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    Nikolaj Ehlers

    in Canucks Talk

    Posted · Edited by NucksCup2015

    Did you read the comment right or did you not read the stats right, go back read both carefully before looking like giant a hole.

    wasnt calling you a troll, was responding to your point to the troll who was saying Ehlers doesn't score without Drouin

    Nikolaj Ehlers

    in Canucks Talk

    Posted · Edited by NucksCup2015

    BMac said that?

    I've been saying the same :)

    but ehlers if not

    our 6th is very easy to move up with if we package right, we should be able to get into the top 3 with a trade that works for both teams

    if you look at the teams above us in the top 3(other than buffalo) both edmonton and fla have no need for PURE offensive young players right now (size, vets, defense would be more useful for them especially if they only move a few spots), don't forget both those teams need to start winning NOW

    1. Florida has new ownership and that team has been failing they don't want to see that place empty anymore and they already have a nice stable of young talent but they need vets. Does drafting first really mean that much to them if they can still get a quality player at 6 and a valuable vet (Edler etc) as well as the 6th - no it doesn't

    2. Buffalo wont move, they want their pick

    3. Edmonton has drafted so much talent but look where they are? still worse than an aging nucks team. They need vets before that team busts from too much losing and the fans stop coming, you can't sell the future forever, they are running out of time with their fans. Ekblad for sure for them but if he's gone, then same issue likely willing to trade down for 6.

    4. Calgary needs the pick, lacks the stable of talent

    5. NYI - also in need of vets moving to a new building and Tavares is getting pissed off, they need to start winning too

    Best outcome in my view

    Edler, Gaunce, our first

    Florida

    Campbell, their first and second

    Deal with Buffalo

    Hansen, Florida second, and our first and second in 2015 and our agreement not to take Ekblad for their first in 2015

    And before you bark about 2015 think about this

    Buffalo gets

    1. Hansen

    2. Ekblad guaranteed

    3. First pick in the second round this year

    4. Two firsts next year as they will get the Isles pick (the isles will take theirs this year they have to, otherwise they tell their fan base they expect to miss the playoffs next year) and our pick and two picks in the second.

    Simply for their first next year....that's alot!

    Take Reinhart and Mcdavid next year ;)

    Nikolaj Ehlers

    in Canucks Talk

    Posted

    If Ritchie was as great as many here like to praise him for, why is it not his name that is being mentioned by Tallon? Why is he not a no brainer pick for Mr. Trucalent Brian Burke?

    Oh that's right, there is risk with him too! there is risk w every player folks!

    People who want Ritchie seem to be implying no risk with him simply because he has size, well I don't think we want Alex Stojanov do we? Wouldn't we rather have Markus Naslund?

    And NO I am not saying he is Stojanov, I am simply drawing people to the simple fact that there are no guarantees with size or lack thereof

    Brendan Gaunce | C/LW

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    Posted · Edited by NucksCup2015

    Friesen played 54 games, I wouldn't call that barely getting any action... and you know the reason he missed time was because he was injured multiple times, right? Not because he couldn't crack the lineup. Plus he had 18 points in his last 20 games once he got healthy and developed some chemistry. I wouldn't count him out yet, if he can bring that kind of play consistently next season it'll be tough to keep ignoring him.

    Gaunce, Cassels, and Horvat all have higher potential though. Its tough to say at this point where they'll land until they see some pro action - the AHL/NHL is a big step up from junior. All have the tools to be 1st line centres in the OHL but none of them were drafted based on their raw offensive talent so I do think its more accurate to say they'll likely fall in the 2nd-3rd line role at the pro level. But what do I know, development matters more than their current potential.

    good to hear about Friesen, I wasn't aware of that. When they drafted him, seemed like the perfect 3/4th line player, heart, fast, gritty...and ever understood why he wasn't making the jump, nice to see he ended the year well and hopefully can push for a spot with the big club next year...

    hmm is he only 5'9? I thought he's 5'11?

    Nikolaj Ehlers

    in Canucks Talk

    Posted

    If we don't take a risk on Ehlers, it could be a while before we have a chance at drafting a center with skill unless we tank next season as well. So there's that angle as well.

    Then again, I would question the necessity of such a player: when is the last time you saw a center like Ehlers lead a team to the Stanley Cup?

    Outside of Crosby & the 2009 Penguins (supported by Malkin and Staal - 6'3" and 6'4" respectively), the last time a team with a small but skilled #1 center was Anaheim in 2007 with Andy McDonald. Perhaps you can make an argument for Krejci (6'0" 188lbs) if Ehlers grows.

    I think a lot of it depends on Ehlers's defensive play and his physicality. If he can play defense and somewhat physically like Krejci, I think Ehlers might be worth the pick over Ritchie.

    now you're getting my point in your first sentence....other issue is Ehlers is a LW not a center (same size as another famous LW sniper we had a few years back)

    :)

    Nikolaj Ehlers

    in Canucks Talk

    Posted · Edited by NucksCup2015

    I agree that Ehlers is talented, but he's not 6th overall talented. Especially considering that we play in the West.

    Firstly, I don't think comparing Giroux's stats to Ehlers' proves anything. Giroux wasn't even in the top 10 in scoring the season he scored 103 points in the QMJHL (2006) while this season (2014) Ehlers was 4th in league scoring with just 104 points. This disparity can be explained in two different ways:

    1) that scoring was just as difficult in 2006 as 2014, but the talent level in the QMJHL in 2006 was higher than 2014. This would mean Giroux faced tougher competition to score roughly the same amount of points and thus his points should be valued more than Ehlers's.

    OR

    2) that the talent level in the QMJHL is about the same in 2006 and 2014, but scoring was a lot more difficult in 2014 than in 2006. This would mean Ehlers scored more goals despite it being tougher to score in the league and thus his points should be vahlued more than giroux's.

    Not sure which is the case (or it could be a combination of both), but it goes to show you can't really compare Giroux's numbers from 2006 to Ehlers in 2014 then say they are equal in skill. IMO 8 years apart in a junior league means it may as well be a different league.

    Another point is that this compares their draft years. A lot can happen since then, and nobody could have predicted Giroux to become what he is today, and for every Giroux, there's hundreds who range from serviceable NHLers to complete flops. In other words, even if Ehlers's points being identical to Giroux's supports your claim that Ehlers right now is the same as Giroux pre-draft day, there is a very slim chance Ehlers will become someone like Giroux - a top-5 scorer in this league (3rd this season).

    Lastly, I don't think Giroux would be who he is if he played out in the West, which is where we play. In particular, the Pacific is dominated by big men down the middle - Getzlaf, Kopitar, Carter, Thornton, Kesler - heck even Henrik is 6'2". Giroux would not be scoring all those points if he had to go up against the players in the West IMO. In the West, Giroux would be (at best) a better version of Logan Couture, but nothing like his dominant self in the East. See the transition of Mike Richards from Philadelphia to LA. I think you can expect similar drop off and decrease in role for Giroux if he came to the West.

    So I think Ehlers, for his sake, should be drafted by an Eastern conference team. I am not doubting his skills or size - he can play in the NHL and be a serviceable player. But you never know what will happen in the future, and fact is that we do need that #1 center with elite skill.

    It'll be a tough decision between Ehlers and Ritchie if the top 5 (Ekblad, Reinhart, Bennett, Draisaitl and Dal Colle) are gone. If we don't take a risk on Ehlers, it could be a while before we have a chance at drafting a center with skill unless we tank next season as well.

    Then again, I would question the necessity of such a player. Outside of the 2009 Penguins with Sidney Crosby, last time a team with a small skilled #1 center was Anaheim in 2007 with Andy Macdonald (and the Penguins had Malkin and Staal - 6'3" and 6'4" respectively). When's the last time you saw a guy like that lead a team to the Stanley Cup? Giroux doesn't have one yet. Sidney, with all his talent, only has one. I think we need more guys like Horvat, not Ehlers to win.

    please re-read my post and try to comprehend what I am saying you are misinterpreting about 100% of it

    Nikolaj Ehlers

    in Canucks Talk

    Posted

    Rather than massaging the numbers to whatever argument you want to make, I thought it made a lot of sense to watch the guy actually play. And thanks to Smash's link, I was able to watch Ehlers extensively throughout the Mooseheads' last series. This viewing all but confirmed my thoughts on him.

    He is a notch below Drouin in terms of skill, without a doubt. This is fine. This was expected. Drouin was a top-3 pick the year prior. Ehlers is ranked 13th in a softer draft now.

    But the question is Ehlers skilled enough to be considered top-6 in this draft regardless of what scouts think? I saw flashes of skill and speed definitely, but more often I saw him being nullified on the boards, floating up ice too often, and turning over the puck too much. He's nicest-looking on the powerplay, where he has more room, and that will be the norm for him immediately. That's fine again. But I think the 13th overall ranking is fair.

    I think we have to consider that there are indeed better players available at 6th overall for us. Certainly ones without the weight risk. Certainly ones who backcheck a bit harder, don't turn over the puck as often, or even hit guys the odd time. Ehlers' skill isn't quite at the level where we can simply overlook all those factors.

    I think we should just trust the scouts.

    turnover the puck? do you have his corsi and fenwick numbers?

    backcheck? he's a plus 65

    A PLUS 65

    I am sorry but keep trying to bash a player and then pretend you're being objective.

    You watched him hey? but you make up points without stats to back it up

    Floater and yet he's a plus 65, thats not a plus 6 man its 65!

    Nikolaj Ehlers

    in Canucks Talk

    Posted · Edited by NucksCup2015

    He's plainly not at Sakic's or Giroux's talent-level either, from what I've seen. But if we're talking about the career progression of Giroux, it should be noted that he plays in perhaps the friendliest environment for him to have success. Philly plays that wide-open style. They have big guys for him to play with. etc.

    I mean Ehlers will never be Giroux, but he should perhaps go to a team in the east that will play an appropiate style for him to succeed in. Like Grabner and post-injury Raymond.

    really? can you please inform the crowd here how may points Giroux put up in his rookie year in the q and subsequent years his size and weight at draft year

    and then can you tell me the same for Ehlers?

    Thanks

    Oh here I'll help you

    Giroux

    2005-2006 69 GP, 39 goals, 64 assists, 103 pts

    2006-2007 63 GP, 48 goals, 64 assists, 112 pts

    5'11 172 CURRENTLY

    Ehlers

    2013-2014 63 GP, 49 goals, 55 assists, 104 pts

    5'11 176 CURRENTLY (according to our friend above who called the Mooseheads)

    Yes you are right, he is no where near as talented as Giroux

    WOW

    Same league, same size, same points

    but ya no where near as talented

    Please dont go into any career where logic matters.

    and 31st time, OUR PROSPECT POOL HAS BIG GUYS FOR HIM TO PLAY WITH IF THAT'S YOUR ISSUE

    again!!!this kid (whomever we draft) wont be ready for 3-4 years not step in now and solve our current issues

    so therefore look at the size of our prospect pool and evaluate what its needs are not todays!!!!

    geez

    I actually don't care who people 'want' to be honest, just tired of seeing people troll with misinformation and hyperbole to support their views of who they want vs being objective.

    its alright to say hey i've seen ritchie play and like him and would prefer the nucks draft him, that doesn't mean or logically follow that Ehlers is not an elite talent, it means you prefer the nucks build their team in a different manner than I, this is fine.

    But so many here are arguing he's not talented, he's steve kariya, he's soft lol...really all they are doing is trolling

    Nikolaj Ehlers

    in Canucks Talk

    Posted

    I also forgot to add another fun fact about Ehlers and Drouin.

    The guys who want Ritchie also spun the non disprovable hyperbole about Ehlers playing with Drouin. Its difficult to disprove because how do you know the exact powerplay time or when you are behind late in a game you load up or what not. How much time is that together ?

    Its not a lot . The team was so stacked they didnt need to 'load up' as they won quite a bit. The amount of time they would need to do this is negligible. The power play numbers i would attribute both of them to helping each other. So its reasonable to assume Ehlers had help from Drouin and vice versa.

    To solve this, the Ehlers supporters just gave the doubters their way and looked for how Ehlers did without Drouin at all. Ehlers played 17 games this year without Drouin.

    He got 25 points in 17 games without him. Its not a full season but a fair chuck. Large enough to form an opinion.

    That translates into 93 points in 64 games. I have looked to see if Voracek had anyone else to play with and he had the same garden variety team as Ehlers did without Drouin. Not even a second round pick to play with.

    So at the same age and same team mates Ehlers outscored Voracek 93 to 86.

    As for his size, I went to NHL.com and even though the draft ranking are from March and therefore out of date, the bizarre thing is it has Ehlers at the 176 like I was informed, but only 5ft 10 ???? Nobody else has that . Not the scouts or anyone.

    So I went to the moosehead site where they would know a lot more than anyone else and it lists him as 5ft 11 but only 162 pounds which I attest to measuring him at age 17 right after he got off the plane from Denmark.

    So I went to the unusual extent to actually contact the Mooseheads directly . I talked to a guy in Halifax about this and he stated Ehlers is now 5ft 11.5 and 176 pounds. How he knew this to that kind of exact measure I have no idea.

    Ehlers will end up being at least 6'ft and 185-195 lbs which is more than big enough for the NHL

    When I was 17 I was 5'11 165 wet

    When I was 20 I was 6'2, 201 from growth and training

    My parents are 6'0 and 5'4

    If Ehler's family is tall (which I guarantee you scouts look into) he will grow, interesting how everyone assumes Subban will grow or hopes he will but not Ehlers lol

    It will be interesting to see how scouts may reposition their views post the combine on this kid, if he has grown and gained weight and shows well he will move much higher

    Nikolaj Ehlers

    in Canucks Talk

    Posted · Edited by NucksCup2015

    Crosby did it at age 16 though. Perhaps if Ehlers was 16, or even 17, he'd be more worthy of the hype.

    A 13th ranking is fair for what he's done. There are other prospects to consider.

    crosby also played at shattuck st mary's growing up (a hockey factory) and this was ehlers first year in a new country and smaller rinks and he was simply a year older

    and i was not comparing him to the level of talent of croby, the point AGAIN is that his talent is elite and the only reason he is lower in the rankings is because of the size bias of nhl scouts.

    again please review my points on sakic and giroux and try to comprehend them

    thanks

    Nikolaj Ehlers

    in Canucks Talk

    Posted · Edited by NucksCup2015

    The fully story never seems to arrive in these posts.

    Ehlers does a lot on the power play. He plays with Drouin on the power play. They also load up often and have played together lots in the playoffs. This is often ignored.

    Voracek was 17 when he logged 86pts. He also didn't have the luxury of playing 2nd fiddle to a top-drafted star like Drouin.

    NHL.com had him at 162 lbs 3wks ago. It also has him as 5'-10" now, meaning he either shrunk or there's little accuracy and much secrecy involved with the actual numbers leading up to the draft. But if you look using your eyeballs, you'll notice that he's small and he plays small too. Great in open ice, but not quite shifty enough against tight checking for deep in the zone unless he's on the power play. At least that's what I've noticed in that final series the Mooseheads were in, where I watched him extensively.

    Oh, NHL.com also ranks him 13th. Not even close to 6th.

    I'd be surprised if the Canucks took Ehlers that early. Same with Nylander. It will go against what Linden's been talking about thus far, for starters. Ritchie may be a 'big' option but there's concerns with injuries and intensity.

    NHL.com has Jake Virtanen ranked 6th, up from 9th. 6'-0" 199lbs. Perhaps the scouts know something here? Perhaps we should trust the scouts?

    Dale Tallon has also raved about this kid, thats the thing man, no one knows

    but we know this, alot of players have been said to be too small and taken later in the draft because scouts have the same size bias as many here

    and again, this guy is not Briere/St Louis small, he is Yzerman, Naslund, Sakic size and will grow

    the extreme views here are hilarious, small means he's steve kariya apparently, no small means he's not the 'optimal size' according to scouts approach to drafting which as we all know is highly imperfect.

    do you know why a Hall of Famer from Burnaby named Joe Sakic fell to 15 in his draft year? He was said to be too small at 5'11 and his numbers in the WHL would never translate to the NHL

    do you know why Claude Giroux fell to 20 something ish? Beacuse he was too small and played in the QMJHL a high scoring league and his numbers would never translate to the NHL

    Yes there are 1000's of players without optimal 6'1 200 lb size that failed being drafted high, as there are just as many players with optimal size who failed as well, but you can't teach talent buddy

    End of the day the draft is always a crap shoot, but remove the typical biases and think a bit, do you want to roll the dice on a kid with elite upside or average upside? because it is a dice roll

    if its average upside why wouldn't you take that later in the draft when the elite upside isn't available?

    and im sorry but anyone trying to claim a kid in the Q in his rookie year, and only kid since crosby to score as many points as a rookie does not have elite skill has never played hockey

    that is not luck, that is not being a beneficiary of other players (Drouin, who he doesn't play with regularly other than PP), its very easy to dismiss players as people here do so they can support their own views. As one poster mentioned be objective and look at what the kid could bring vs trying to suggest he doesn't have talent when all indications are clearly he does.

    The fact that Ehlers has elite skill cannot be argued, he has already proven it at the junior level, his point totals. People can argue that all they want but its a fact.

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    Nikolaj Ehlers

    in Canucks Talk

    Posted · Edited by NucksCup2015

    Your post mixes your own subjective beliefs with hyperbole . Lets stick to the facts.

    Nobody knows if Ehlers will score 60 goals or 10 goals a year.Nobody knows if he will turn into Matt Cooke or Kyle Wellwood .

    Odds are he is none of these scenarios.

    However, we do have the objective facts of those who came before him accomplished under the same circumstances.

    He accomplished only what Crosby , Girioux , Brassard, Huberdeau and Drouin accomplished. This is an objective fact.

    And only Brassard and Huberdeau are taller than Ehlers so he is not some minuscule case out of the above list.

    On top of this, there was another guy who came from Europe to play is draft year in the QMJHL . Voracek came and got 86 points. He was drafted 6th overall and its fair to say he has come along quite nicely.

    Ehlers got 104 .

    You can try to then put your own feelings and bias' into these objective facts but it will not change them. It stands to reason that Ehlers will turn out to be some mixture of what those other 4 players become (5th is Crosby)

    There is nothing wrong with not wanting Ehlers because you want the young, strong local kid (Virtanen) or the big power forward in the making -hopefully. (Ritchie)

    However, its not reasonable to have to try to knock Ehlers down to accomplish the goal of showing how great these other prospects are. Its a sign that deep down you know we might take Ehlers. This accomplishes nothing. It just leads to juvenile fights and wasted time.

    We Ehlers fans have no need nor do we need to knock Ritchie or Virtanen down. Ehlers can stand on his own. If you want to behold these other prospects then do so without trying to spin negatives about Ehlers.

    slow clap, well said

    ps I sure hope Gilman liked what he saw when he went out to Halifax :)

    6th Pick: 2014 NHL Entry Draft

    in Prospects / Farm Team

    Posted · Edited by NucksCup2015

    "Individual potential is like a glass of water. The size of your glass determines your capacity or the upper limits of what you can achieve in a particular area."

    The growth potential of undersized players is always a concern. Most would peak at 180-185lbs, up to 10 years later. So you have to ask yourself if the players' other qualities make this lack of NHL size to be worth a draft selection.

    In Ehlers' case, where he is below 170lbs and has a frame that doesn't advertise decent growth potential, you have to hope that his skill is elite for him being worth a 6th overall selection.

    But is it?

    From what I've watched extensively, it is not. He is at least a notch below Drouin in terms of skill and I'd like him to be above Drouin in terms of skill to make the size risk worth it. To be fair, i'd consider other sources than just my own eyes to value skill, and on that end I don't think there have been any reports that he's just as skilled or more skilled than his star teammate, nor any other comparables from the past like Kane, MacKinnon, etc. That, not his size, is what has him well outside top-5 rankings.

    I can only conclude from what I've seen and can project using all info at hand is that Ehlers simply will need wide-open space to be an effective scorer. Since he hasn't shown any other significant attributes, like defense, or being able to sustain checking, at least from what i've seen from him, it means that he'll be a boom or bust one-dimensional scorer with good, but not elite peak ability. This will make him a floater and perimeter-type, esp. in playoff games where it's a lot harder to get to the net unless you have size. Basically, he's not a go-to guy. He'll need great linemates who can provide him the space he needs.

    imho He needs to go to a team that will embrace that style and be patient with him while he gets as strong as he can possibly get. Since the Canucks already have their own similar project in Shinkaruk, I see redundancy here. I think Ehlers should go to the east, myself. Jeff Skinner has had some immediate success there.

    interesting comments since many of the scouting reports i have read have said he is more than willing to play in traffic and in fact initiate contact to gain possession.

    he is not a 'perimeter player'

    many on cdc are scared this kid is MayRay part two, and ya I get it, post traumatic stress disorder does things to people.

    he's not MayRay part 2

    the other issue people keep harping on is size and this is now the 30th time i have said it

    1. The CURRENT issue on our team is lack of offensive talent that can skate and has size

    2. This years draft will not address a CURRENT issue, it will address FUTURE issues, since this years first rounder will likely take 3-4 years to make it to the NHL, unless somehow we get Ekblad

    3. Therefore, a logical conclusion is you look at our prospect pool and see what is lacking.

    4. In our prospect pool, size is not lacking, players who can battle through and have the size to protect pucks win board battles etc (Kassian, Horvat, Jensen, Matthias, Guance, Archibald, Grenier, Lane, Cassells is gritty enough as is Fox).

    5. What is clearly lacking in that group is not size it is elite talent. You may argue and fair enough its your view, that Ehlers doesn't have elite talent, I beg to differ given what I have seen of him play, his scouting reports and his point totals), he certainly has much higher point totals than any of the said prospects above have achieved, even after adjusting for league differentials - and by a wide margin, this not something you can simply dismiss.

    6. He is the same size as Markus Naslund, Yzerman, Sakic, Giroux, on and on. If the kid played a permiter game and was scared to go to the net, sure I'd buy the arguments, but he's not. That in combination with the size in our prospect pool therefore becomes a non issue.

    7. 2 way players with size are very easily found in the second and third rounds, projects so to speak, and many second / third rounders have turned out well. Jamie Benn was taken in the second round.

    8. One seldom gets a chance at elite skill unless you're Edmonton or Florida, don't waste that pick on something we have as much of a chance of developing in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

    9. Players like Ehlers are not going to be found late in the first / second/ third very often, players with size who can put up 20 goals and maybe break through like Benn are.

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    Brendan Gaunce | C/LW

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    Posted

    I actually see the opposite of that. Gaunce is a good 2 way player no doubt and more of a defensive guy in most OHL coaches mind. When he first came over, he was slotted in the Top 6 and putting up decent points with the offensive players on the team like Fox and Brown (for a while, not too long as McDavid eventually went back into playing with those 2). As the playoff approaches, the coach of the Erie starts to want to balance the lineup and drop back Gaunce into the 3rd line shutdown defensive center position to spread out the wealth.

    As soon as playoffs started, Gaunce picked it up and started playing very well. A lot of Erie followers were doubting Gaunce when they first acquired him because they are worried of his foot speed not able to catch up to their Top 6. However, all of them were praising him for his play during the playoffs until the Guelph series. If you watch the goals for Erie, almost all of them happened with Gaunce on the ice even though he didn't directly involved in the play. I watched some of the Erie highlight videos, Gaunce is always the guy celebrating the last minute win or the OT goal. Just show you how the coaches trust him despite he is not an offensive juggernaut.

    no dispute on this position play and hockey sense, i think even in camp people were suprised because he looked slow/lacked explosiveness (same concern in junior) but was never really glaringly out of position.

    same issue will happen in the NHL though and its faster thus the reason a 3c may make more sense (and even as you say he played extremely well in the shut down role)

    if he can develop his stride and speed I can see him moving up the roster but right now until he does, I think its hard to see him in an offensive role in the NHL....you need speed in that role

    Brendan Gaunce | C/LW

    in Alumni

    Posted · Edited by NucksCup2015

    I think Gaunce may eventually be stuck under Cassels with Cassels as 3C Gaunce as 4C. at the end of the day we should be happy when they both make it to the big show.

    Anyone remember Friesen? remember how he was one of the top faceoff and defensive players in the O? ... barely got games in for Utica this year

    Nikolaj Ehlers

    in Canucks Talk

    Posted · Edited by NucksCup2015

    You won't believe this because you lack perspective but I know of three ex NHL players who use this site, one of which uses his own name as his username, as well as half a dozen high profile members of the media.

    Just because you have no associations in those circles doesn't mean no one else does.

    You've already demonstrated to me to have an inaptitude toward reading comprehension and, as such, your opinion is found wanting.

    that's nice, I don't care what you believe, that was the point

    lack perspective hey, that's an interesting comment, your opinion really hurt me, my experience tells me otherwise

    No assocations in those circles hey, pretty big assumption Does an NHLPA email address count?

    High profile media types? Who Botchford? Probably does post on here given his lack of hockey knowledge lol

    Nikolaj Ehlers

    in Canucks Talk

    Posted · Edited by NucksCup2015

    Wow, honestly buddy it’s not even worth my time to reply to that…..but I’m bored at work, so I’ll bite

    Only reason I brought up my past hockey is because you seem to think only people who’ve played the game understand player development. Am I bitter? Sure, not as much as a few years ago, but why wouldn’t I be. I knew after I walked off my team in midget it was going to be an uphill battle (coach was an idiot). If you don’t believe I played with Raymond in Camrose I could care less, it honestly doesn’t prove I’m more knowledgeable in scouting young talent anyway.

    Here’s the difference between you and me. (with regards to drafting) You are set on one player. You pretend like you’re not but anytime someone throws out an argument against your player “ehler” you get extremely defensive and start putting down the other players. I like Nylander. But if canucks decided to draft a different player that’s when my allegiance to him ends and I’ll support who’ve the canucks end up draft. Why because canucks scouts have a better handle on predicting a players future success. Scouts don’t just watch, they talk to the player/teammates of the player/coaches/ other team coaches and get a way better handle on the player than any of us fans can.

    If the canucks happen to pick Ritchie 6th overall and Ehlers goes 7th, You are likely going to hold a grudge on Ritchie for the very reasons that you’ve been posting about him on the previous page. If Ritchie takes a bit longer to develop and Ehlers has a strong first season you will likely be up in arms with are management over there decision (very similarly to what has happened with Kassian since the trade). If canucks don’t pick Nylander and he turns out to be a star, I’m not going to gloat as my depth on all the players this year is limited to what I’m able to read and rarely see. And honestly it would have been just a lucky guess on my part.

    grudge? lol sorry I actually think Ehlers is a better player and my experience in hockey tends to tell me I am a good judge of that, choose to believe it or not. Moreover, I just want the Canucks to get better, and a strategic person can look at their future team needs and easily assesses what is lacking. Who knows who will be better, both could bust, neither could, or one could.

    Moreover, clearly your comments and constant worries about whether some anonymous person on the internet believing you played with Mason Raymond or not mean a little too much to you, which again signifies either you are incredibly insecure or, you never played a damn thing and are trying to constantly pretend you did in order to lend legitimacy to your views.

    I could care less who you are or are not.

    Nikolaj Ehlers

    in Canucks Talk

    Posted

    Are you just daft?

    It's quite obvious that he is saying who he is. He's always been a very consistent poster in both his content and perspective. His knowledge, experience and wisdom are clearly vastly superior to your own.

    ForsbergTheGreat's reputation is not in question here, in my mind. You are making yourself look foolish.

    Yes and I am an ex NHL player

    Now what?

    Nikolaj Ehlers

    in Canucks Talk

    Posted · Edited by NucksCup2015

    First off I'm not saying size is a factor, I don't care about Ritchie, I prefer Nylander overall but i'm not going to sit hear and bash another player just to make my prefered choice look better.

    Second of all, points in their junior league is not the deciding factor in which scouts evaluate players. It's not as simple as, this player put up more points so therefor he is better, Want an example, When I this "pretend" hockey player, put up 87 points in my draft year and my teammate/linemate mason raymond put up 82 points, He was drafted 2nd round by the canucks. I was passed over.

    Third, unless you watch majority of the games for each players you wont see these nuances, people have off games, in stretches, I mean if you take Burrows season this year and use that as a measuring stick for the rest of his carreer you'd think he'd never be more than a bottom end 3rd/ 4th line player, which we all know he's more talented than that.

    One season is a hard way to predict what the next 15 years are going to be for any kid.

    soo you just repeat what I told you, claim it as your own lol, then repeat your pretend story about playing with Raymond and being bitter about not being drafted

    he was the better player and carried you, since he's in the nhl and you're not

    sorry to state facts, and please stop pretending

    thanks

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    Nikolaj Ehlers

    in Canucks Talk

    Posted · Edited by NucksCup2015

    Draisaitl is unbelievably talented. Big guy, soft hands, crazy vision. What don't you like? Is it speed? Some others have questioned speed but to me he just looks like he always has his head up looking for the great play.

    his skating worries me....just feel we don't have enough elite skaters in our future forward group. At best he's average, he is like Gaunce but has a bit more strength in his stride. I honestly haven't seen much of him so may be over reacting but the many clips I have seen he just doesn't seem to have that extra gear and lacks an explosive stride....and skating really is number 1 in hockey....

    Elite/Very Good

    Shinkaruk

    Kassian

    Good

    Jensen

    Horvat

    Cassells

    Average/Poor

    Gaunce

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