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    FIRE Jim Benning & Travis Green Thread

    in Canucks Talk

    Posted · Edited by ruilin96

    17 minutes ago, D-Money said:

    Stop with the excuses. Everyone knew the expansion draft was coming, and one of them was going to be lost for nothing. But Benning sat on his hands, and "ran out of time". Just like he did with Toffoli. And just like he did with most of his pending UFAs with value in years past (Hamhuis, Miller, Vrbata, etc.). 

    I am not giving Benning a freepass, in fact I want him fired. However, when Benning signed that contract extension with Markstrom, it was back in the summer of 2016. At the time we were aware of expansions (mainly the Vegas one), but we don't have a definite timeline of the Seattle expansion. I just don't think the Demko/Markstrom situation is on him.

     

    Hamhuis and Vrbata had no trade clauses that both of them wouldn't waive. Hamhuis didn't want to relocate mid-seaon, while Vrbata was just striaght up pissed with the team and decided to give them a list of bottom feeders that wouldn't trade for him. The time to move Hamhuis and Vrbata was at the 2015 draft. This would give both players plenty of time to plan their relocation, and kick start the rebuild with more draft picks in the 2015 draft.

     

    I heard a story leaked by Lauren Gillman that at the 2015 draft, San Jose was willing to trade the 9th OA pick (Timo Meier pick) for Ryan Miller and the team declined the trade because they didn't want to trade a goalie to their divisional rival. That to me is a major screw up as at the time the team still sees themselves as a playoff team and won't signal a rebuild. Gillman also said the Canucks had Barzal ranked a lot higher than where he eventually got drafted, so you have to think at #9, there is a good chance the Canucks would draft Barzal. Montreal was rumour to have interest in Vrbata as they were searching for offense, so if Vrbata got us their first round pick (late 20s range) and Hamhuis gets us an early 2nd, we would have a shot at drafting Carlo, Aho etc. In a perfect world if we walk away from the 2015 draft with Barzal, Boeser, Aho and Carlo and drafted McAvoy/Sergachev in the 2016 draft instead of Juolevi, we would've been a solid up and coming playoff team at this point. If the team made those rebuilding moves right there and then, we would've been out of the rebuild a lot sooner.

     

    There are so many things I blame Benning for, but there are times you can't blame things on him. The Toffoli situation is  another one that I think he botched completely. Same with not signing Tanev, who we basically haven't been able to replace since his departure. However, the Markstrom/Demko situation isn't on him. He kept the younger elite goalie on a better contract and he made the right choice to keep Demko. Do I wish we got assets for Markstrom? Yes, but as previously mentioned, it is just a bad timing on Markstron's contract expiration.

     

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    FIRE Jim Benning & Travis Green Thread

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    Posted · Edited by ruilin96

    24 minutes ago, D-Money said:

    Luongo was still in his prime, and was a valuable starting goaltender for years. He ended up getting us Markstrom, who could have provided a lot of value to the franchise. The stupid person was the one who didn't trade one of Markstrom or Demko for picks/prospects (like Gillis did with Schneider), instead of just letting one of them walk.

     

    What bad trades are you referring to? Ehrhoff for almost nothing? Max Lapierre for a 3rd? Chris Higgins for friggin Evan Oberg? I mean, the Ballard trade didn't work out, but it looked like a landslide when Grabner was on waivers.

    I criticize Benning for a lot of things, but Markstrom/Demko decision isn't one of them. Do I love Marky? Yes. In a perfect world do I wish to still have him on the Canucks? Absolutely! Do I hate that Marky is in Calgary? Of course! However, Markstrom's contract expired at perhaps the worst possible time. If he has just 1 more or 1 fewer year on his contract, this would've been a much better situation to be in.

     

    Scenario 1: Let's say Markstrom's contract ends at 2018-19, the season where he seem to have figured things out and become a consistent number 1 goalie, the number and sample size is still too small and we could've inked him to a 2-4 year extension at around $4.5 million (at the time it was before his excellent 2019-20 campaign). 2019-20 comes around, Marky becomes absolutely elite, and now we would have the opportunity to trade a bonafide Vezina level goalie at $4.5 million per, there would've been a bidding war for him.

     

    Scenario 2: Let's say Markstrom's contract ends at 2020-2021, we would've still be able to get good value back for him if we trade him in the 2020 off season as a team like Colorado would've been willing to give up a significant amount to pick up a Vezina candidate for 1 season at $3.67 AAV (Marky's cap hit with us).

     

    Unfortunately for us, his contract ended exactly after 2019-20. We are face with the dilemma that if we sign him (he really just wants a NMC), we will guarantee to lose Demko to Seattle in the expansion draft. You don't want to lose a young up an coming goalie to a divisional rival for a goalie who is going to be 30+. Keeping Demko over Markstrom is the right move.

     

    Our alternative option is to trade Demko or Markstrom at the 2020 trade deadline and go with the remaining goalie term. Demko's trade value wouldn't be very high at the time and we won't get a fair return for trading him. We can't trade Markstrom when a team is clearly going all in to make the playoffs.

    It is unfortunate timeline with the Seattle Expansion which complicate things. If expansion draft isn't a concern, I could see the team being able to retain both Markstrom/Demko for a longer period of time or able to get more value out of this situation.

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    [Rumour] Green to be Fired

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    2 minutes ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:

    The Flyers can't score. Lost 7 in a row. Alain Vignault might be on the hot seat. I'd take him back. He will always be the Canucks coach in my mind. 

     

    An NHL coach gets fired every 41 days in the NHL. 

     

    BTW is Friday. Is Green walking the plank today ?

    I will bring back AV to coach the team any day!

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    Hirsch: "...the problem isn't on the bench, the problem is in the locker room..."

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    1 minute ago, Patel Bure said:

    Well said.

     

    So given that 

     

    2019-20 Pettersson is significantly > This year's Pettersson (I would even put Boeser close to this category), how much of this is *really* Benning’s fault?..........or maybe even Green’s?

    Boeser wasn't really himself 2019-20, he was a good forward, I would say Boeser this year and Boeser 2 years ago are very similar. Last year's Boeser was the best Boeser we had since rookie Boeser.

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    Hirsch: "...the problem isn't on the bench, the problem is in the locker room..."

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    Posted

    18 minutes ago, Patel Bure said:

    Here’s a legit question:

     

    Are Demko, Garland, and Hamonic really that much of a downgrade from Markstrom, Toffoli, and Tanev?   
     

    On paper, should Dickinson really be a downgrade from Sutter or Gaudette?  
     

    OEL is a significant upgrade over past-his-prime Edler.

     

    So, other than Petey and Boeser off to slow starts which could be a direct result of having missed stretches of training camp/injuries, how else can one explain the Canucks’ terrible start here?

    Demko = Markstrom

    Garland >= Toffoli

    Hamonic < Tanev

    OEL > Edler

     

    The key is the following:

     

    2019-20 Pettersson is significantly > This year's Pettersson

     

    Without our best player performing at his best, we are in this blackhole.

     

    Also the 2019-20 PK unit >>>>>>>>>> This year's PK unit - this absolutely sinks the team

     

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    [Rumour] Eric Staal talking to 3-4 teams, could sign after US Thanksgiving week, league minimum $

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    There is virtually 0% he wants to sign here. He is hoping for one last run at the cup. As of now, I think there is a really good chance he signs with the Hurricanes again. His brother Jordan is there and they are an absolute machine thus far. It would be fitting for him to return to Carolina on a 1 year deal to try and win another cup with them.

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    Did Benning "lose" the Canucks' core players in the 2020 off-season post bubble success?

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    Markstrom was the right move to let him go. If we kept him, we 100% will lose Demko to Seattle.

     

    Toffoli & Tanev should've definitely been retained. Last season would've been drastically different if we had Toffoli & Tanev. Montreal would've never made the playoffs without Toffoli's 28 goals. People said Toffoli only scores his points AGAINST the Canucks, but fail to recognize that he has 6 goals and 4 assists in 10 games WITH the Canucks. Even if Toffoli doesn't score 28 goals and say he only scores 20 goals for the Canucks, that is 15 more than "he who must not be named" which we choose to sign instead of Toffoli.

     

    Tanev would've really stabilize the d-core and especailly Hughes. He continues to shine as one of the best defensive defenseman in the league.

     

    Don't make the trade for Schmidt (or if we do, should've utilize him properly, see how he now thrives in Winnipeg, because he is utilized properly). Shouldn't have signed Holtby, should've went for a cheaper back up on a 1-2 year deal.

     

    The time to trade Gaudette imo is not last year at the deadline, should've been last off-season if the team doesn't see him part of the long term plan. Gaudette came off of a 33 points in 59 games season in 2019-20, despite not recording a point in the playoffs, he would still have drawn more interest from teams being a former Hobey Baker winner. If he was moved in the off-season as a cap dump sweetener to get rid off one of Beagle/Roussel, it could save the team some cap space. Instead of re-signing "he who must not be named," he also could've been dumped as a sweetener for the remainder of Beagle/Roussel.

     

    Team can then sign cheap veteran players at or close to league minimum to replace Beagle/Roussel. As for Stecher, I think he would've stayed in Vancovuer for less money. Detroit offered him 2 x 1.7 we probably could've kept him for 2 x 1.5. I wouldn't oppose to that as I think he is more important in the locker room than people realize.

     

    If that was the team we assembled, we probably could've been that team that end up with the 4th playoff spot in the North and probably would've made it to the 2nd round (assuming the Leafs choke against us in Round 1). I don't see us beating Winnipeg no matter what, but at the very least, it didn't demoralized the team so signifcantly.

     

    What's done is done, we can't dwell on what happened last season. I thought Benning did a good job assembling a team to compete for the playoffs this year and this team on paper should be at the very least a bubble playoff team. Right now, nothing is working with this group. Terrible special teams lead to a lot of Powerplay goals against. We have argubly the best top 9 forwards since 2011 and we struggle to score. Giving up the first goal in all but 2 of our games is just unacceptable. This team is drastically underperforming. The team struggle to find their identity on the ice. They are not a run and gun offensive entertaining team. They aren't elite defensive team that shuts everything down. They are team that relies on Demko to play lights out to bail them out of trouble so they can get wins. If losing Tanev, Markstrom, Toffoli and Stecher still demoralized the team's lockerroom to this day, then this is a mentally fragile group and deserves to be ripped apart. You can't dwell on the past, you have to move on to the future. The team must find a way to establish their identity, if not, we are staring at another lost season.

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