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1 minute ago, aGENT said:
That's likely what would/will happen.
Just saying, how many people would trade Juolevi (or Tkachuck for that matter) for McAvoy +++ right now...?
But that is using hindsight on McAvoy. No one knew he would be this good.
So why take the risk of trading down in the hopes of getting a McAvoy when you could just draft the stud in Brady Tkachuk.
Let's take the 2016 draft for example. If we drafted Matthew Tkachuk like we should've and acquired a mid-late first and got Chychrun/Fabbro
Tkachuk + Chychrun/Fabbro >>>>>>>>>>> Juolevi
Now, look at the 2018 draft. Draft one of Svechnikov/Zadina/Tkachuk/Wahlstrom/Kotkaniemi
Aquire a mid-late first. Draft one of Merkley/Miller/Alexeyev/Woo
Zadina/Tkachuk + Merkley >>>>>> Dobson/Bouchard.
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7 minutes ago, aGENT said:
Like I said devil's advocate.
Besides, I'd assume we'd be trading down from say 4th'ish to 10-12'ish in this 'hypothetical'. So we'd have Dobson/Bouchard + some likely pretty good additional assets.
And if they become a 'McAvoy' or 'Karlsson' of this draft, again in this hypothetical plan, is that really a downgrade from a Tkachuck or Zadina..?
Not such easy black and white answers....
If we're fortunate to pick at the 4th spot why make it complicated?
Just pick One of Svechnikov/Zadina/Tkachuk/Boqvist and laugh all the way to the bank.
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47 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:
With Bo and Brock already here and Gaudette, Pettersson, Demko and Juolevi knocking on the door I disagree.
We’re past the fire sale stage of the rebuild: young-ish players who can help the team (which now includes or soon will include the next core) carry a ton of value helping those guys establish themselves as successful NHL’ers.
Some vets need to be sold.. but a guy like Tanev who is in his prime, highly effective but has dubious trade value because of injuries, lack of points/physicality isn’t on the top of my list to move.
1For sure if you don't feel like you're getting proper value for Tanev you keep him. He still 2 more years on his deal. A first round pick and a B+ level prospect would do it for me.
Unlike Vanek and Gubranson who I feel should be traded at all costs for the best deal available.
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16 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:
Is Tanev easily replaceable by a 2nd pairing UFA or is he worth a mid round 1st? Because I don’t see a lot of those being tossed around at the TDL.
I also don’t agree that your mid 1st D man is going to be able to effectively carry 2nd pairing minutes as a 19/20 year old.
To be honest, I think long and hard if a team floats a 10-20 OA 1st for Tanev... but as the only guy under 30 who I think can play top pairing minutes you’re leaving the rest of the roster in a very tough position.
With or without Tanev this is a tire fire team. It'll be in the basement for the next few years as well. So if you can get could value for Tanev( Mid-round first) then you do it. Especially in this type of draft where you could draft a defenceman in that spot and get the same result as the defenceman that goes in the 6-15 range.
We could get Ryan Merkley, K'andre Miller, Alex Alexeyev with that first and with proper development could become better than Dobson and Bouchard.
So we could come out of this draft with
A Zadina/Tkachuk/Wahlstrom and a Ryan Merkley/K'Andre Miller.
Then we could use our 2nd round pick which should be in the 30-40 range and you might get a great prospect. Kind of like Colorado who got Conor Timmins last draft.
Then use the Picks from Vanek and Gudbranson on Defenceman as well.
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5 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:
Who replaces Tanev while we wait 3-4 years for that mid 1st defencemen to develop?
There's plenty of 2nd pairing d-men in FA we could sign as stop gaps.
Why would it take 3-4 years? With good drafting and identifying qualities in the d-man that will make him successful in today's game, shouldn't take more than 2 years.
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6 hours ago, aGENT said:
Just a little devil's advocate here but we have examples of McAvoy recently or say Karlsson historically, who were also early-mid 1st ranked, supposed '2nd pair/tier' D.
It's not insane to suggest drafting a Dobson, Bouchard etc. This is where the worlds of good scouting and some good luck overlap.
Of course, REALLY good luck would be winning 1st overall
I also agree with the sentiment that it's far easier to find/trade/sign for top 6 wingers than even solid 1st/2nd pair D.
Again, this is where scouting and luck overlap. The Canucks could do well (and be better off) by trading down. It is s possibility. Doesn't mean they should or make any guarantee though either.
Look where McAvoy and Karlsson were drafted though, in the teens. Ottawa and Boston were both lucky the way they have developed.
We're talking about a top 8 pick here. If we were drafting outside the top 10, then sure I would look at Dobson, Wilde, Bouchard. But these three d-men project as second pairing d-man. Sure they can become top pairing d-men but why take that risk with a top 8 pick when we have been burned by this decision before. We can't afford to screw up these picks.
You have these sure-fire, physically and skill wise NHL ready studs.
Svechnikov - 6'3 200
Zadina - 6'1 192
Tkachuk - 6'3 205
Unless we can't come out with Dahlin or Boqvist take one of Svechnikov/Zadina/Tkachuk/Kotkaniemi/Wahlstrom/Farabee
Trade Tanev for another first. Use that First on a defenceman.
Trade Vanek and Gudbranson for 2nd and 3rd round picks. Use those picks on defencemen.
Use our high second round pick on a defenceman.
See how this is a better strategy?
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7 minutes ago, DeNiro said:
Of course Dahlin and Boqvist, we were talking about if those two aren't an option though.
I see Bouchard as having the same potential as Juolevi. Yes he has the potential to be a top pairing guy, but realistically we should expect him to be a really solid second pairing guy or a guy that compliments a number 1 guy.
Either way I'd rather have elite scoring and average defense, then average scoring and only slightly above average D. I just don't see the 2nd tier D-men being dynamic enough to solve our problems on D.
Exactly. Other than Dahlin and Boqvist all these other d-men project as second pairing d-men. Some of them lack the dynamic qualities of their game which is what today's game is all about. We don't need to use top 5-8 picks on these level players. They are easily acquirable through trades and FA. When you are picking top 8, you want game changers and NHL ready game changers.
How does a second pairing d-man move the needle for us? What we need are dynamic elite skating impact defenders who project as #1-2 d-men. Only Dahlin and Boqvist really project as those type of defenders IMO and most scouting services agree with this.
If we can't get those 2 defenders they must go for a forward IMO. The whole point of "Tanking" or finishing as low as possible is to get impact players. There are 3-4 forwards who could step in right away and produce big points and actually advance this team. Svechnikov, Zadina, Tkachuk could come in and put up 50-60 points right away and be game changers.
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Disappointing to see him scratched. Especially, if it's because of intensity or compete level
Hopefully, it's due to illness and not because of his play.
TPS won so it will be interesting if they leave Juolevi out of the line-up next game.
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Looks like he is scratched.
Is he injured or is it due to his play?
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2 hours ago, austy said:
If juloevi was playing against high schools guys would that be a fairer comparisons? Not being critical i just havw trouble comparing apples to apples with this sort of stuff. He obviously stands out amongst his peers though.
With Rathbone, I can see with some development time some elite qualities in his game. Love how he wants to be the main guy and rush the puck up the ice. Not only does he have the potential to play a highly effective game but also an exciting playstyle.
I love my d-men to be elite skaters with an offensive flair to their game.
Rathbone might take 2-3 years but I see his ceiling higher than Juolevi's and in 2-3 years it won't surprise me if he is held in higher regard.
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Gaudette ties the game with 40 seconds left
wow
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That was honestly very, very impressive.
He was a man on a mission on that shift. Gave me flashbacks of Kesler putting his team on his back when he went into beastmode.
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Holy $&!# what a goal by Gaudette. Completely abuses 2 players on the forecheck with hits and comes in with a 2-1 and buries it five hole.
Gaudette is a complete Beast of a player
Ryan Kesler lite.
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I like his game more than Juolevi's.
This could be the Adam Gaudette of D-men prospects for us
Very Dynamic and likes to take control and rush the puck. Massive for today's NHL game.
Very exciting hearing he wants to make an impact right off the bat in his freshman year.
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His passing/vision is at a high level, he has a lethal shot and can score in different ways, his skating continues to improve, his hockey sense and creativity is on another level.
Just overall a monster prospect.
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Primary Assist.
2 points so far.
His release is fire
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Scores the OT winner
Lind goes into beastmode with back to back 4 point games
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From that video, Rathbone looks like Quinton Hughes.
Unreal Skating ability, can pass, good shot, can run the PP. He looks like the modern day puck moving d-man who exits and enters zones cleanly and effortlessly. Albeit it is high school hockey. Very interested in tracking him going forward in Harvard.
This prospect could be a gem and you have to think that way just because of the way our US scouts have been killing it at the draft.
Boeser, Gaudette, Lockwood, Demko, etc
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With Lind and Gaudette the Canucks will have some much needed Swagger in the lineup.
Very fortunate to get this kid at 33.
Having a more impressive D+1 than Cody Glass who went 6th overall.
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On 1/16/2018 at 11:06 PM, RebuildTheRightWay(RTRW) said:
Pettersson will be elite, not a franchise level talent.
Then you'll be in for a surprise. His growth from 18-19 years of age from the Allsvenskan to the SHL is unprecedented. So far he is at 1.20 PPG in the SHL which is right behind Peter Forsberg for all time U20 PPG. He will have a top 3 best SHL season for U20 in history.
I shudder at what he can accomplish at age 22 with him fully grown into his body and with lower body strength. Like right now he's dominating a men's league at 168 lbs. Arguably the 3rd best league in the world.
He is having a better D+1 season than the Sedins, Zetterberg, Backstrom.
He will be a franchise level talent. 75-85 point potential.
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22 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said:
I heard one of the announcers at the WJC say that Pettersson was listed by the Swedes at 175. Can't prove it, just heard it. Thought he said it was in their guide. Anybody have access to one?
I heard 168 but could be wrong. Think it was a Pettersson interview on 650.
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1 hour ago, The 5th Line said:
How can you possibly compare that scenario? Glass has 62 points in 41 games, he's 6'2 and plays center. People around here have found plenty of excuses for Virtanen despite his lack of production, I'm pretty sure Glass would have plenty of support around here had we selected him, in fact, people would be saying Petterson is too skinny his game won't translate to the NHL(the exact same thing people said about Nylander and Ehlers.
"Kole Lind Isn't that far off of Glass as a prospect. Why would you take a guy like Glass in the top 10 when you can get similar talent in the late first( where Kole should have gone) to the 2nd round"
This is just hindsight, last year Glass was clearly the more valuable prospect and still is based on the position he plays alone, the rest is up for debate
You're either extremely overrating Cody Glass or Underrating Pettersson. Pettersson is tracking like a true Franchise level prospect. He is having a top 3 SHL season for u20 ever in the history of the league. Better than the Sedins, Zetterberg, Backstrom etc. These prospects are extremely difficult to obtain. It would be devasting if we let him slip past us and have him go on to be a star with another team. It would be 2014 all over again.
I don't think you understand how easy it is to get prospects like Cody Glass. These are good prospects but nothing special. He diidn't even make team Canada, a team with zero star forward prospects. At least Virtanen made team Canada. The guy is on pace for points with our 2nd round pick Kole Lind.
The people who say he's "too skinny" or He'll get destroyed in the Western Conference" hurr durr are people you shouldn't take too seriously. The league is shifting towards the Pettersson/Ehlers/Nylander type of players. Speed, Skill and Sense.
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1 hour ago, N7Nucks said:
Lind was gift wrapped to us in the second round. His draft spot is not indicative of his offensive skills at the CHL level. Seemingly everyone here was surprised Lind made it to the second round. Hell I wanted an additional 1st to grab Lind. But Glass can score and is superior defensively imo. His skating has taken major strides this year alone. Glass has elite skill, whether or not you want to believe it doesn't matter. Elite skill is more than just dangling really nice, which lets be honest Pettersson has him beat hands down. The fact you said Glass has "decent to good hockey sense" is a joke as well. I love Pettersson as much as the next guy but you don't need to devalue other players skills to up sell Pettersson.
As for the WJC thing, it's really not that big of a deal. At this point a good few of us don't put much stock in it anymore. Pettersson in the 2 years he's been there has 8 points in 13 games, nothing to really write home about. You gonna freak out about it? Probably not cause it doesn't really matter. Owen Tippett didn't make team Canada, is he bad too? Is Gadjovich better than Tippett, Glass, and Lind?
Why would I freak about his point totals in the WJC? Watch the games and see the plays he makes and you wouldn't need to worry about his point totals at the WJC. Pettersson's hockey sense and mind for creative plays and vision are vastly superior to Cody Glass IMO. Which in my view puts him on another level. Pettersson had the highest ceiling in the draft. In his draft -1 he put up a PPG in a men's league( Allsvenskan - IMO a very underrated league) at 160 lbs. He has actually outdone that and thus far has put up >1.0PPG in the SHL. His growth from 18-19 years old has been astronomical. What can Pettersson accomplish at age 22 when he has fully grown into his body?
Kole Lind Isn't that far off of Glass as a prospect. Why would you take a guy like Glass in the top 10 when you can get similar talent in the late first( where Kole should have gone) to the 2nd round. Like I said if we had Glass right now and another organization drafted Pettersson after us it would be a complete disaster similar to the 2014 draft where we pass on Nylander and Ehlers and they go on to be stars.
And just FYI, I do like Glass but see him as a second line centre whereas Pettersson is a franchise talent IMO.
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9 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:
They are both highly regarded for their elite skill and hockey sense. So I don't really see how that situation is the same as 2014. Pettersson is taller than Glass, and could very well be heavier or just as heavy as Glass at the NHL level. Unless Glass turns out to be more like Ryan Johansen (which I believe is what Button said he seems like). 2014 was down between a power forward that can skate really well and score and a playmaking winger. Last year was between two playmaking centers (hypothetically, we don't really know who Vancouver coveted if Pettersson was for some reason taken earlier. Probably Heiskanen or whoever dropped outta the top 4). 2014 is hardly a "disaster". We got a NHLer that can still become a top 6 forward if the coaching staff ever gives the guy a chance.
Cody Glass definitely doesn't have elite skill lol. He has decent to good hockey sense as well but nothing that blows you away in terms of creativity. If we picked Glass it would have been a disaster just like picking Virtanen over Ehlers/Nylander.
Just imagine Pettersson on the Rangers(reportedly extremely high on him and was their target at 7) doing what he is in the SHL while we have Glass who can't even outproduce Kole Lind who we got at pick 33. Glass left off the WJC as well. Canuck's universe would go nuclear.
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Elias Pettersson | #40 | C
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Actually, i had Pettersson 3rd overall on my list.
He's actually a good example. If we drafted my need we would've drafted Liljegren or Brannstom.
Who would you rather have Pettersson or those D-men?
Imo Pettersson was a can't miss prospect and so are Svechnikov/Zadina/Tkachuk/Wahlstrom so unless there is a can't miss d-man valuable(Dahlin, Boqvist) I hope we grab one of those stud forward prospects like we did with Pettersson.