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Didn't Hall have drug problems linked around him throughout his career? Not sure thats the guy I want riding shotgun with Bedard
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I could see Dumba signing a short term 1 or 2 year deal with us at like 3 million to see if he can rebound his career by playing next to Hughes. Then once the cap rises substantially in 1 or 2 years he can secure the bag again but not with us (if he pans out). Everyone saying he's gonna get another 6x6 or 4.5x5 are out to lunch.
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Wrap this thread up!
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Hopefully Kings overpay!!!
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12 minutes ago, billabong said:
That’s one 3rd line center off the board
Friedman mentioned Oreilly for the Canucks but I just can’t see it
blueger or accari make more sense on a 3 yr deal around 1.5-2m deal
If we somehow snagged O'Reilly... One can dream
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If we could get Soucy around 3.5 on a 4 year deal we are laughing.
Soucy-Hronek
Makes for a really strong pairing.
This is just a bonus but he does fight!!!
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4 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:
Which is what we have all been saying. They didn't just buy out OEL and not have a concrete plan in place. They have moves in place they want to make. Now it's all about execution.
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22 minutes ago, Jaimito said:
They are going to go hard after Barbashev, which I'm fine with (only if they move Garland or Boeser) If they could get Barbashev on a 5x5 I'd do that deal. You would basically be swapping out Garland's 5 million for Barbashev who is 6'2 200 and has 2 cups. Barbashev has that hard nose skill we lack. These are the types of deals you do.
Mikheyev-Petey-Kuz (speed and high skill line)
Barbashev-Miller-Boeser (hard skill and can throw the body. Two big wingers to get in on the forecheck to battle. Boeser has improved in this area)
Beauvillier-________-Hoglander (speed and hard on the puck. Will give complimently scoring ability)
Joshua-Aman-PDG (cheap, hard working 4th line)
Let Podkolzin cook in the AHL till the TDL. Then maybe trade Beauvillier and Pods slides in. Also injuries will happen
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1 minute ago, Alflives said:
Schneider really struggled when called on to play important minutes. Maybe we already have a guy in Woo who is as good as Schneider? And Woo is a much more physical player than Schneider. He’s more like Trouba.
Hard to struggle with Hughes when he always has the puck! Worst case if he struggles then we put him down on the 3rd pair and throw Schenn next to Hughes. Thing with Schneider is it was his second season in the league last year. Everyone remember Hughes 2nd season? Podkolzin? Hoglander? 2nd seasons can be brutal but I have the confidence he will be able to find his way. If we could go Hoglander straight up for him I think it is a no-brainer for the Canucks. He's only 21.
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20 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:
It is expensive and that sucks, but I'm glad they're cleaning house and taking steps to make this team good again. There will also be some trades. Excited to see what the D looks like next season.
The whole team could look quite different, looks like Kuzmenko is working hard training. He gets it. And I'm sure there are a lot of other Canucks already training and focusing on next season. I'm expecting a very determined Pettersson and Hughes, and Tocchet will have the team ready.
Hughes - ?
? - Hronek
Brisebois/Wolanin - Myers
Demko-Silovs
If I was GM I would let Bear walk and then look at Soucy (UFA 6'5 210) to play next to Hronek. He would most likely cost 3.5 on a multi year deal. From there I would trade for Hughes partner. I'd look strongly to see if we could do a Braden Schneider (6'3 210) for Nils Hoglander + deal (the Rangers are apparently high on Hoglander). Bring Luke Schenn (6'2 230) back 2 years 2 million. Luke would really help insulate Hirose on the 3rd pair and could take a good chunk of PK minutes with Soucy.
Hughes-Schneider
Soucy-Hronek
Hirose-Schenn
We are much bigger and physical on the back end, yet have puck movers that can create plays and jump up into the rush. Schneider is a 1 million for next season and then we could bridge him for 3 years while we deal with the OEL high dead money years. Hirose is league minimum and Schenn is on the cheap. Important to note we would then have 3RHD and 3LHD so nobody has to play their offside. Bear is too soft and redundant. We need guys with some jam that can play it rough and tough.
Finally from there I'd try and grab Laughton off of PHI. Garland + ? He'd be a great 3C and would help out our PK.
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5 minutes ago, KyGuy123 said:
This makes me think we are trading our 1st round pick for a LHD on a cap strapped team. I’m thinking KA’Miller from the rangers and Lafrenier in a huge blockbuster.
Sign me up if we getting a 6'5 220 LHD who is 23
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I wonder about a UFA player like Carson Soucy. Have always thought highly of him when I've watched him play. He's 6'5 210. Would maybe cost us 3 million? Seattle fans help me out here? Is he a bottom pairing guy or could he play next to Hronek
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Not really all the surprising.
This was pretty much their only option. Adding picks to move Garland would have been crazy. At least our blue line after next season looks a whole lot more promising.
Hughes- xxx
xxx- Hronek
Bring in two players that are tough to play against and more shutdown two-way D and we look pretty good.
Cap will be going up substantially and and Myers and Pearson off the books next season same with Beauvillier. We are fine. Just need to be smart about how we allocate our money now as we cant afford any more mistakes. I'd pay our top four heavy and then our bottom pair should basically be league minimum ex. Hirose and Schenn or players like that.
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Just now, Coconuts said:Was more referencing what management is likely to do with the cap space, they'll likely spend it.
I hope they try and poach someone from a cap strapped team as opposed to chasing someone in UFA though. Assuming we actually buy OEL out.
They definitely have deals lined up since they have decided to buy him out. They needed the cap space to pull off whatever they have in the works. Just my opinion tho.
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Thought he should have given him 1 more year to see how he was completely healthy and played under Tocc. Now we have to bring in a left shot D that can play top 4 because Myers will be gone as well
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some of these calls against FLA are mind blowing
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Just glad he didn't come here. Watched him closely with LA in playoffs and didn't think he was anything special.
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I could see
To Canucks 19th, CHI 2nd rounder + OTT second rounder this year
To Hawks - Boeser + 11th
CHI has 4 second round picks. Boeser cap is high but can play with Bedard and is only 2 seasons. Canucks get much needed second round picks
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14 minutes ago, Odd. said:
Boeser @ ~ $1.0M retained for Lafreniere, a 3rd round pick and Goodrow.
Boeser would slot right on the 2nd line RW position. They get a 55-60 point winger, who is 26 and fits with their core, and they will ultimately save about $1.5-2M on the cap factoring in Lafreniere not signing.
Since we would actually be taking back more cap, we get a 3rd round pick back.
We would then have 3 3rd round picks. We can use those picks to move out Garland and Myers. Beauvillier gets traded at the deadline.
Lafreniere/Pettersson/Kuzmenko
Mikheyev/Miller/Hoglander
Beauvillier/Goodrow/Podkolzin
Joshua/______/________
I like this idea. Although not over the moon about Goodrow's 3.6 mill for 4 more seasons. He's 30. Guess you got to give to get and if we could move Boeser and Garland while getting (for the most part) cheaper and younger you take it.
27 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:To Vancouver:
Alexis Lafreniere
Barclay Goodrow
2024 2nd round pick
To NY Rangers:
2023 1st round pick
This is contingent on the Canucks being able to trade Garland to fit Goodrow and Lafreniere in. Beauvillier would have to go too. Would the first overall pick in 2020 be better value that the 11th pick this year? Plus, we get a 3C/4C in Goodrow and get back a 2nd round pick...
This frees up cap space for the Rangers to sign their guys...
Kuzmenko Pettersson Mikheyev
Lafreniere Miller Boeser
Podkolzin Goodrow Kravtsov
Joshua Aman UFA
PDG
I'm open to trading the 11th overall pick, but for me Schneider is a must if we do deal with NYR.
A solid top four of
Hughes-Schneider
OEL-Hronek
Greatly improves our chances of making the playoffs. Plus our right side would be completely reconstructed with two players under 26.
I'd do:
To NYR: 11th overall + Hoglander (who they desperately wanted for Kravtsov)
To Van: Lafreniere + Schneider + Goodrow
Why We do it - take a chance of former 1st overall pick who hasn't played up to expectations for 3 seasons now. Exactly the type of player JR said he would target. Play him with Petey and see if he breaks out. We also get a young throwback type RHD 6'3 210. Perfect longterm partner for Hughes. Goodrow will give us a 3rd line C with leadership and PK. Although overpaid and 30 he helps us get the other two .
Why NYR does it - they clear Goodrow's 4 years at 3.6 which is important for them cap wise. They get a coveted young fast player in Hoglander who would be cheap and play their hard on the puck style. They get the 11th overall pick in a deep draft where they could either select a young promising player that would help them cap wise or trade that pick to get an impact player for next season and keep their window open .0 points in 7 playoffs games in first round vs NJD for LAF. Move him while there is value. They cant afford to pay Schneider after next season.
Breakdown
Laf for 11th (he's not even worth that for his play to date, but you roll the dice for upside)
Hoggy for Schneider and capdump Goodrow
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25 minutes ago, mll said:
The Seravalli quote from the article. Sounds like Vancouver knows it's going to cost them to move those big contracts.Frank Seravalli: I think the next step, before you can even think about being aggressive [in acquiring players], is to aggressively shed contracts and garner cap space. I’ll give you a little preview, supposed to mention tomorrow on my show that one of the news items that I had is that the Canucks have actually somewhat aggressively been in talks with some teams to at least understand the prices of what it would cost to unload a contract or two. I think a lot of the focus has actually been on Conor Garland, in specific. But I also think Patrik Allvin, in the conversations that I’ve heard of, has been very open-minded in … ‘let me understand what all the prices are first before I make a decision on exactly it’s gonna be.’ So, they have engaged in talks and it’s certainly something that’s on everyone’s radar. My understanding was, to this point, that the Canucks have found the prices to be very high.
Seravalli added that the Canucks have very little leverage in their negotiations involving Garland or any other high-priced players, and that they’ll likely have to part with high draft picks in any deal involving big cap hits going out the door.
I think a lot of this type of stuff is smoke. Boeser and Garland are overpaid sure, but they are quality NHL players who are supposedly hitting their "prime" years. It's not like they're 33 and have 3 years left on their contracts and simply just can't play.
Teams will be willing to make a "hockey trade" and take a chance on these types of players.
If I'm the Canucks I'm trading both Boeser and Garland this summer. We need to be cheap on the wings and invest our money up the middle and on our top 4 defence.
Beauvillier-Petey-Kuzy
Mikheyev-Miller-Hoglander
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And people think we have to retain on Garland and Boeser. It is most likely that management won't give them away for nothing and actually want assets in return.