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1 hour ago, aGENT said:
Don't see Hughes as a fit at all with Guddy. He needs a solid two way guy (Edler here, Campbell in FLA) to partner with.
That's not Hughes.
Of our kids, that's most likely Brisebois or Juolevi.
Hughes would fit far better IMO with Tanev, Hutton (Hughes on right) or Stecher. The latter would likely be awesome possession monsters together but would obviously be a small pairing and we'd have to be very careful about them getting caught out against bigger opposition. Particularly on the road/icings when they have last change.
I have a feeling he may start with Guddy, but I do agree that he should start with either Tanev or Stecher.
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Is Steve Mason still available?
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17 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:
I tend to think there’s a little bit of the “old regime’s prospect” stigma attached to McEneny (which happens in every organization and is certainly nothing unique to Vancouver or anything new in the world of hockey). JB talks up guys like Sautner and Brisebois (and deservedly so), but tends to be pretty silent about McEneny, unless asked directly. For me, McEneny should be in the discussion with those other two, as potential D call-ups who should get a look this season, especially now that McEneny is getting his legs back and finally healthy and looking to be in true game shape. Even with his injury struggles and recovery, he has been putting up very good production this season, and playing an important role for Utica.
I was taken back a little bit when JB stated that McEneny was more of a "Depth guy." He's definitely been showing well in Utica, and I think now is a good time to see what our "depth" has to offer at the next level considering Edler's recent injury and with the TDL around the corner.
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13 hours ago, xereau said:
I think that with all the turnover coming on the Canucks' blue line, and with several of our D barely treading the 6/7 waters, Woo could surprise everyone and make the team out of camp next season.
I'm definitely coming from a very conservative POV. However, with our lack of depth on the right side, it's a good possibility that Woo can surprise and go beyond 9 games next year as well. My concern is whether or not he's being rushed a la Virtanen and McCann in 2015. One way to find out though, right?
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34 minutes ago, aGENT said:
Like I said above...not so sure about partnering him with Hughes. He doesn't tend to mesh well with more outright offensive guys (and their talents are largely wasted playing with a defensive guy). But Juolevi and Brisebois as prospects or Edler as a current player, all have an assortment of 2 way tools that would seem to fit well with EG and IMO, would likely lead to more individual (and hence team) success for him.
Due largely to (team) circumstance, Gudbranson has not particularly been well set up for success here. It would be in our best interests to remedy that sooner than later. Sadly with OJ's injury setback he's probably starting next year in Utica. Perhaps Brisebois can come in and earn a spot on EG's left that would mesh well but that begs the question of what happens with Hutton...(assuming Edler's return and Hughes making the club).
Should be another interesting summer but given those ^^ realities I'll be surprised to see this issue fixed by October. So that likely means another start of the season with folks painting his performance with a rather brown coloured brush
And yes, if Pouliot has a future here next year, it's likely as a more appropriate 7th D
Brisebois would be nice option as well. I would like to see that opportunity for him this year over Sautner, who would probably look better paired with Stecher IMO. I'm curious as to why we haven't seen Guddy paired with Edler more often this year. They seemed to mesh pretty well last season. Is it mainly because of Edler's proven chemistry with Tanev?
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15 minutes ago, aGENT said:
But again, his 'problem' is that we don't have anyone either pushing him down the lineup and/or who plays a complimentary style to play with him. That's a team problem, not a player problem.
Let's fix that much more urgent and real problem and then see what we have in EG, with an appropriate partner/role, when we get there.
IMO, that's going to be a solid physical, complimentary guy on a 2nd pair or (with a hopeful embarrassment of riches ahead of him) similar role on a 3rd pair.
I'm very curious to see how he would look with Q. Hughes or O. Juolevi. If a successful pairing, it leaves Edler (assuming he stays) and Tanev (assuming he stays) as our top pair, and keeps Pouliot as a 7th D. I, too, am of the belief that I'd like to see Gudbranson in a position to recreate the success he had playing with Campbell in Florida.
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On 1/24/2019 at 6:13 PM, Rob_Zepp said:
Evan Bouchard is an excellent CHL player and will likely have a decent NHL career. What I am not certain of is if he will have a really good NHL career due to his wheels. To the point, yes Bouchard is miles from NHL ready but of course so is Woo miles away and even further than Bouchard. Woo will be at least three more years in the oven. IF the next braintrust in Edmonton has any sense, they will let Bouchard have at least a full AHL season or two to get a sense of the pro game speed. Woo will be WHL for at least one more year and then likely two in AHL. Woo is also not a first round touted pick.
Bouchard was a reasonable pick for Edmonton trying to replace the concept of Justin Schultz but they should have picked Smith or Dobson if they wanted more instant gratification.
I foresee another year in junior plus 2 years in the AHL for Woo. Should be fun watching him develop.
Skating was definitely a red flag RE Bouchard. Dobson would've been a better choice in my opinion. Can't really comment on Smith as I haven't seen him play but from what I understand he would've been a good choice too. In any event, I'm sure Bouchard will be a very good defensemen for Edmonton provided they take the time to develop him properly.
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4 hours ago, RetroCanuck said:
I think Benning wants to trade Edler if he can and then hopefully resign him. I see no reason for POuliot to be back next and I think Tanev or Guddy will be traded this deadline/offseason as well. I think our D lineup needs a shakeup and could end up looking roughly like this.
Hughes-Tanev
Edler-Stecher
Hutton-Myers
Juolevi-Biega
In an ideal world, Edler does a sign and trade and we trade out Guddy for pieces. JB has always seemed to be high on Myers so wouldn't be surprised if he is acquired. If there was a way, I wouldn't mind trying to pry Philippe Myers from Philly for some RHD depth, but I'm ok with Stecher I'm the top 6.
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Provided everything goes according to plan and that the are no drastic changes, I foresee this defensive lineup next season:
Edler-Tanev
Hutton-Stecher
Hughes-Gudbranson
Pouliot/Sautner-Biega
Juolevi should continue to marinate in the minors with Chatfield
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3 hours ago, SingleThorn said:
Tryamkin has been almost exclusively a RD. I believe that this is fairly common with Russian LHDs. Don't recall if he ever played the left side while he was here.
I don't think TG would have an issue with NT playing on the right.
If that's the case, that could relieve some pressure considering our lack of depth on the right side. It may allow for management to be more comfortable with a Tanev/Gudbranson trade next season should it come to that.
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My thoughts on the matter:
- I'm not mad that he went back home. It's his prerogative as a professional hockey player with roots across the ocean. Some players excel and enjoy playing in the European leagues for a a multitude of reasons. If he decides to stay, I'll be happy for him. He gets to play in his home country and make decent money.
- If he comes back, I would be thrilled. With that said, he needs to want to be here. He needs to make further effort to speak English and welcome North American culture. If he sticks with a translator, it'll act as a crutch. He also needs to earn his spot in the lineup. Sure, he's playing well in the KHL, but I would be willing to money down that TG will bench/pressbox him if he comes in entitled to top 4 minutes. Not to say that he's not capable of top 4 minutes, but dues need to be paid.
- Assuming we have Edler, Hutton, and Hughes playing the left side, and TG is adamant about left sides D to play the left side, Tryamkin will have to bust tail to knock one of them off. Keep in mind there's still Sautner, Brisebois, and McEneny. There's alot of competition.
- I'm curious to see if his rights have ANY trade value. Based on the tremendous left side depth we have, maybe it's worth exploring a trade for a winger or right handed defenseman. Asset management, right?
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1 hour ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:
Utica about to get back 2 of their top 3 dman back soon.
This is great news. Hopefully a good opportunity to see what we have in Sautner and Chatfield before the TDL.
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On 1/20/2019 at 11:22 AM, canucklehead44 said:
Stating fact not opinion. Nylander is a far more valuable player than Virtanen. Even if we had this contract dispute and traded him we would have received a much better return than Jake Virtanen.
The McCann trade is terrible. We also gave up a pick and the BPA was Alex DeBrinecat who is scoring at a 40 goal pace this season. Gudbranson is pretty much useless and way overpaid. We would be lucky to get a 4th round pick for him right now.
Forsling is a 22 year old dman drafted in the 5th round who is already a pretty solid NHL player. He has had a lot of injuries but still looks like he could be a 2nd pairing player.
I don't particularly like Nylander or McCann either but the value we got from the alternatives has been terrible. I actually really like Jake Virtanen but at 6th he was an atrocious pick. If he was taken with the McCann pick I'd be fine with him.Nylander was very valuable at his ELC salary. At approximately $6.8 million for the next 6, and at his current production, I'd rather Virtanen.
If we had kept McCann, where would we have put him during the 2017-2018 season? Utica? 4th line? We had a surplus of centres, but no depth at RHD. Guddy isn't racking up points, but he's doing well in a top 6/top 4 role. I personally don't miss the 2nd and 4th we gave up either. Sure, Debrincat is fitting in well in Chicago, partnered predominantly with Kane. Would he produce similarly in Vancouver playing with EP or Horvat? Maybe, but we'd have a massive hole on D considering we lost Sbisa in expansion and Tryamkin went home.
Forsling is doing ok in a top 6 role in Chicago, who are starved for D. Maybe he replaces Pouliot in our current line up, but the Clendening trade was a calculated gamble that didn't turn out. I'm not crying over it.
Hindsight is 20/20.
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On 10/4/2018 at 12:13 AM, GoldenAlien said:
I'm sorry, but this is revisionist history. The Gaunce pick was widely lauded at the time. Central Scouting ranked him #11 among NA skaters at midterm, #13 among NA skaters at final. We got him at #26, and IIRC, Belleville fans said he only slipped in the CS rankings because his ice time was reduced after the trade deadline. Zemgus Girgensons, ranked #18 among NA skaters, went #14 to Buffalo and I remember that was considered a good pick as well. Gaunce was one of the best choices left on the board when it came to #26, he had been training with Gary Roberts since he was 16 and scored very well during the combine. And pundits said that Cameron was a slow skater but made big strides in that area since being drafted, and Gaunce was already a better skater than him.
Two way centre does not equal low ceiling. Horvat was known as one of the best two way centres in the OHL -- Nischushkin and Domi had higher ceilings. Considering he was a top 10 pick, surely we should've been looking for maximum ceiling? These three were drafted between #9-#12, but five years out, I think it's clear which forward was the right choice at #9.
Gaunce is a late first round pick in a mediocre draft, just look at all the forwards taken between #20 to #40 in 2012:
#20 Scott Laughton: 47 pts in 190 GP
#21 Mark Jankowski: 25 pts in 73 GP
#27 Henrik Samuelsson: 0 pts in 3 GP
#29 Stefan Mateau: 7pts in 64 GP
#30 Tanner Pearson: 143pts in 308 GP
#32 Mitch Moroz: never played in the NHL
#33 Sebastian Collberg: never played in the NHL
#36 Nic Kerdiles: 0 pts in 3 GP
#39 Lukas Sutter: never played in the NHL
#26 Brendan Gaunce: 12pts in 114 GP
Of the 7 forwards taken after Gaunce, 6 did not play more than 10 games in the NHL. Three didn't even get a single call up. The only one who did better than Gaunce is Pearson, who was at the time, not an obvious pick. He was 20 years old, had gone undrafted twice, ranked #25 among NA skaters by CS, and had skating problems. He had 42pts in 66 GP in what would've been most people's draft+1 year, and then had 91pts in 60 GP as a 20 year old. Guess who else exploded in their 20 year old season and was drafted in 2012? Alexandre Mallet, who got 81 pts in 68 GP, but was known as a fast skater and one of the toughest forwards in the Q. Gillis took him 27 spots after Pearson, which was a huge reach -- but not so much if you compared him to Pearson. And look at how he turned out. For every guy who suddenly had a big 20 year old season because they're the real deal, 10 only took off because it's their 4th year and they're playing in a league with 16 year olds.
In the end, out of a group of 8 forwards, we got the second best one, and to say that the pick was bad because Pearson surprised is like saying Kesler was a lousy pick at #23 because Anaheim took Perry at #28.
That draft definitely had a weak 1st round. However, looking back, I was able to find a several serviceable forwards after pick 40 (I use serviceable loosely in some cases though):
#47 Brock McGinn: 62pts in 204 GP
#49 Martin Frk: 29pts in 93 GP
#50 Colton Sissons: 69pts in 232 GP
#55 Chris Tierney: 134pts in 331 GP
#58 Jordan Martinook: 77pts in 293 GP
#59 Boo Nieves: 13pts in 44 GP
#61 Devin Shore: 83pts in 211 GP
#63 Jujhar Khaira: 38pts in 137 GP
#66 Jimmy Vesey: 79pts in 205 GP
#77 Chandler Stephenson: 27pts in 123 GP
#81 Oskar Sundqvist: 23pts in 108 GP
#89 Brendan Leipsic: 36pts in 102 GP
#95 Josh Anderson: 86pts in 205 GP
#101 Cedric Paquette: 60pts in 283 GP
#104 Gemel Smith: 20pts in 77 GP
#110 Andreas Athanasiou: 104pts in 214 GP
#131 Seth Griffith: 18pts in 79 GP
#150 Alexander Kerfoot: 67pts in 122 GP
#156 Connor Brown: 86pts in 217 GP
#162 Joseph Blandisi: 26pts in 74 GP
#169 Vinnie Hinostroza: 53pts in 142 GP
#171 Tomas Hyka: 7pts in 67 GP
Just goes to show that development, deployment, and determination are all essential to how players progress in their careers. I'm definitely on the side that says "Play Gaunce" but at the same time I'm enjoying is progress in Utica ATM.
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19 hours ago, The Beagle had landed said:
Schaller being our extra forward allows Gaunce to stay in Utica and continue to develop his offensive game. We know what he can do defensively and I believe he has enough smarts to be able to put it all together to be serviceable bottom 6 player in the near future.
Gaunce is definitely marinating nicely in Utica, and one of the reasons why I'm grateful that Schaller is sitting in the pressbox in his place. If and/or when he can elevate his production to the next level, we're in for a potentially solid bottom 6 forward, or elite 4th liner (bit of an oxymoron, I know, but can't really think of another way to put it). Plus, we've got him for another year ,so might as well see what else he can do.
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10 minutes ago, vannuck59 said:
Green's Style of coaching preaches responsibility defense first . I say poppy cock let the horses run let the D play defense bring one forward back and play off wing Rover. Win games 7 to 6 not 3 to 2. Goldobin under the right coach could put up a lot of points.
I mean, you could, but what happens when the well dries? If players don't produce, they need to contribute in other ways. Goldy had a stellar start but seems to be fading, be it from faltered confidence, laziness, or a simple cold streak. If coach Green thought he was working hard and putting effort in, I imagine he would keep feeding him top 6 time to get the monkey off his back. He did that for Boeser, Virtanen, and Eriksson. I can't see him being Russian having any sort of a factor here.
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Solid trade. Nilly's been cold, and Archie was nothing more than a 4th line call up. Pyatt has proven he can play on a 3rd line, McKenna becomes a nice option for depth goaltending, and lottery ticket away the draft. Cheers, JB!
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1 hour ago, Bure_Pavel said:
It would be awesome if we could get a second 1st round pick. Two of Soderstrom, Thomson, Foote, Newhook, Honka or Seider if we pick around 14th and 28th would be great. I would go BPA with the first pick and draft for positional need with the second pick unless there is a clear pick that dropped.
I'd be ok with Foote as we could use the LW depth. If we got a late first rounder, I'd like to see McCarthy considered. Also depending on where we select in the 2nd, or if he's still there in the 3rd, I wouldn't mind having a look at Grayson Ladd.
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Wonder how much Mads Søgaard's stock dropped after that game. Last I checked he was ranked #21st in eligible skaters.
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And to think people wanted Jake Wise... great game by Madden and Hughes!
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2 hours ago, fanfor42 said:
Only 25 goalies in the nhl have played at least 20 games. So he's 18th and 20th out of 25.
If you compare his stats vs goalies who have played at least 10 games he's like 37th.
So with minimum 10 GP, Markstrom ranks 33rd in GAA and 28th in SV%.
28th still puts him in the top 31 goaltenders. His GAA, granted, isn't great in this comparison, and it will happen when you have two games with a combined 13 goals against (both wins btw), but at this point your dealing with deviations of 0.001% while the # of goaltenders more than double. I won't argue that he's a Vezina candidate as he hasn't demonstrated consistency over multiple seasons, but the fact of the matter is Markstrom is arguably the hottest goaltender leading into tonight's game vs Winnipeg, and is playing like a very solid starter.
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30 minutes ago, Baer. said:
You could make a lot of average players look good cherry picking 6 games.
Ok. Include the 9 games he played during the losing streak and he still walks away with a 2.5 GAA and .920 Sv%. Is he still average?
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He's already playing like a starter based purely on this season's goalie stats:
GAA: 20th (minimum 20 GP)
SV%: 18th (minimum 20 GP)
Wins: T-6th
TOI: 7th
Keep in mind that this also includes the terrible November we just had. If, hypothetically speaking, he came out with two more wins over the losing streak, he'd be T-3rd in wins with Hellebuyck. Fun fact: his SV% is .001 below MA-Fleury, who's having a monster season with 20 Wins and 5 SO. Furthermore, his SV% is higher than both Anderson and Price, who are both having bouncebacks from last year's disaster seasons.
Let's look at his last 6 games:
GAA: 1.67
SV%: .941
Yes, he's currently on a hot streak, but compare him with some top goalies around the league over their past 6 and you'll have to give credit where it's due:
Rinne: SV% 879 GAA 2.5
Halak: SV% 917 GAA 2.67
Andersen: SV% 889 GAA 3
Gibson: SV% 916 GAA 2.17
Fleury: SV% 887 GAA 3.17
Holtby: SV% 920 GAA 2.33
Hellebuyck: 922 GAA 2.67
Thoughts?
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Elias Pettersson | #40 | C
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If Hart carries Philly into the post-season, I would imagine so. He's playing very well right now.