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1 hour ago, The Lock said:
That's one false sense of security then given the last 28 days they were more than double (over 19mil cases) the number of cases of the next country in the world (France at 8.5mil) according to the Johns Hopkins map.
If you're saying the states is some knight in shining armor and some world leader of this... the only thing they're leading at is cases.
Meanwhile in Canada we're all getting omicron regardless. Good thing we have US-made vaccines in our veins?
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1 minute ago, The Lock said:
There is NO candidate that fits the bill. It's not a matter of there being no other candidate. There is no candidate.
In reality it's likely the one with a massive hegemony including a global security blanket installed.
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Just now, The Lock said:
There is no "world leader" at the moment. This notion of the states being a world leader when they can't even control what their own states does is laughable at best.
The world is a giant game of diplomacy more than anything. Sure, there are larger players than others, but no clear #1 world leader.
Sure, but there is no other candidate that fits the bill atm. But comparica doesn't change the Canadian omicron experience regardless.
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1 minute ago, Playoff Beered said:
Florida had 30 606 cases yesterday out of a population of 21.4 million, that was yesterday, not 1 or 2 years ago. Canada had 16 044 out of a population of 38.2 million. YESTERDAY!!!
The reason I keep saying 1 or 2 year ago relevance is that today case counts don't matter.
We're all getting omicron regardless. I can confirm this as I've gotten it despite double-vaxxing and following all protocols, and so has most everyone I know.
More and more governments are indicating that we all need to learn to live with covid. What more is needed to talk about on this front?
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13 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said:
Why are you comparing NY to Florida? Both those states are over 3000 deaths per million. Canada is 876 per million. If we followed either of those two states we would have three times more death. 70 000 more deaths is not meaningless.
Approach on Policy. But again this seems like discussion from 1 or 2 yrs ago.
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3 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said:
The Pfizer one was developed by a couple of Turkish doctors in Germany, okay...
Where's Canada's?
Okay...
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13 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said:
I never said China is the world leader nation, you however, claimed the US is the leader nation which it is clearly not, this is backed up by facts from many sources. You also claim that the US has better covid policy than Canada, well the US has 2711 deaths per million, Canada has 876 deaths per million. If Canada followed the US model we would have more than 3 times the deaths in Canada. That would mean more than 70 000 more deaths than the 33 518 we have already lost. Pass indeed.
As far as nations capable of being world leader nations is concerned, it's either the US or China. The metrics being missed in this little bash don't include the most important ones: The economic ones. The financial ones. The US has built a substantial hegemony due to it's vast economic resources that other nations simply don't have. And whether we like it or not, that hegemony absolutely envelopes Canada. I mean we can bicker about all sorts of other stats to take a piece out of them for giggles, but that really is meaningless.
As far as US covid stats are concerned, well NY has had the same outcomes as Florida despite wildly-differing policy. So maybe covid ultimately doesn't care about policy. This seems like 1yr old or 2yr old points anyway, as by now omicron impacts us all quite equally and we're pretty much on our own to deal with it. Regardless of policy.
Oh, and which nation were we ultimately dependent on for vaccines?
Okay...
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10 hours ago, Playoff Beered said:
I'm not bashing the USA, just stating facts, as to them being the world leader atm all you offer is your assurance "there's just no way they're not the worlds leader atm"
That's it?...nothing more?
Who's the world leader nation?
China?
Pass.
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10 hours ago, Alflives said:
And people say I drink too much. What in the world are you even talking about?
Did you not even read the context?
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3 hours ago, Playoff Beered said:
Yeah right...
In terms of infant mortality per 100,000 live births, the United States ranks 34th out of 44 countries.
In median household income, America ranks fourth out of 36 countries.
The murder rate per 100,000 people puts America at 89th out of 230 countries.
America is the second worst of 20 countries when it comes to share of CO2 emissions.
America’s health care costs are the highest out of 48 countries.
Life expectancy in the United States ranks 46th out of 193.
In student math performance, America comes in at number 39 out of 71 countries.
As for doctorates per capita, its rank is fourth of 35 countries.
The country does rank second out of 154 countries in international patent applications.
And in number of people in the military, it ranks third out of 149 countries.
Ninth of 26 countries is the rank in suicide rates per 100,000.
But the percentage of people living in poverty puts America at number 127 out of 172.
America’s crime rate is 56th out of 137 countries.
In reading, the United States ranks 24th out of 71 countries.
In terms of happiness, America’s rank is 24th out of 95.
In export sales, America is second out of 231 countries.
The country ranks 12th out of 180 in terms of internet speed.
America is the second-largest car market out of 10.
In obesity, the U.S. rank is 35th out of 44 countries.
And it ranks 71st out of 134 in terms of the safest countries.
I love a good ol' USA bash as much as anyone, but there's just no way they're not the world's leader atm. The world is pretty much dependent on the security blanket they provide, and given how we've gotten a preview of how Chinese authoritarian rule would pan out here, yeah, I'd take 'murican chaos any day.
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2 hours ago, -DLC- said:
Actually, there are arguments and data that dispute this.
For some, sure.
For others, services have moved on line and people can now get help without having to leave their homes as a result. Isolating actually made receiving services easier for some. And there are reports showing that people with depression, etc. saw others struggling and it made them feel more connected. Others were experiencing the same things they were and it reduces some of the stigma as empathy comes into play.
It also forced people to remove themselves from the fast pace of the rat race. Employees were suddenly working from home and not having to spend time in traffic jams commuting back and forth. More time to focus on nutrition and health. Freed up some time that normally would be spent getting to/from work. Relieved some of that pressure.
So it evens out in some regards.
2 hours ago, -DLC- said:Actually, there are arguments and data that dispute this.
For some, sure.
For others, services have moved on line and people can now get help without having to leave their homes as a result. Isolating actually made receiving services easier for some. And there are reports showing that people with depression, etc. saw others struggling and it made them feel more connected. Others were experiencing the same things they were and it reduces some of the stigma as empathy comes into play.
It also forced people to remove themselves from the fast pace of the rat race. Employees were suddenly working from home and not having to spend time in traffic jams commuting back and forth. More time to focus on nutrition and health. Freed up some time that normally would be spent getting to/from work. Relieved some of that pressure.
So it evens out in some regards.
I agree there have been some def. perks to the pandemic in light of the tech improvements for those who needed it. But it's too bad it came at so high a cost, but in terms of lives and mental health. I'd say it only evens out in the long term for that aspect.
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17 minutes ago, johngould21 said:
This is the last time I'll respond to you. It's the doctors and nurses that are being burned out by all the antivaxxers, not delegation.
That's alright. Doesn't look like we were having the same convo anyway.
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4 minutes ago, johngould21 said:
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! I'll let you go to that doctor first then, let me know how you make out? Come on man, the only job an undertrained doctor or nurse would do under my watch is change bedpans.
I think the efficiency comes at the services delegation level, not the doctor training level.
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1 minute ago, King Heffy said:
No, they're not. Believe it or not, people in civilized countries do not look at what the US is doing positively.
I don't. Prob. because the US is the top civilized country, and they're not represented by one particular viewpoint on the matter anyway.
The comparica angle doesn't mean much to us in Canada now anyway, imho. I read that Ontario's top doctor indicated they need to move on. Bonnie also indicated as such. Not much really standing in the way of inevitability at this point.
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2 minutes ago, Alflives said:
Going to a hospital emergency waiting room for a “visit” isn’t wise.
Tell that to the dozens of people who were packed in there. While pretending that hospitals care all that much about omicron.
It is tricky.
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Just now, Alflives said:
Read “The Allegory of the Cave”, and take off your chains.
Visit the hospital waiting room I just did and try to arrive to another conclusion from me.
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Just now, stawns said:
they're losing upwards of 50000 a month. They are not ahead of us
In terms of realistic policy for omicron they are. That's for sure.
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Just now, Alflives said:
You can make the same assertion as often as you like. It’s still nonsense.
Okay, but I don't think I can pretend otherwise.
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Just now, Alflives said:
Your assertion is not supported by data, so it’s nonsensical. Antivaxxer adults are the problem. They are the Burden.
Regardless of data being collected on it or not, I'd expect to see the same over-users burden the system, well past the pandemic.
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Just now, NewbieCanuckFan said:
Aren't like around 50% of the US public of the belief Dotard won the election?
The Maher story was noting dem supporter paranoia in particular. Anyway, they seem to have transitioned to the next phase a bit more ahead of us. Not a shock.
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1 minute ago, Jaimito said:
It's misleading. The first wave hit NYC like no place in US. No one knew how bad it was because there were no readily available tests, and Drs didn't have the knowledge or tools to treat it like we do more recently. Many died without getting any treatment becuase hospitals were all overwhelmed. That skewed the data on fatality for sure. If you just look at my hospital system, it never got as bad as the first wave or as rapid, because people took it seriously and all the public health measures were in place. We never had to convert lecture halls into beds after the first wave. No tents outside the hospital for triage, no refrigerator morgue trucks outside.
I'm just not sure if the US public is seeing it that way.
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8 minutes ago, Alflives said:
Do you have data to support your assertion our healthcare system is “bogged down by systematic over-users”?
Because there’s an abundance of data the current troubles are caused by antivaxxers (adults) refusing these vaccines and ending up needlessly in hospital.
It's an assertion based on anecdotal evidence and reasonably it makes sense as there are a lot of simply unhealthy people going to the hospital because that's become their lifestyle. But feel free to discard that opinion.
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7 minutes ago, Magicwords said:
It would end public health completely
There are only so many specialized staff to fill.the hospitals and the public hospitals simply couldn't compete with the private aide.
The private side can pay more.as they simply pass.that cost on to the patient
I'd hate to see canada become.like the USA where a credit card is what directs your level of care and people go bankrupt.getting care
There is many frustrating issues with our healthcare system and a generation of starving it if funding has really made it crumble
One of the first priorities must be in the training and recruitment of new staff. Healthcare workers the world over are burnt out and fed up with the low pay for the work and rhe workload. Private or public won't matter if we don't have.any staff to work
I don't think we'd allow that and besides our taxes are high for this purpose.
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2 minutes ago, Magicwords said:
And New York has winter weather with Florida in summer.weather.
Stats are clear and even here every summer our numbers go way down. If we.had Arizona Temps year round we would have lower numbers as well
Interesting. I was told that warm weather should not have made a diff. But that was reddit.
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I'm not questioning vaccines. This context was about the US-bashing in this thread, which is ironic to me considering we're utterly reliant on US-made vaccines.