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Patel Bure
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4 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:
It’s unfortunate for Norris but you just know that guys like Thomas Drance are going to use this as an excuse for the Senators losing tonight’s game if the Canucks manage to win tonight.
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One game at a time.
Focus on having a good 60-65 minutes and let nature take its course.
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3 hours ago, Vancan2021 said:
Teams without a cup;
Veg 4 seasons
Cbj 11 seasons
Nas 15 seasons
Min 18 seasons
Ara 22 seasons
SJS 22 seasons
Ott 25 seasons
Fla 25 seasons
Buf 52 seasons
Van 52 seasons
Sorry I may have + or - a year or so with a few teams.
Moral of the story... Yes we have every right to be pissed! Never appologize for showing frustrations with this crap we've been fooled to keep believing year after year.
Decent points but many Canucks fans aren’t exclusively NHL fans. For example, I’ve seen my other favorite teams such as the Seahawks, Blue Jays, BC Lions, and Miami Heat win, while my favorite tennis players Sampras and Agassi won numerous grand slams.
From a pure hockey perspective, we’ve seen Team Canada (Mens and Women) win the gold.
From a Canucks perspective, we’ve also seen everything outside of a cup (Presidents trophies, Conference championships, divisional championships, numerous individual accolades such as Hart trophies, Art Ross trophies, Jack Adams’, Jennings trophy, etc).
We haven’t won the cup but we’ve seen and experienced everything else.
By comparison - what have newer generation Flames fans and Oilers fans experience since 1989 and 1992 respectively outside of 2004 and 2006 cup runs? What about the Leafs since 2004?
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5 hours ago, ABNucksfan said:
Woah that was deep… thanks for the reality check… but I'm well aware how the world works and how a majority of the world lives.
I don’t come here to talk about life and all it’s perks and or downfalls. I come to talk hockey. The Canucks are my team win or loose and right now they suck so I’m upset about it and going to bitch about it.
Sometimes it’s nice to escape reality and enjoy a little break and thats what hockey is for me. Whether playing or watching. Ive been around long enough to cheer for the Canucks in 2 scf’s and and don’t want to go through the heartbreak again of loosing in the finals. I have friends who have been fans since the 82 finals (I was alive but wasn’t old enough like you) and before, and they are tired of the mediocrity as well.
Benning has proven he can’t put together a team. I want him gone. Green is sarcastic and annoying and makes brain dead decisions. I want him gone.
It seems the only way to win a cup is to tank and get top picks like the majority of cup winners over the last few years.
Is it so bad I'm tired of cheering for a NHL team that drinks sulfuric water and eats dog $&!# to survive?
It’s not bad at all to be tired of cheering the Canucks for being a bottom feeding team. All teams go through this. My point being is that this won’t last. Look at the Oilers and what they endured after 2006 for example. Leafs, Panthers, Hurricanes, Avs, Stars, Lightning, Rangers, etc., etc. They all went through it. Jets/Thrashers....you name it. Canucks, at some point, will be good again.
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5 hours ago, Beefcake said:
I don't know about outplaying their opponents, i kind of wonder where the Canucks would be without above average Goaltending from Demko
Hopefully, you also wonder where the Oilers would be without McDavid or where the Leafs would be without Matthews.
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5 hours ago, Alflives said:
No it’s not. Demko is a great goalie, but his save % isn’t great right now. He plays equal to other teams’ goalies, which is good. We are losing these close games for two reasons. Our specialty teams (PK and PP) have struggled, and Petey and Bess aren’t scoring like they can. If Demko plays like he has (which is fine) our PK and PP get back to league average, and Petey and Bess heat up we will win a lot.
That’s the anti-Benning crews’ favorite weapon. “We only stay in games because of Demko, Markstrom, and Judd Brackett.”
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7 hours ago, Warhippy said:
I saw the best/worst comment from this online
Is Pettersson still young enough to qualify? Maybe the medical experts can find out what happened to his game because it's obvious he's either lazy or handicapped
It's awful but I still had a lol out of it
That being said, good guy EP!!!!!!
Whoever wrote that comment........they’re not wrong. Given the way Petey has played this season, it’s a perfectly legitimate question. Boeser and Dickinson as well.
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15 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:
Gillis was actually very good at building the organization, particularly the front office. Benning and Weisbrod have stripped it down to a skeleton crew (likely on orders from Aquilini to save money) but also partly because they do not seem to want any dissenting voices to upset their (often flawed) decision making.
Benning had a core group given to him that went to the SCF a few years previous and won a back to back Presidents Trophy.
The fact that Gillis was a terrible drafter and left not much in prospects had little to no bearing on Benning’s faulty annual retool strategy. Benning had assets to trade he just chose not to trade them while they still had value. Unless Benning was going to do a rebuild from the start (which was never going to happen, he thought the team could be turned around quickly) why would it matter if he had no prospects to work with? He wasn’t doing a rebuild with youth anyway.
Many wanted a full on rebuild after the Canucks core showed they would never get over being emotionally wrecked by the Bruins.
“The Canucks being emotionally wrecked by the Bruins”
How do you figure? The Canucks defeated the Bruins on January 7th 2012 by a score of 4-3, and then proceeded to win the Presidents Trophy once again. In the playoffs, they lost to what suddenly became the best team in the NHL in the LA Kings and that was also partly due to the fact that we didn’t have Daniel Sedin for the first three games (we won game 4 when he came back).
In 2013, the Canucks as a team were in decline and this had nothing to do with Boston.
Agreed with you that the Canucks should have started rebuilding after their loss to the Kings. Gillis actually created a rebuilding proposal during the 2012 Summer and presented it to ownership and the Aqua’s basically told Gillis to go &^@# a goat.
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http://canuckscorner.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10892&start=1725
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Start dates alone shouldn't be used to judge a managers performance...you've got to look at what they inherited on their start dates...
Comparing what Gillis inherited on his first day to what Benning inherited is night and day different and to think how badly Gillis ran the organization into the ground in 6 short years is likely one of the reasons he remains unemployed...
For all of the bragging he and his supporters do about how progressive a manager he was doesn't equate to what happened to the organization in those 6 years...
Many in the hockey world predicted that it would take Benning at least 7 years to rebuild the organization, and while they never put this condition on their time lines, I'm sure that they were expecting that the team would have at least 1 first overall pick in those 7 years...
And for sure none of them would have predicted that Gillis would haunt the organization one last time with the Luongo recapture penalty ...
Benning has put together his core group of players, before this season began it was being touted as one of the very best young core groups in the league and now there are major question marks ...
If it needs to be retooled then in my opinion Benning shouldn't be the one to do it...If ownership decides to give Benning a mulligan because it still believes in that young core and the core is what has let the team down this year, then I think they change the coaches and Benning stays on...
If they have an opportunity to hire a highly qualified, proven manager then all bets are off and I think they let the Benning go and allow the new manager to decide Greens fate...
btw, I wish the media would stop throwing around 8 years...Bennings first year produced a 101 point season and how many fans would have been on board with blowing it up after that season and beginning the rebuild?
So the 8 years becomes 6 and then you had the bubble playoffs where the young core looked ready to take over the team which is what led to the decision to let some of the veterans go rather than get into long term deals...
Take care...[/quote]
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Barzal and Dobson?
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On 11/27/2021 at 6:42 PM, I.Am.Ironman said:
At this point, I wouldn't offer more than Boeser straight across for a 1:1 swap. Both are struggling, both used to be dangerous snipers, both are up for a new contract, neither are earning their current contract. Even then I'm not sure I do it given the risk of disrupting the room (lol given current affairs). It seems like a lateral move at best. All speculation, but I also imagine that Boeser is probably more 'locker room friendly'. He has a good head on his shoulders which, to me, adds value.
Disagree. Laine can still play and is still a dangerous force when he's on. He's missed half the season with injuries so far, but had 10 points in 9 games. Put Laine in a system where the coach gives Laine some leeway to play to his strengths, and he'll be a force to be reckoned with. Laine, under an elite head coach, would absolutely thrive.
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15 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said:
Yeah; and doing anything else outside of a coaching change is counter-productive cause outside, of Miller & Garland, most of the players are underperforming and there is no cap space. Canuck brass needs a voice, that has autonomy and the experience & track record to: build & win in the NHL. The mismanagements, are soo bad that even highly skilled players are looking like highly paid plugs on the ice; the record of this leadership group (including the staff) is abysmal and the blame is on Aquaman (like Melnyk, with the ever rebuilding Sens) cause it is Aquaman, who created this leadership group.
Even sadder than the Canucks, are the ever rebuilding Sens and both have meddling owners.
Ottawa’s lackluster play has really surprised me this season. Given the way they finished last season, I thought they’d be on the ride this season. They were basically boning Calgary for the entire 2nd half last season.
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38 minutes ago, kloubek said:
I agree. We have carried possession against some of these teams, which is great (and was an issue for us 5 on 5 in the past), but it doesn't mean much if we aren't scoring. Most of the shorts this team generates tend not to be very difficult to stop - though the shot heatmap from the Boston game (I think) did seem to indicate quite a bit of net front presence. For a change.
While our roster could (and should) be improved, I don't believe that the holes we have are the reason for our lack of success. I've always said that a guy with true shutdown ability on the blueline is important, but for the 3LW and 4RW positions you show that are lacking in your lineup, I think it's not quite as glaring as you think. There are lots of teams which rely on a rookie or less-than-stellar player or two in their bottom 6.
I'll say it again - the issues with this team aren't too related to the roster itself, imo. I think we need individual star players to play like they can, and we need new special teams systems that are actually effective.
Good post,
So since the Columbus game:
-Columbus
-Boston
-Montreal
Along with our solid puck possession game, we are starting to add a more prominent net position to our repertoire. Canucks should build on that.
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4 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:
Jack earning more than Quinn = I can't help but laugh.
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32 minutes ago, ABNucksfan said:
You forgot the likely scenario… be mediocre for another 52 years
Try and be positive. On average, the Canucks make the cup every 14 years [(12+12+17)/3]
I’m not sure how old you are but I’ll be 41 in January and so I’m expecting somewhere between 2-3 cup runs before my time is up. None of us know how these things will work out. I’ve already seen my other teams win (BC Lions, Seattle Seahawks, Toronto Blue Jays, Miami Heat), and so the Canucks is all that’s left for me. If it happens, great. If not, I have plenty of other things to be grateful for. Some guys in third world countries have to drink sulfuric water and eat dog sh1t for breakfast every day just so that they can live and dream for the next day and so I consider all of us here in Canada to be extremely fortunate.
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6 minutes ago, DSVII said:
I'll dial back the arrogance the other way too. The Leafs have made the playoffs 5 years in a row since they got Matthews from their rebuild. Making playoffs (nothing more) has been Benning's stated goal since he got here.
(for the record I hate the Leafs, I hate it even more when they do moves that I wish the Canucks did like admit a rebuild. Just like how i hate seeing Calgary reaping the benefits from having that Markstrom-Tanev when we could have kept Tan Man.)
If you swapped Dubas' and Benning's record since he got there, 110% people here would be estatic because 'anything can happen' once you make playoffs.
In terms of that bar of 'making playoffs'. It's been 5-2 Toronto since we both swapped management teams in 2014.
Comparing our management team to Toronto’s due to our 2014 start date is nonsensical in my opinion since the Leafs had been struggling for a LOT longer than the Canucks. The Leafs had been struggling since 2004 while the Canucks had won back to back Presidents trophies in 2011 and 2012 and finished around 7th-8th overall one year prior. In other words, the Canucks had just started to enter the their dark days in 2014 while the Leafs had pretty much been there since 2004. The Leafs had their version of our 2019-2020 season in 2013.
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3 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:
Last night was probably the first game Pettersson looked real good. He was engaged and quicker on pucks. It's great if the Canucks can turn it around, but I think they dug themselves too big a hole to claw back into playoffs talk. They would have to have an unbelievable run, and with that D, I'm not too optimistic. Trade Boeser for a Top 4 D, and then maybe...
I think the best approach the Canucks can take right now is one game at a time. Best case scenario = we miraculously make the playoffs. Worst case scenario = we have a very strong rest of the season and put the league on notice for next season. Set the tone.
p.s. - I'm not sure if Boeser gets you a Top 4 D given what his QO will be but I hope you're right.
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1 minute ago, NUCKER67 said:
Have they though?
Outside of the Pittsburgh game, I think one can make a pretty strong argument. Boston was probably a toss up. We were outplayed by the Avs for the first ten minutes.
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11 minutes ago, Pickly said:
I like facts. The Leafs are currently 9 games above .500 and first place in the Atlantic. The Canucks are 9 games below .500 and last place in the Pacific, below an expansion team. That’s just the cold hard reality of what kind of hockey team Benning has built. A bad one.
Your Leafs haven't won a playoff series since 2004 and so you might want to dial back the arrogance.
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The Canucks have been outplaying their opponents since the Colorado game..........can they turn it around?
Our record aside, the Canucks have been outplaying their opponents outside of the Pittsburgh game. Lets have a look:
-We outplayed Colorado (after the first 10 minutes of the game)
-Outplayed Winnipeg
-Outplayed Chicago
-Outplayed Columbus
-Boston was a toss-up
-Outplayed Montreal
So outside of our game against Pittsburgh, and a toss-up against the Bruins, the Canucks arguably could have gone 5-1-1 over these last 7 games. Obviously, they did not, but the fact remains that the Canucks have been playing some decent hockey over these last 7 games outside of the Pittsburgh game. They are clearly a fragile bunch right now but sometimes all it takes is one game to start something.
While the Canucks chances of making the playoffs this year are slim to none, can they get on a hot streak at a certain point this year to make things interesting?.........and perhaps set the tone for next season? Last year for instance, despite our horrible season, we still managed to pull off one hot streak of 8-3-2 between the Pettersson injury and the Canucks covid outbreak.
A win over Ottawa next game and maybe the Canucks get their confidence back.
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32 minutes ago, hammertime said:
But how would it improve the team? You still have all the same problems.
You're likely right but maybe Miller-Pettersson-Toffoli capture lightning in a bottle again? Those guys were absolutely magic together before the covid stoppage occurred in 2020.
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14 minutes ago, qwijibo said:
Not when you factor in the differences between their contracts. No
Agreed. My only outside hope being that Boeser is the younger asset.
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Post 2020 bubble, there were rumours that the Canucks were trying to keep Toffoli while moving Boeser to accommodate TT's cap hit. Benning ultimately didn't pull the trigger on any offers since he felt like he was being low-balled. Perhaps Benning should have went ahead and made the deal anyways?
p.s. Would the Habs be interested in Boeser for Toffoli? :-p
[GDT] Canucks @ Senators | 4:30 Pacific on SN "Hey, they actually won last game" Edition
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You and your clan at HFCanucks will also try and make excuses tonight for the Senators if the Canucks manage to win tonight’s game. #JuddBracket #Markstrom #Gillis