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7 hours ago, N4ZZY said:
I’d be happy with either Grans or Faber.
Would be over the moon if we could land Clarke.
I agree. You can’t be disappointed with Grans or Faber but the cream of the crop is definitely Clarke. I’m very curious to see how the situation shakes out, I assume if they move Miller it will be at or before the deadline so the 1st they get will be in the system ASAP
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8 minutes ago, Coconuts said:
Def, they've got some great RD prospects
Some interesting forwards too
They could definitely put an intriguing package together if they chose to
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8 minutes ago, Coconuts said:
And he's got size to boot, that kind of blend or size and pedigree is worth taking a chance on. He'd be a cost controlled RFA asset too.
LA's got some great D prospects, would love to land Clarke.
Clarke would be phenomenal to add but I don’t think they move him, Faber or Grans would be a great consolation get if you can’t get Clarke though
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9 minutes ago, Coconuts said:
Yeah, NYR would need to be giving up more
I still like LA as a trade partner
I'd love to land Kakko, I think we could get more out of him
I agree, he’s still so young and he plays the game the right way. He’s actually really solid all over the ice it’s just his production that hasn’t come yet but at 21 I think he’s a worthy piece in a potential Miller trade. I agree with you, LA sure has some nice pieces they could potentially offer up
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18 minutes ago, JM_ said:
they are going to have to give up something more than Chytil and Lundkvist tho. We can probably get equal value at that level from a lot of teams.
I absolutely agree, I would be willing to take one of the 2 on if I could land a player I really want as the other player. If it’s Lundqvist then I ask for Kakko and a 1st or Kravstov and a 1st and 2nd. If it’s Chytil then I need Schneider in that package with a first
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5 hours ago, higgyfan said:
I still don't see the Rags trading for JT, but if it did happen, I would want Kravtsov included. He is an RFA now.
Ranger's need a top 6 RW; maybe they take Garland + 2nd (2023) for Kravstov + Lundkvist
I think any trade they make they’re going to be looking to include Kravstov, he doesn’t want to be there and that bridge may be burned so I imagine they look to move him and of all their young pieces on D I’d think they probably prefer to move Lundqvist too
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5 hours ago, JM_ said:
I wouldn't be thrilled, but I'm starting to see that this might be where the team is headed. If we could land a more established RHD I'd feel better about it.
I think pretty highly of Schneider so if he was in a package I’d be extremely happy, I really do t see the Rangers giving up a package with him in it though
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1 hour ago, JM_ said:
this has always been my concern over the magic beans scenario.
Sometimes losing the best player in a trade but gaining depth is beneficial in a cap world. I love Miller but he will be 30 when his extension would kick in and the first few years MAY bring fair value but more then likely the majority of the contract he will be anywhere from overpaid to vastly overpaid. If we can get 3-4 cost controlled assets then I’m all for it. For example IF we could get Schneider, Chytl and a first I think you have to jump on it, an added second would be incredible. But you’re getting 2 guys that are playing on the roster immediately that are young and much less expensive so we are filling holes and then there’s the potential from the picks, far from a guarantee but definitely benefits our lacklustre prospect pool and gives us the potential for ELCs in the future that would be a massive benefit
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2 minutes ago, S N Y P E R S 7 said:
If the Canucks trade Miller in a package to New Jersey for that #2 overall, who are you picking at that spot?
Slafkovsky or I trade back a couple spots and nab one of Nemec or Jiricek
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1 hour ago, BC_Hawk said:
Those two guys have no hands, just size! And Chaisson isn’t the answer either, but to think MacEwan or Gadjovich are anything other than 4 line fodder is humerus.
Honestly….If Kane wasnt such a Dbag, he is exactly the player we need to play with Petterson and Garland.
lol…and obviously u don’t know numbers, contract lengths, nor have you looked where NHL contracts are going; OEL is not an atrocious contract, nor was Myers when it was signed. Both players improved our d, versus Antivax Hamonic or Poolman. Why trade Myers this off-season when u need the $$ in 2023.
And what has allvin done so far; trade a POS it Hamonic for a 3rd…win. Then, give that 3rd back for a 7/8 Dman that would have been on waivers.
Gadjovich and Macewan both add toughness and are cheap, I’m not saying they’re top 6 players but they’re better to have then a season of Chiasson. And anyone with a shred of hockey knowledge knows the OEL contract is terrible and at his age is only getting worse. I’m not saying he’s a bad player but THE CONTRACT absolutely sucks. On the hook for over 7.2 million through his age 35 season with a full no move, take off your homer glasses. You’re hilarious. This must be Jim Bennings account
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1 hour ago, lmm said:
I gave you a teddy bear because we don't have a Gino Emoje.
We were pretty tough in the 80s but lacked the skill
pretty tough again during the Quinn era, Gino, Sergio, Hunter, Antoski, Peca...
then we traded Peca for Almo and have been pretty soft ever since
In recent times we seem to feel the need to fill the tough guy spot with young men
went to the finals with Oreskovich, who was not suited to play hockey let alone patrol the 4th line in the playoff.
the next year we had 20 year old Zack Kassian, I think I'd rather have 31 year old ZK
Then Dorsett who was just small
Then Jake, haha mis-cast on so many levels
Now its Highmore, or is it Lammikko, or Lockwood, or Richardson.
If its Richardson at least he isn't 20 years old
Maybe its Petan
edit,
this is the team that Chose Bobby Lalonde over Larry Robinson
so it goes back to 1971
Current team should have more toughness but JB lost Gadjovich and Macewan on waivers which was another case of his awful
asset management. Bringing Chiasson in the lineup to lose one of them was stupid at the time and with hindsight
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43 minutes ago, BC_Hawk said:
OEL is a good top pairing LD. Those who think otherwise are delusional. What he needs, much like Hughes, is a rock steady physical RD. Myers is not that guy; he is more an offensive Dman if allowed to wheel. We need another physical RD this off-season, but that doesn’t mean to jettison Myers. Let’s use him on the third pairing in 2022/23, then flip him at trade deadline. He’d be great next to a more defensive Dman like Burroughs or act as a vet next to Rathbone in sheltered minutes. A defense of the following would look great:
OEL - FA RD
Hughes- Schenn
Rathbone/Dermott/Burroughs-Myers
And those in the trade Pearson camp are delusional too; he is a solid player. We need another FA LW to play next to Peterson.
To free up cap, we need to do everything to get rid of Poolman & Dickenson; even attaching higher end draft picks! And don’t resign Beoser; use the $ for a big bodied FA LW for Petterson with decent hands.
So trade our higher end draft picks, OEL is a top pairing defenceman we just need to sign another top pairing right shot Dman, let Boeser walk and instead of trying to trade Myers use that 6 million on our 3rd pairing? I’m glad this teams hands is in Rutherford and Allvin and not yours, that would be a nightmare
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7 minutes ago, RU SERIOUS said:
I think it's safe to say that JR will entertain any conversations from other teams RE; those 5 guys !
I think he will too, without a doubt. I just couldn’t believe the other poster said there was no bad contracts. I doubt OEL will waive his NMC for any team that would take him on but we will see. Myers may be easier to move so fingers crossed one of them can be moved out without a bad contract involved coming our way
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12 hours ago, iceman64 said:
What other terrible contracts do we have? OEL? Certainly not, we desperately need a top pairing D also Myers is a big boy we will need if we ever hope to get anywhere if we make the playoffs unless we sign some other size OR stay the same old course of a soft highly skilled regular season team that get beat on and ousted by bigger skilled teams that know all they have to do is get rough and we sink... For the 42nd year straight, kind of getting a tad old but the story remains the same. We need a team balanced with scoring, toughness and team D, we lack in the latter that has to be dealt with, the best team at it always wins the cup and if we had depth and not a non existent farm the times we had teams close, we'd have a cup by now and wanting more.
OEL is a terrible contract, the fact that you can’t acknowledge that is almost mind blowing. The Myers contract is bad as well, he has size but when you watch him play do you see a guy with a nasty streak? I don’t. He’s not a terrible player but he doesn’t play to his size and isn’t worth 6 million. Tucker Poolman for the next 3 seasons sure isn’t ideal. Dickinson and Pearson make up almost 6 million a year for the next 2 seasons and that’s not ideal either, Pearson is a contributor and I actually like him but he’s probably best suited outside of the top 6 and Dickinson will hopefully take a step forward from his play this year but that is yet to be seen. Contracts like OEL and Myers in particular hinder a team from competing especially when we have younger more useful and competent players we’d like to get locked up
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28 minutes ago, IBatch said:
And both Benn and Seguin too were better at a younger age...
It’s so risky signing players to
big money into their mid 30s. Sometimes the hard decision in the moment is the best decision down the road
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15 minutes ago, hammertime said:
I am doubtful Kuzmenko is a 1st line caliber player. Top 3 players in the KHL (PPG) Gusev and Shipachyov aren't exactly world beaters.
# PLAYER TEAM GP G A TP PPG PIM +/- 1. 
Vadim Shipachyov (C)
Dynamo Moskva 48 24 43 67 1.40 47 11 2. Andrei Kuzmenko (LW)
SKA St. Petersburg 45 20 33 53 1.18 10 15 3. Nikita Gusev (LW/RW)
SKA St. Petersburg 31 10 25 35 1.13 4 8 I'm not against the signing per se just not expecting him to come in here and light it up like Kaprizov.
I can’t imagine he’s a top line player either, but if he adds to one of the PP units and chips in 35-40 points it’s a win. He’s gotta sign a 1 year ELC so there’s no risk involved
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1 minute ago, fanfor42 said:
If you want that major haul from NYR for Miller you better cheer for Pitt to knock them out. a poor playoff result for NYR means more likely they consider the trade you want.
I just think we should keep our powder dry and make smaller moves while making the playoffs each year..
I get where you’re coming from, I’m just worried more about our cap moving forward then you are. Different philosophies and that’s ok.
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3 minutes ago, fanfor42 said:
I think making the playoffs next year is critical to the long term success of this core. You can't keep handing them sh*t seasons. They need to taste success. Keeping Miller IMO makes us better next year and keeps the core happy including Horvat. Look for other ways to improve the d but not trading Miller. I think it would be a major step back for the team (ala when Benning lost Tanev markie and Toff).
I agree the asset management was terrible in those cases and of course Miller makes us a better team next year and improves our chances at the playoffs, I’ve never said otherwise. I do think it’s unwise to sign him for 7 years at 8.5 million with some of the other terrible contracts we already have but solely as a player I love Miller. But if the Rangers offer Chytl, Schneider and a first then I think it’s best for the organization. We don’t have to agree on how we would build a team, but at the end of the day we both want the same thing, a Stanley cup
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2 minutes ago, hammertime said:
Move Miller then Horvat you say........ Pete the next year too?
I said I don’t want to lose Horvat, but if he’s not locked up you don’t risk losing him for nothing, that’s the kind of thing that will take this organization a long time to recover from. Asset management is key, which is something we didn’t have with the last regime. Horvat is one of my favourite players and I’d expect they get an extension done with him
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3 minutes ago, fanfor42 said:
IMO moving Miller makes it less likely we make the playoffs next year. You want to lose Horvat as a UFA? I think he has been clear that he does not want to be part of another rebuild.
There are surely other routes to improve the d without dealing Miller.
I think the team wants to win now. They don't want to get some draft picks and another young guy at the cost of Miller. I just don't think the room wants that.
Of course I don’t want to lose Horvat to UFA, asset management is one of the keys to running a high quality organization, if Horvat doesn’t sign an extension in the off-season or by the deadline unfortunately you have to look at moving him. The goal should always be to build a perennial Stanley cup contender, you don’t lose players for nothing and at points there are hard decisions to make
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2 minutes ago, fanfor42 said:
If Poolman stays on LTIR and Boeser signs for 6.25m or less there will be money for Miller and Horvat (as 4m in dead cap frees up in another year). So yes it is possible.
Strategic moves not wholesale change is what I am saying.
Is there not potential value in moving Miller and getting 3 pieces that more align with the age of our core and are on ELCs? I agree it would be phenomenal to keep everyone, I just don’t think it’s attainable. I see Miller getting 6-7 years and 8.5 million of not a hair more
I do think Boeser is attainable around that price but it’ll be a shorter term deal, maybe 3 years at that price if we are lucky
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1 minute ago, fanfor42 said:
It depends on which camp you are in - the one that feels we are close or the one that feels we are a long ways off.
Personally I want a couple strategic moves but not major surgery.
The new management needs to realize what this team has been through before launching into major changes. They have had terrible coaching with WD and then TG. Terrible. They have suffered some awful seasons as a result.
BB came in and turned it around for them. There is confidence growing. I don't want to see that tossed out like it doesn't matter.
The new management also does not understand what this fan base has been through. BB is the first real coach we have had in 8 years. And he is loved by the fans. I sure hope he comes back for next season cuz losing him would be really lousy right about now.
The new management needs to be patient and not go out of their way to make their mark just to show who is in charge. I think Petey Hogz podz Boeser Garland Huggy Rathbone Demko are all still improving. That bodes really well for the near future.
Horvat and Miller are solid. IMO we are not that far off. Improving the D without upsetting the apple cart is what I want to see - and continuity at coach thanks.
As a final thought I believe the goal should be making the playoffs the next 6 years in a row. I believe playoff experience will mold this team into a contender - not trying to "fix" it with wholesale personnel changes so that management can declare "Allvin there it is!"
I’d like to re sign everyone and improve the D corps as well, but how does that happen? How do we keep Boeser on a new deal and Miller and Horvat on extensions while fixing other holes? If everyone takes a discount it’s potentially possible, but not realistic to expect that
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35 minutes ago, aGENT said:Trading Miller doesn't necessarily equate to a step backward with the right return and subsequent moves.
There's zero reason this team can't be near/just as competitive next year AND with a better long term outlook, less shaky cap situation, more youth etc.
Can't make an omelette....
You’re absolutely right. Miller is about to get paid well into his 30s, the kind of contract that works out every once and a while but flops more often then not (there’s an absurd amount of examples but let’s just throw Jamie Benn out there, look at what he’s done from his age 30 season and onward and look at the cap). If we could hypothetically get 3 young pieces (picks and prospects or young players) then that’s multiple holes getting filled at Pennie’s on the dollar. Sometimes a step back is necessary to move forward. JB left this management group with some terrible contracts and they have to work around that, we will be a good team and this management team is poised and making the right decisions.
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21 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said:
My latest list should be on the previous page. But since then been watching 5 Nations from last fall, and Frank Nazar was quite clearly the better player than Lekkerimaki at that time. At this most recent U18s, things looked quite reversed. I mean Nazar is Nazar. Two words sum up his game to me: tenacity and quickness. But he does try a lot of low percentage plays. Trikozov, Casey and Kemell are the kings of low-percentage plays in this draft, but Nazar is somewhere on that end of the spectrum. Although, I'll often see those other guys take excessive risks with not a ton of obvious reward. Nazar makes high risk, high danger plays at the net, and he seems to usually find at least one a shift
But Lekkerimaki is on the other end of the pro-style spectrum. High percentage, high danger plays. Reminds me in parts of Rossi and Holtz from the 2020 draft, as a guy who does his best work off the puck. Like Holtz, he skates brilliant routes, gives himself multiple options, has an elite shot, and high-end multi-directional skating to move suddenly into scoring areas. But he's a more dynamic skater than Holtz, and a better playmaker with the puck on his stick. Couple inches shorter than Holtz though. The thing that stood out to me with Rossi was, so accustomed to playing with players he was vastly better than, making brilliant plays to them, you might not get it back and they might not create anything with it, so he learned to be elite at giving it up and using his playmaking ability to put himself in positions for his linemates to make good plays with ease. I see a lot of that from Lekkerimaki. He lacks some of Rossi's sandpaper and defensive acumen, but he's a better skater than Rossi, a better shooter, and a couple inches taller.
I like that a few people here are so bullish on McGroarty. I'm coming around a little more every time I see him.
Throughout most of the season Lekkerimaki is the guy I was really hoping would be a Canuck but he will be gone by 15, Nazar will be long gone too unless teams really drop the ball. McGroarty quite possibly played himself into a pick before 15 especially with organizations really narrowing down their lists over the next 2 months. There will still be some really intriguing prospects available, some safer then others and some with extremely high ceilings. I can’t wait to see what we do
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Kasper going 8-12, Kulich going top 16, Bichsel by 18 and I see 2 of Savoie, Kemmell and Nazar falling out of the top 12. Such an interesting year, very curious to see how it all pans out