R.Dahlin26
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Gaudette with his 2nd
nice bank shot
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And now he does!
his 22nd
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Gaudette all alone and can't buried it
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Tkachuk is a beast. Just crushed someone in the corner and seconds later had a great scoring chance
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1 hour ago, RogersTowell said:
The discussion of EP's weight is very reminiscent of similar discussions by leafs fans over Mitch Marner.
And the way Canucks fans talked about Ehlers and Nylander.
They only weigh 165 lbs! They would get killed in the western conference! "These smaller players can dominate junior but won't be as effective in the NHL."
Pettersson could be playing in the NHL this year and be putting up 50-60 points as a rookie regardless of how much he weighs.
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Gaudette with his 21st of the season.
2 points so far.
His team will face BU on Monday in the beanpot final. TSN 2 will have the game.
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Lind with the primary assist. 2 points on the night so far.
Kid's points all seem to be primary. Beast.
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Joel Persson, d-man for Vaxjo is intriguing. Only 23 and solid production. Looked good on the powerplay with Pettersson. Should be worth a look from us.
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20 minutes ago, The Great Canucks said:
Why? Because you said so?
There actually is no rule here no matter how much you want to tell yourself otherwise.
Yes for me Top 5 picks shouldn't take more than 2 years to be regular NHL'ers, contributing. At least future impact players that's for sure. Otherwise you most likely made the wrong choice and missed evaluated. This is my opinion.
Like for someone like Jack Rathbone I would expect 3-5 years of development
But for Juolevi, who was a top 5 pick, the longer he takes the more concerning it gets for me and i'm sure for others. I'm expecting big things from him this upcoming training camp and want him to make the team so he can actually start taking steps at the NHL level towards being a top 4 d-man. This recent healthy scratching and playing as the 7th d man doesn't really inspire any confidence but we have to see how he responds to this adversity.
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Just now, Warhippy said:
Lol.
Maybe grab a tissue and take your own advice.
6+ posts per page about "omg guys hez zo baaaad" over the last week.
That's not crying that is called criticising, which some of you childishly get triggred by
You on the other hand rush into this thread every time I post whinging about something.
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5 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
There we go.
Definitive proof nothing about Juolevi will make you happy.
Ok guys we can stop engaging now
It was a questionable pick at the time and it still is to me. Nothing Juolevi has done has really changed that and the players that I wanted are ripping it up in the NHL and looking like future stars so that doesn't help.
If Juolevi makes the team out of training camp due to his play that will make me happy. Also, maybe not being the 7th d-man in the finnish league would help me feel better.
Stop crying.
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16 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
Yourarguments are baseless and proven wrong every page you post on.
Comparable production in his D+1 year with less minutes, pp time and less offense in his forwards plus a record setting pace in his u-20 rookie year in the finnish leagues is not rocky development
You just want instant gratification
Looking like a disaster in training camp is rocky development IMO. He didn't improve his numbers from his draft season to his D+1 season that to me is stagnation.
Actaully I have mostly posted my opininons on his recent scratches/limited minutes, and given my thoughts about what I expect out of him. So I can't see how I'm being proven wrong.
People really need to stop saying this record breaking u-20 pace lol. First off he's not even at the top of the list and secondly the list is compiled of nobody's either undrafted or mid round picks other than 2-4 players.
Look at your posts in the beginnning of this thread, in 1.5 years your opininon might have changed mine hasn't. Deal with it.
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4 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:
That's the only reason I responded. I, like others, come in here to find info on and discuss Juolevi, only to find page after page of someone posting the same thing over and over. His last response only validated that he's trolling; it's their usual "What's wrong, can't handle it? Muh free speech!" schtick. Unfortunately, as we saw in Jake's thread which ballooned to over 1000 pages, most of which were this same tripe, the admins rarely do anything about it.
Just beacuse you can't handle criticism of a prospcet doesn't mean I can't express my opinions or thoughts.
I have a lot of posts in this thread beacuse I'm literally having discussions with 4-5 different posters.
But you keep playing the victim card.
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2 minutes ago, ohmy said:
@R.Dahlin26 I really do understand the point you are trying to make and you are entitled to your opinion. He is not meeting expectations so far in your eyes and that is fine. You are however taking a close minded approach and not looking at the big picture which again you have the right to. Most of us disagree with your stance as everyone knew Juolevi most likely would not make it until he was 20. It was stated at the draft he would need a few years. He would have exceeded expectations if he made the team sooner than that. At this moment he is on track with his development which again you can disagree with if you like. Just one question for you though. If all you knew about Juolevi this season was the stats he has put up thus far in Liga as a 19 year old and that he was named a top3 player for his team at the world juniors then would you still feel this way about him?
So far I actually thought he was having a solid season definlty better than his D+1. If you go into the WJC thread you can see what I had to write about Juolevi.
It was only up until his recent healthy scratches where my concerns started to grow. Hopefully it's just to rest him mentally and he ends off the year on a strong note but again now he's playing as the 7th d-man so it's not really sitting well with me.
And yes I have every right to say if he's not in the NHL by next year making strides that would be a dissapointment.
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1 minute ago, Ihatetomatoes said:
Having higher standards and expectations doesn't really relate to how long it takes until your in the NHL though. You have high standards and expectations on how good that player will be in the long run at their peak. You can take examples of other players to show that most successful top 5 picks were in the NHL in their D+2 seasons but that isn't a rule, plenty of top drafted high end defenseman who were in the NHL within their D+2 years ended up mediocre of being busts. There are examples of highly drafted defenseman who weren't in the NHL in their D+2 seasons. Also looking at the top 20 best defenseman in the NHL it's littered with guys who were drafted later in the round and took plenty of time to make the NHL. I really don't understand how or why you put so much emphasis on the time it takes for him to make the NHL. Maybe you're expectations are too high. Just because he was the first defeneman taken and was taken at 5th doesn't mean he has to be a #1 defenseman. IMO if he ends up like Hamhuis or Salo who were never really top pairing defenseman than it would be considered a win. It really comes down to who else would you have drafted at that position, a good argument could be made for Tkachuk or Sergachev. Juolevi could still easily be as good or better than those 2, hard to compare with Tkachuk who is a winger and while Sergachev is in the NHL and putting up points he has been massively sheltered and is playing on an offensive Juggernaught of a team. He's also been healthy scratched for looking tired and it's no guarantee he will be the better player in the long run. See Horvat vs Nichuskin.
Also a thing to note is that due to Juolevi's age he can't play in the AHL, many of these defenseman that were playing in their d+2 years started in the AHL and were called up.
Beacuse he is a top 5 pick, it honestly shouldn't take more than 2 years. My expectation isn't just an NHL'er but I expect an impact player out of Juolevi.
Just think about it he has gained his weight now, a year playing against men, what will be the excuse if he has another bad traing camp? If he isn't close to making the NHL?
Again we'll see how he performs in training camp.
cheers.
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4 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:
Funny you should ask. I was just thinking, maybe CalgaryPuck commissioned 5thLine to come in here and endlessly troll us over Virtanen, and now they've sent this guy to troll us over Juolevi. What makes it apparent something's up is that he posts so much that eventually he makes some really, and I mean REALLY obviously dumb comments.
Lol so you're sensitive beacuse of Virtanen?
Relax a little criticism that is IMO warranted for a prospect isn't going to kill you
It's extremely cringe when I see grown ass men use the word "Troll" or childish picture memes on a hockey disscusiion board.
If you don't like my posts no ones making you enter this thread forcing you to read them.
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5 minutes ago, cyoung said:
Draft picks are solely based on immediate impact. They put the most emphasis on their projected ceiling. With every post you make, it seems like you know less and less.
What do you see Juolevi's ceiling as?
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2 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:
So he's NOT "contributing"? Sorry, but most of your posts are just trolling and this is outright foolishness. Unfortunately people keep taking the bait, as it was in the Virtanen forum with 5th Line and The Frog.
If you disagree attack the argument not the poster. I could go to everything that I don't like to hear and say "you're just trolling" but I'd rather debate like these discussion boards are for.
This is a prospect who has had a rocky development so far and it's not the end of the world to acknowledge it.
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3 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:
Remember this is a top 5 pick not a 3rd round pick.
It really shouldn't take more than 2 years for your top 5 picks to start contributing.
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13 minutes ago, Ihatetomatoes said:
Why would there be a set time for development? You draft a player for the player he will be in his prime, not the player he will be in 3 years.
You can look a the history of top 5 picks and see that most high end top defenseman are in the NHL in at least there D+2 years, however if you look at the top defenseman in the league regardless of draft postion you will see that plenty of them took much longer that 2 years to make the NHL. It really doesn't matter where they were picked, it matter where they end up in the long run.
Yes it does matter where they were picked. If you're picked in the top 5 you should have considerbly higher standards and expectations compared to propects picked in the mid rounds.
Just beacuse PK Subban took 3 years and now is Norris Calibre, doesn't mean i can excuse Juolevi's, imo, rocky development so far and say "who cares about right now it only matters in the end, look at these other d-men who took 3-4 years!" when those d-men have had excellent deveolpment years leading to their Norris status.
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16 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
Only in CDC land and only with some select people is the highest ranked defenceman in a draft "highly questionable"
Lol I suggest reading your own posts on pages 1-3 of this thread.
You might not feel that way anymore, but I still do.
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3 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
You said in the last decade of all the top 5 players there were only 3 non NHL players in their D+2 seasons.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/index.html
Suggest you look at those numbers, because while you're cherry picking your facts, there's a fair sight more that NEVER became NHL players of any calibre based on their vaunted draft status.
You want. You feel. You believe. You you you, I, I, I.
You're aware you get, deserve and are owed nothing. OJ is developing. If you're not patient enough to be able to accept that go cheer for one of the other guys we should have drafted based off of your expert opinion in hindsight
*by their D+2 seasons. So after 2 years they should at least be full time NHL'ers.
Guys like Strome, MDC, Reinhart all are taking 3-5 years and all look like disspointments or are busts.
Yes guys like Schenn/Gudbranson/Bogasian look like awful picks for where they were drafted.
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1 minute ago, Ihatetomatoes said:
It's no guarantee that Pettersson will be in the NHL next year. He has shown that he can get overwhelmed on the smaller ice surface against bigger players. My argument is that IF he's not in the NHL because he's not big enough and needs to get bigger, how detrimental to his overall ceiling would you put that?
I'm not assuming that taking a project D man will pay off and not saying Juolevi was the best pick at the spot he was in, I'm just saying his physical maturity has had a big role in his development so far and now that he has put on weight and will have had a season to adjust and train next year will be a tell all year with no more excuses. I'd definitely argue that this year has had much more ups than downs, he's been playing great from all accounts until he came back from the WJC's tired. I mean he had a great WJC's and showed his potential, he's blowing any expectations of offensive contributions this year out of the water so taking a small hiccup of being benched for a few games after the WJC's as a major reason for concern is a little dramatic IMO. Heiskanen was also a healthy scratch at one point this year.
Why would he need to get bigger? He's dominating the SHL at 170lbs. Over the years he'll add weight naturally. Going by NHLe he would put up 60 points in the NHL going off his SHL production. Didn't look overhelmed at all on the smaller surface at all to me. His ceiling will always be a first liner to me because numbers don't lie.
Imo he'll make the team right out of camp.
As for Juolevi we'll see how he looks in training camp. It just that this recent news about him sitting/7th d-man is concerning and raises questions.
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