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15 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:
That’s Mathieu Darche.
Brisebois gets all the accolades as a famous NHL “capologist,” but reportedly it’s Darche (as Director of Hockey Ops) who handles most of Tampa Bay’s day to day cap tracking and management. And he also does a lot of their contract work.
I suggested Darche as the final AGM hire, in my post earlier, if we end up with a management group (under PoHO JR) with GM Allvin, AGM Clancey, and AGM Botterill.
AGM Darche would round out that group quite nicely.
While I agree with your take, it's also worth pointing out that these things are teamwork. Darche might be the expert when it comes to details (although I'm sure he has a few lower level staff members doing brilliant work that we'll never know about), but Brisebois is definitely a factor in all decisions. Same with scouting etc.
That's why it's a fine line between hiring the people you already know you work well with (which means the team will work) and bringing in people with new perspectives that are more of unknowns in this aspect. My thinking is that a mix is probably the right approach.
Also think the mentoring part from JR gets overlooked. Yes, some candidates might decline since short term the mandate is less, but for the right GM/AGM it's a golden opportunity.
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I agree that QH has proved a lot this year both defensively and offensively and both contract and his future looks good.
As for the PP though, his shot is IMO a glaring weakness. I really liked the game where they rotated freely on the PP, and I think that's what QH needs, to be able to move around as a unpredictable rover avoiding being stationary and predictable with a weak shot. We do have the players to make a system like that work (a la Boston, Edmonton etc).
Overall just happy to have him though.
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On 12/9/2021 at 10:54 PM, Baer. said:
SHL is a pretty low tier league. Players need to be well over PPG to be considered possible NHLers. But he's still young and has time to improve.
Hogs was 0.39 PPG in SHL and is 0.45 PPG in the NHL. There are only five players over PPG currently in the SHL. Younger players are usually not near PPG in the SHL unless they are at the level of Sedins/Forsberg/EP etc.
That said - Karlsson is 22 so as a younger player he's a bit on the old side so to speak. Seems to be a late bloomer, wouldn't predict him as top 6 in the NHL but could be a very nice 3rd liner if he pans out. Don't think anyone can tell his ceiling quite yet.
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Just now, Warhippy said:
Yotes aren't moving to quebec any time soon. I just feel it's only a matter of time.
Neither Boeser or Miller have NMC/NTC protection.
Yeah, but you don't sign and trade players like that against their will? I.e. imagine the backlash if one of them signed in the belief of being in the Nucks long term plan and then immediately got shipped? I know it could happen and it has happened before, but in this case they would have to be on board with the trade IMO.
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1 minute ago, NUCKER67 said:
What is ARI doing? Chychrun is only 23, and a really good Dman already. Shouldn't they be building around him and Keller, Hayton, etc?
I agree with @Warhippythat they are doing a reboot to prepare for relocation. Chychrun is maybe not too old for that, but would he have the mental strength to stick around for 5 years+ until maybe being on a winning team?
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12 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
Fine i'll jump in.
Miller or Boeser
Dipietro or Klimovich
Lockwood or Rathbone
2022 2nd
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Chychrun
Ladd (cap dump)
There'd have to be some finagling of numbers but cap for cap it's close. With Boeser it would have to be a sign and trade. With Miller possibly same thing. The kids they get are under cap/rfa protection. At this stage of the game I am unsure why everyone thinks the Yotes want roster players myself when it is clear they want to dump cap and accumulate picks for their move to Quebec
Would love Chychrun on our team, with QH, OEL and him (and servicable defensive RD to complement already in place) + our stacked top 9, all we would miss after that is a big body or two and a better 4th line.
Don't see us giving up the needed picks though, agree the Yotes are after picks and not players, why would they even consider trading all their good players otherwise? Don't see why Miller or Boeser would be interested in a sign and trade to go to Yotes/Quebec though.
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3 minutes ago, Timråfan said:
When rhd players get an insane amount as salary Tanevs 4,5 is a drop in Mississippi.
Poolman is what???
Term is the issue, not the cap hit. If Tanev plays 70+ games a season + playoffs on more or less his current level that's a good deal for any team. There are a lot of ifs attached to that sentence though, and if he's injured 20 games + misses substantial time in the playoffs it causes major problems for both cap and roster construction overall.
So far it seems like it was a mistake letting him go, but too early to tell really, and I can definitely see the reasoning behind the decision.
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3 minutes ago, eeeeergh said:
I felt like he did eventually do so bringing in OEL. Letting Edler go was a mistake, but one I blame Green for - Edler's "decline" was clearly a system/utilization issue, proven by how good he looks in LA right now.
Tanev is a tough one - he was going to need 4.5m/year. And again likely b/c of player utilization, he spent a good chunk of every season injured (1/4 - 1/3). 4.5m/year for a player thats going to miss 30% of games? Now of course Calgary has figured out how to use him in a way that keeps him healthy, but I can understand the thinking behind letting him go.
I still maintain our defense isnt as bad as people think - we basically need 1 more top-4 defenseman to round it out. They were absolutely all hung out to dry by Green and Baumer's passive defensive system.I don't think anyone would have objected to Tanev at 4.5 for 2 years here. But there are 2 more years remaining after this season IIRC and the jury's still out on that. And there's also the fact that Tanev hasn't actually played a full season in Calgary yet, so... If we would have signed him for 4 years and he ended up injured for 1/3 of the 2 last years, that would have been a disaster for our team going forward. Not arguing we could use him right now though ;-)
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9 minutes ago, nuck-lifer said:
Wow, dare to ask what's with this new age coaching style of common sense?
My thoughts exactly. So satisfying to finally see line combinations that actually makes sense.
And lots of players had their best game of the season last night. Also thought EP skated way better all of a sudden.
If EP and Boeser - and to some degree Horvat and Hogs - get going our top 9 will be hard to handle doe most teams.
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Just now, EmilyM said:
If Petey can't feed off of Podz and Garland's energy, I don't know what else you can do for him
No he has to do it on his own. Think he's slowly getting better for each game and the compete is there, but even if he turns it around later on it looks like kind of a lost season for him.
Missing all that time AND training camp really hurt as many here realized. A shame those who negotiated didn't prioritize that.
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I can live with Podz - EP - Garland
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15 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:
OEL has been good. I would not say great every game. He has taken some really dumb penalties that cost the team. He has provided next to no offense although that’s not entirely his fault with this dumb coach.
Hoglander gives his all every shift. He does more with less ice time than any player on this team.
I think the penalities are a bit unfair as he generally suffer from other players mistakes.
Agree totally on Hogs making the most of what he's given. Been like that since day one of rookie training camp.
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2 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:
Sorry our best player by far has been Demko. Position players it has been Hoglander.
You could make case for Demko, especially earlier in the season. Hogs been good and even great at times but is still inconsistent (great player though and hopefully a bright future). OEL has been great every game though and makes the right play 9 times out of 10 both on O and D. If you don't see that we're just not watching the same games.
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28 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:
Not sure how many 7 mil shutdown dmen a team should want. I would say none. OEL needs to be putting up points to be a net positive. Unfortunately we get a steady diet of Hughes and his one move to cut out from the boards and pass to EP for a non one timer.
OEL is a far more creative offensive player than Hughes especially on the PP. Because he can pass to both sides of the ice and his shot actually hits the net and is hard enough to make opposing teams have to worry about it.
I agree that it would be better to have OEL in less of a shutdown role and with more freedom, especially considering salary as you mention. That said he's been our best player by far IMO and not sure how anyone could come to another conclusion when actually watching the games, and that makes the cap hit a bit of a moot point.
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Just now, GB5 said:
Miller for Fiala is a non starter.
Canucks have a lot of skilled wingers. Miller is a physical center/winger and the team leading scorer which puts a higher premium on what he provides.
Don't think Minny is a good trading partner for us. Maybe for Boeser but not Miller, doesn't fit their timeline. I think NYI is our partner although I'm nervous about JB dealing with Loui..
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1 minute ago, wallstreetamigo said:
Not sure I would say he sold high. He bought extremely high then sold for a player a bit better.
would you trade what he traded for Gudbranson to get Pearson? If the answer is no, he didn’t sell high.
Not saying Pearson at the end of this is a win, but I can see the appeal in Guddy after that playoffs and I do think Pearson is more valuable to the team than might be obvious (although not as a top 6 scoring forward).
In my view it's the players that wasn't traded that are JB's mistakes (Markstrom, Tanev comes to mind) along with the Virtanen resigning. The trades i don't mind overall.
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10 minutes ago, PetterssonOrPeterson said:but, but we already have Ekman Larsson as our enforcer
Bo skating away when Podz got hit and letting OEL fight McNabb is a real low point in so many ways.
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In the last "normal" season (2018-2019) it took 99 points in the east and 90 in the west to take the last wildcard spot. The west is probably better now so I'm guessing at least 95 points are needed this year. In reality that means the team needs to play like 35-19-12 the rest of the way.
Since for each game lost that kind of record is more and more unlikely - not sure it's likely at all to be honest - the fact that we're playing like a bottom dweller not capable of winning even one game right now means big changes are needed right now if we don't want to give up on the season.
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Regardless of rumours JT is a frustrating player. Sometimes brilliant and physical but always inconsistent and with 3 giveaways for every good play.
When Hogs lost his balance at the Vegas blue line he made every effort to sweep the puck away to avoid a counter attack. When Miller lost his balance in the same position he just gave up on the play and Vegas scored. (Think it was the 5-4 or 6-4 goal in the third, so not a good time to quit playing...)
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That game was embarassing. Could've been double digits against if the Avs were a little sharper.
Watching the better teams like Avs, WIld etc. to me it's just obvious they have a better system. They can keep the puck under control in the o zone, they can usually get out of the d zone. I know many neutral observers had us missing the playoffs, so maybe it's just the players not being good enough? Not believing that though, I think we have the players (although still thin on D), but the coaching and systems just isn't there.
I think it's time for a coaching change. I'd give Green the Vegas game, but unless a convincing game and a different attitude on the ice, it's time after that. If we turn it around this season and make the playoffs, GMJB can last a bit longer, otherwise he should be fired when we're eliminated from the playoffs.
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14 minutes ago, JM_ said:
that would be a nice line. So Pearson-Dickie-Hoglander as the 3rd line? Don't see a lot of scoring there tho.
Pretty much spot on. Dickie doesn't have to be an offensive catalyst as a 3C but he needs to bring some offense which he hasn't. Pearson doesn't need to be Brett Hull 2.0 but he needs to bury at least one of four setups right in front of the net from Hoglander, which again, he hasn't.
So we need a better 3C and if we had one Hogs and/or Pearson on the 3rd line should be fine.
Worth mentioning that Hogs has arguably been our best forward so far even though the production isn't there (yet). Pearson is fine overall and I don't agree with him being inconsistent, he's just a streaky scorer but the positioning and effort is always there.
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10 hours ago, ABNucksfan said:
Did you tug one out after last game?
Fans aren’t Pettersson haters… we are haters of arrogance and greed. Once Pettersson realizes hes here because he was able to play hockey and did it well, and stop worrying about his image and social media, and start playing with passion and conviction we will all stop riding his ass!
He just made a contract that painted himself into a 7 million dollar corner, and will have to put up with the scrutiny of it.
Have you watched the games and come to the conclusion that he's lazy on the forecheck or backcheck? If so we're watching different games.
His skating is off, his timing with the puck is off, confidence seems off and in general he's just been bad, but defense and effort has been there all along in my view. I think if you understand the game it's obvious that it's just so much easier to play when you have confidence and things go your way.
I think he's slowly getting a little better for each game and I guess 8 points in 12 games is not bad considering how far below his standard he's played offensively.
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2 hours ago, Alienhuggyflow said:
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People who use analytics as a be all end all in hockey remind me of people who think they can learn to swim by watching a YouTube video thinking theory can transfer to application then abruptly drown or get eaten by a shark lol.
Analytics might work for baseball but until they can quantify chance, chaos etc the data will always be subjective.
There is a thread on HF praising Quinn for his excellent play and a bunch of haters who look only at analytics say he's still horrible 5on5, when in reality the numbers are skewed because our forwards have been poor for the most part offensively. the reality is he's been on the ice for 3 GA 5on5 while being on the ice for 8 of our 14 goals 5on5.
All one has to do is watch to see the truth.
Analytics are garbage and the fact that somebody decides what's considered a high danger shot or all the rest of them that show you something without factoring in the randomness and the million little things that can't be crunched into a number or % is why they can only be taken with a grain of salt.
Analytics are useful imo but definitely has flaws, and definitely don't paint the entire point. Your comparison with learning to swim from watching YouTube is spot on, and there's also lots of contributions that don't show up in analytics. EP:s back check before the OT goal last game, OEL calmly avoiding the forecheck, Horvat dumping the puck just deep enough for tired linemates to change, just as a few examples.
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47 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:
You can say those things about everyone on that top unit. Singling out our leading pp producer makes no sense.
I think it's more about QH:s shot not really generating anything vs OEL. Someone mentioned the idea about having both OEL and QH on PP1 with OEL the traditional quarterback and QH in a rover role. I like that. Also would like Boeser and Horvat on PP2 to balance the formations.
In a few years I hope we have two strong PP formations with EP and QH maybe staying on for an extra shift in tight games.
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[GDT] December 19, 2021 GAME POSTPONED (Was Arizona @ Vancouver) - PLEASE KEEP IT TO HOCKEY RELATED TALK
in Canucks Talk
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I like your analysis and realize that everyone has their own opinion on Miller - which is fine and fun, he's kinda a polarizing player - but in my eyes and I hope in JR:s it's not a tough call at all. Thank you for your contribution but within our window of contention you're not a good contract, not the right age and not the right type of player to not be at the right age and cap hit, so we'll deal you before your current contract expires.