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    2023 NHL Entry Draft

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    3 hours ago, HighOnHockey said:

    I've been looking at this more closely. The method all makes a lot of sense and sounds valid to me, despite a very layman's understanding of math and statis. But it's interesting that this is a case where the larger data set may in some ways reduce the accuracy of the results. The data used is from 2005 to 2020. Up until maybe 2010 or so the Czech league was still among the best in the world, and then at some point the quality dropped off somewhat, although it's hard to say exactly how much and to what extent it has recovered in the past few years. Would be cool to see the data broken down into smaller chronological segments to try and track how different league qualities have changed over the years. I would also think Slovakian Extraliga has declined fairly significantly from the start of the data set.

     

    Kind of neat to see how high the quality of the World Junior Championships tournament is. Almost on the level of some of the secondary hockey country's top pro leagues. A little surprising to see USHL ahead of WHL.

     

    Since I was doing a deep dive on Eduard Sale lately, I thought it would be interesting to see how the comparisons would look if we were to assume the numbers for the Czech leagues were correct - we know they'll likely produce more impressive numbers than they should, so keeping that in mind - Czech U20 over OHL is 0.074 over 0.144 = 0.51389. Times that by Eduard Sale's 2.28205 from the Czech U20 league at 16, converted to OHL numbers would be 1.17272, well ahead of any of the top guys there; Barlow was 0.80 and Ritchie was 0.69. Converted to WHL numbers he'd be 1.19767, ahead of Cristall, Benson, Yager and anyone but Bedard. His 17 year old season is a little less impressive,. Converts to 1.32 OHL p/g, ahead of everyone in the OHL except Barlow and Musty. But I can never make sense of how to account for the differences in ice time. Sale played 12 mins per game in the Extraliga. Seems like that should have to be accounted for, but not sure how much that should be considered to be baked in to the initial conversion. Makes my head hurt to think about too much.

    Keep an eye out on the del. They are gonna be a true top five league by 2025 and that 2025 draft class of German kids is elite.

    2023 NHL Entry Draft

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    1 minute ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

    Brock and Garland?

    We ride these contracts out man and set ourselves up for 2026. Two year window and hit the 2025 draft class hard.hopefully with some luck, we get lucky with misa or one of the dmen from 2024 and we burn a year or two extra off one of these contracts to make it more palatable for a team.

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    2023 NHL Entry Draft

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    4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

    Benson isn’t a fast player in a straight line, but like you point out he’s an excellent skater in all other ways.  If he can transition to centre at the NHL level he could be an absolute steal if he falls to 11. He would very likely be a guy who is good enough to push Miller to the wing in 3 or 4 years. 

    He could, but I see him more as a play driver off the wing like Kane  or Seguin at the start of the faceoff but handling all the other duties of the center on his line. What makes curious with him is he has got a low center of gravity like sid

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    2023 NHL Entry Draft

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    On 5/10/2023 at 8:53 PM, AlwaysACanuckFan said:

    Get a good one this year, get a good one next year problem solved. 2024 has some tall rhd who could go top 20.... Levshunov, Mews, Parekh, Adam Jiricek 

    We can but we need to understand that the forwards in this draft imo are better right now then the dmen. We should be looking at forward first then try to trade up or down depending the forward to get a good rhd like bonk or minnetian with our capital.

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    2023 NHL Entry Draft

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    On 5/10/2023 at 9:00 PM, HighOnHockey said:

    You're gonna have to elaborate. Why don't you value tournaments as much as me?

    Recency bias. It fooled you with McTavish at his u17s. But I tend value the overall season when scouting before rushing into judgement. Take for example zach benson. Alot of people on this board are saying he doesn't skate well after his last series visibly ignoring his overall body off work in that dept. Look at his edgework, crossovers, and pivots, and I can see the comparisons to marner and would be more then happy to take him. The problem with him alone is that he needs to mature physically in order to get his top end speed going. But people will generally go on what have you shown me recently and that kid might fall to us cuz of that one series.

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    19 hours ago, Angry Goose said:

    Take a look at Danielson.  I think it’s possible he is available at #19 (if the Canucks pass/can’t take Wallinder for example).  I like a lot of the traits he has.

    Doubt it. His run for the most part in the second half should put in the conversation as a top ten pick. Worst case is he is in the 11 to 14 range.

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    2023 NHL Entry Draft

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    1 hour ago, HighOnHockey said:

    I didn't care for Cristall much at this tournament either, and it was my first substantial viewing so not high on my list at all right now.

     

    I'm still a fan of Barlow. Canada's coaching staff liked him a lot too, as he led all Canada forwards in ATOI. I've compared him before to Daniel Cleary (13th overall) and Martin Lapointe (10th overall). To one extent or another as prospects they brought that smash-mouth style that every winning team needs, plus enough upside to tantalize NHL scouts and GMs. Best case scenario would probably be something like Dustin Brown (13th overall) or Ryan Callahan, both hugely important players on good teams in their times. But might there be a little Jarome Igina (11th overall) there? I think the key for Barlow's development is going to be playing his own game. A lot of times teams and especially the players themselves can get anxious about the draft position lose sight of why they were drafted where they were. Whatever team drafts him needs to push him to play north-south, crash and bang, get around the net, and use his shot. If he does that, the offense will come over the long run.

     

    Barlow/Wood/Danielson is a tough call for me. If we think Wood is a center then he's at the top of that pile and should go top ten. If we expect he's a winger, it's tougher to decide, and I'd probably go with Barlow. I also think Edstrom, Honzek and But aren't far off from that conversation.

    That is why o don't value tourneys as much as you. His overall game or tape is good. 

    2023 NHL Entry Draft

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    5 minutes ago, Eddie said:

    I'm feelin ya on this. I think Moore's production is somewhat a product of playing on that second line behind that real danger line. His skating is soo good it will be a real weapon on a slow team that is trying to become a fast breakout team. The kid has a pretty all-round game too, not bad in his own end, can score, pass, give him better wingers and I think he puts up much bigger numbers.  If your looking for truly elite upside this is probably your man - few injuries and problems with development tho and he could be a flat out busta bust 

    Moore is more of a Kadri type of center. He will need a a primary puck carrier to help

    2023 NHL Entry Draft

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    1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

    Have drafted 7 total RHD since 2006 and have had a consistent and screaming need for RHD since about 2004...so draft another forward if there is an RHD available at our draft position.

     

     

    Problem is 2024 is better in rhd then now. 

    2023 NHL Entry Draft

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    1 hour ago, HighOnHockey said:

    I didn't care for Cristall much at this tournament either, and it was my first substantial viewing so not high on my list at all right now.

     

    I'm still a fan of Barlow. Canada's coaching staff liked him a lot too, as he led all Canada forwards in ATOI. I've compared him before to Daniel Cleary (13th overall) and Martin Lapointe (10th overall). To one extent or another as prospects they brought that smash-mouth style that every winning team needs, plus enough upside to tantalize NHL scouts and GMs. Best case scenario would probably be something like Dustin Brown (13th overall) or Ryan Callahan, both hugely important players on good teams in their times. But might there be a little Jarome Igina (11th overall) there? I think the key for Barlow's development is going to be playing his own game. A lot of times teams and especially the players themselves can get anxious about the draft position lose sight of why they were drafted where they were. Whatever team drafts him needs to push him to play north-south, crash and bang, get around the net, and use his shot. If he does that, the offense will come over the long run.

     

    Barlow/Wood/Danielson is a tough call for me. If we think Wood is a center then he's at the top of that pile and should go top ten. If we expect he's a winger, it's tougher to decide, and I'd probably go with Barlow. I also think Edstrom, Honzek and But aren't far off from that conversation.

    Danielson first then Barlow.

    2023 NHL Entry Draft

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    2 hours ago, Pure961089 said:

    I look at Musty, if this were any other draft he'd be in consideration of a top 5 player with Byfield comparisons being tossed around.  Just shows you how deep this draft is. 

    Too high and skating is a serious issue. You take Barlow if he is there

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