that local districts — and not the state or federal government — “should be allowed to decide their own gun policies”:

Local school districts should decide their own policies, Perry said. But if someone has obtained a concealed-handgun license, he said, “

you should be able to carry your handgun anywhere in this state

.” He clarified that private property owners should be allowed to impose their own restrictions. [...]

Some school districts across the state already allow school personnel to carry guns.

When Perry talked about how he had read about one district allowing teachers, administrators and others to carry weapons, he was interrupted by loud applause from the crowd.

[...]

“One of the things that I hope we don’t see from our federal government is this knee-jerk reaction from Washington, D.C., when there is an event that occurs, that they come in and they think they know the answer,” he said.

Since the shooting, a growing number of lawmakers with high ratings from the National Rifle Association (NRA) have come out for sensible gun safety regulations, though some local lawmakers are arguing that had teachers or administrators been armed, Friday’s massacre could have been avoided. Legislators in Oklahoma, South Dakota, and Nevada are considering the option.

[Tearloch7]

If no government was worried about facing an abundance of small arms amongst the populace, they wouldn't try so hard to disarm them first.

Historically, oppressive governments always try to monopolize the use of force and remove all the obvious internal threats before really clamping down.

[Tearloch7]

Really? You KNOW where my opinions are formed? or are you just guessing or generalizing?

[Heretic]

I am making an educated guess based on your 11,000+ posts .. I would say not all of your opinions are based on your religious beliefs .. some come directly from your bowels ..

[Harbinger]

I never thought it would be so fun to attack the NRA on their facebook page. LMAO

[Scott Hartnell's Mane]

Well...that shatters that - thought you were scientific, anyone scientific would KNOW that opinions come from a person's mind.

Also, I doubt you've even read half of my posts.

In other words,

[Heretic]

Emotions like love and hate and anger and jealousy also come from the mind...nothing more than neural functions..and FWIW...I'd wager TL probably HAS read half your posts.

[Tearloch7]

Well...that shatters that - thought you were scientific, anyone scientific would KNOW that opinions come from a person's mind.

Also, I doubt you've even read half of my posts.

In other words,

[Heretic]

My goodness but I just LOVE that "Meter" .. it looks like something someone would use to rate a random set of religious beliefs .. look close .. it directly reflects the mind-set required to accept some tenets .. many of my responses are based on emotion or I would go bananas and start to secretly plan a way to end Civilization as we know it ..

[Tearloch7]

Only way that could possibly happen is if he had a different account before, was banned, and is on his second (or third).

In other words, he hasn't been here long enough for his current account to have read half my posts - maybe half of the ones since he joined...and even that's a stretch...

[Scott Hartnell's Mane]

Only way that could possibly happen is if he had a different account before, was banned, and is on his second (or third).

In other words, he hasn't been here long enough for his current account to have read half my posts - maybe half of the ones since he joined...and even that's a stretch...

[Heretic]

No...he could also have been incredibly bored, or drunk, or any other possibility...just because in YOUR mind that is the only possible scenario doesn't mean it couldn't happen otherwise.

[Scott Hartnell's Mane]

Or, based on his last post, my hypothesis was correct.

BTW, I didn't say it was the ONLY possible scenario.

Care to live by that statement by the way? If not, stop judging others that way.

[Heretic]

Dude yes you DID just say that "the only way it could happen is" blah blah blah...lol You did just get done saying that it was "the only way this could happen was"...read your own post.

[woofwoofmoomoo]

If no government was worried about facing an abundance of small arms amongst the populace, they wouldn't try so hard to disarm them first.

Historically, oppressive governments always try to monopolize the use of force and remove all the obvious internal threats before really clamping down.

[Bertuzzi Babe]

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[Tearloch7]

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[Wetcoaster]

Some interesting comparisons on buying a gun versus other actions in various states.

11 Things Harder to Get Than Guns: Abortion, Drugs & More

The Newtown tragedy has once again forced a national conversation on gun control laws and the sale of assault weapons.

Needless to say, it’s always been a contentious issue. The Second Amendment protects the right of U.S. citizens to keep and bear arms. Federal law requires gun owners to be 21 and to submit to a background check before any licensed dealer (though not a private seller) is allowed to sell them a firearm. Which means, based on age alone, it’s easier to buy cigarettes, to vote, or join the Army than it is to buy a gun.

But any regulations beyond the federal limits are up to each state, hence the complicated and inconsistent nature of gun laws across the U.S. Many states don’t require permits to purchase handguns and long guns or licenses to carry them. Concealed weapons are even permitted in schools, workplaces, and churches in certain locales.

In fact, based on certain criteria (and nuances), procuring a gun—whether a handgun or an assault rifle—requires less effort and time than it does to acquire or access a number of other products or services that are subject to legal oversight. The Daily Beast compared the difficulty of acquiring a weapon with that of accessing or using other restricted or bureaucratic services and procedures like having an abortion and getting a driver’s license. Here’s what we found:

In Missouri, it can take less time to buy a gun than get an abortion.

According to state law, a woman wanting an abortion must see a counselor and complete a mandatory 24-hour waiting period before receiving an abortion. There's no mandatory waiting period for wannabe gun owners.

In Iowa, it’s easier to sell a gun than it is to sell lemonade.

Technically, food vendors in some parts of the state need a business permit and food license to sell food, even from a residential location. Gun vendors don’t need state licenses to sell guns, and inspections by police are not allowed.

In Arkansas, it takes less time to buy a gun than to qualify for food stamps.

The approval process for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (food stamps) in Arkansas normally runs 30 days, though it can be expedited in seven. The background check to buy a gun from a licensed dealer can be completed in minutes, or at most three days.

In Texas, it takes less training to get a gun than a driver’s license if you’re under 25.

Adults between 18 and 24 are required to take a driver education course, as well as knowledge and driving tests, before they can be issued a license. To buy a gun in the state, potential owners need only show proof of identity and age.

In Arizona, you need a permit to cut hair, but not to carry a concealed weapon.

Arizona is one of three states (Vermont and Alaska are the others) that do not require residents to have a permit for a concealed weapon. To cut hair, however, one needs to get a barber’s license and fulfill 1,500 hours of instruction.

In Georgia, you can carry a gun into a state park—but not alcohol.

In Indiana, it costs more to get a marriage license than to get a gun license.

The application for a four-year handgun license is $10. The application for marriage when at least one person is a state resident is $18. Out-of-state residents must pay $60 for a marriage-license application.

In Florida, you must submit fingerprints to be a substitute teacher, but not to buy or carry a gun.

In Kansas, the theft of drugs is more regulated than the theft of guns.

At least as far as mandated reporting goes, that is. Health-care facilities and pharmacies are required to report the loss or theft of controlled substances, but individual gun owners are not required to report the theft or loss of a firearm. Only seven states and Washington, D.C. require the reporting of gun loss/theft.

In Mississippi, a driver’s license has a shorter shelf life than a concealed-weapon permit.

A new license will expire after four years, while a concealed-weapon permit for a handgun will expire after five years. Mississippi extended its laws restricting concealed firearms last year, allowing residents to carry concealed weapons in churches, courthouses, schools, and airports as long as they received eight hours of additional training.

In parts of New Mexico, it’s more convenient to buy a gun than a pet.

In some parts of New Mexico, pet store sales of cats and dogs are illegal (in order to stop fueling puppy mills and kitten factories), but firearms are stocked at local Walmarts.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/17/11-things-harder-to-get-than-guns-abortion-drugs-more.html