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    Olli Juolevi | #48 | D

    in Alumni

    Posted

    On 2018-05-28 at 9:20 AM, aGENT said:

    +1 for some context. Team riddled with injuries generally ='s lesser stats, advanced or otherwise.

     

    IIRC, Gudbranson was also playing through his shoulder injury at that point as well. 

    Do you think that Gudbranson would pair well with Juolevi? I see similarities between Juolevi and Edler (Just less physicality), so I think it might be something worth trying.

    Michael DiPietro | G

    in Alumni

    Posted

    On 2018-05-29 at 9:42 AM, Qwags said:

    I remember that the 2017 draft was supposed to be a very weak draft. It's looking rather great for us.

    I remember seeing a lot of conflicting reports. Some saying weak, and some saying that it wasn't weak as a whole, but just not as top heavy as the previous drafts. Either way, I'm loving the draft for us.

    Elias Pettersson | #40 | C

    in Current Roster

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

    I don't think I am optimistic at all....I think I am realistic with prospects.   I think elite prospects have a very good chance to be elite NHL players.    I don't think ANYONE is saying anything "for sure" but you.    I don't know why you are picking at this and seemingly trying to start an argument no one is interested in having but...there you are doing just that.

     

    Again, you are 100% right, no one knows anything for sure about the future (well, I do know a coming response to this post but I have powers of foresight in that area) but the very term prospect implies that any discussion about future  is speculation and projection.   No one knows what he will actually do - and I have not seen anyone imply that situation other than you arguing that they are.

     

    Cheers!   :)

    "well, I do know a coming response to this post but I have powers of foresight in that area"

    I hate seeing things like this.

    Elias Pettersson | #40 | C

    in Current Roster

    Posted

    Just now, Rob_Zepp said:

    Of course nothing is a certainty until it happens.   I don't think anyone is disputing that and you seem to be arguing with yourself or semantics in general.   

     

    Certainty is indeed different that belief......and I certainly believe you need to see something for proof but I don't see anyone disputing that.   EP is an elite prospects.   Elite prospects quite often become elite NHL players.   Not always.   Often.    

     

    I don't think anyone is saying "for sure he will" do anything.....I think people are simply project.   For all we know, he could quit hockey tomorrow to lead a new Swedish Heavy Metal band, none of us know for sure.    

     

    What I do know for sure, you will respond.   :)

    "Of course nothing is a certainty until it happens"

    That is my only point. I've seen people definitively say that he will be elite. My only point is to say that it's not definitive. Nothing else.

    Elias Pettersson | #40 | C

    in Current Roster

    Posted

    1 minute ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

    Dude,

     

    I was &^@#ing kidding... don’t get

    caught up in semantics on an internet forum, it is certain to get you all worked up for nothing.  

     

     

    Seriously take a break and go outside. 

    Tone gets lost in text. If you were joking, then I apologize, but it wasn't clear that you were.

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    Elias Pettersson | #40 | C

    in Current Roster

    Posted

    Just now, Rob_Zepp said:

    Not splitting hairs at all.  In your definition, no one is ever really going to give you confidence until they are proven in the NHL and, if they are proven in the NHL, they are no longer prospects....so it is not so much about you seeing any given prospect as giving you confidence, it is that you don't think there should be a term "prospect" as once they are proven in the NHL, they are not a prospect and you say you have no confidence in a prospect until they are proven in the NHL....soooo, the term doesn't exist in your world I guess.

     

     

    Right?    Unless, of course, you see the adjective "unproven" in front of the word prospect in all cases.

    I said that I'm confident that he will be an excellent NHLer. Did you miss that? Confidence does not equal certainty. If you can't grasp that very simple concept, then there's not talking to you.

    It's a shame for me because I appreciate your optimism in posts. For the most part, I've agreed with you, but you're specifically ignoring defined terms and cherry picking parts of my posts.

    Elias Pettersson | #40 | C

    in Current Roster

    Posted

    8 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

     

     

    Hi there, 

     

     

    Just want to point out two things, 1st this is the CDC, so it certainly isn’t a place where there has to be ‘proof’ for someone to be certain. 

     

    2nd, this is the prospects forum, literally the very location on this certainly uncertain site where people write about future prospects that are unproven by definition, thus are ‘prospects’ and not ‘players’.  So to talk about certainty in the forum dedicated to uncertainties is a paradox that boogles the mind. 

     

    ‘To be certain is to have proof.’ Is a philosophy that makes me think of trees falling in forests and such.  Far to deep and certainly makes my head hurt.  

     

    One of my favourite quotes about certainty is ‘Only a closed mind can be certain.’ 

     

    To have ave an open mind and look at projectable models, to essentially look into the past with understanding, the goal of seeing the possible, not the proven. 

     

    Some people can see ahead, certainly the future is coming. There are some that will only believe the sun will rise tomorrow when they see it with their own eyes.  

     

    Eyes wide shut I peer into the future and believe the sun will rise tomorrow.  

     

    Pettersson is that sun... this endeth my philosophical rant. 

     

    EmW

     

     

    PS, totally sober and don’t smoke weed.... maybe I should...

     

     

     

    1. I understand that this is the prospects forum, but I've seen enough posts that state definitively that he will be elite in the NHL and that's ignorant. You're ignoring context and trying to draw a conclusion based on the name of the forum it's posted in.

    2. That's a garbage quote from someone trying to rationalize a defined term to their will. Certainty is proof. Gravity is proven. Are people close minded for being certain about it? Of course you can look ahead and predict based on available information. It's still a belief, not certainty. Certainty is not belief. I believe the sun will rise tomorrow, but for all we know, a catastrophic disaster will happen and it won't. You're not certain about it, you are confident about it based on history and available information.

    I will repeat myself. I am CONFIDENT that he will be an excellent NHL'er based on available information, but anyone who says he will for sure is wrong. There is no way to actually know it until it happens.
     

    Elias Pettersson | #40 | C

    in Current Roster

    Posted

    16 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said:

    Uh, isn't that that every concept of the word "prospect"?    

     

    Hard for any kid to prove themselves as and NHL talent until they are in the NHL.   If being "sold" on someone means they need to be proven before you buy, you would never buy anything....right?

     

    The very nature of the concept of a prospect is that they are unproven so not sure what you exactly expect of these kids.   Hedging bets is fine but somehow there needs to be some form of choosing these kids and being "sold" on them enough to choose them in the first place let alone invest in their development.

    You're splitting hairs on terminology. I can be confident about a prospect but still accept the fact that there is a possibility of them not translating. I believe Pettersson will be great but certainly is impossible until proven.

     

    To be certain is to have proof.

    Michael DiPietro | G

    in Alumni

    Posted

    3 minutes ago, tas said:

    entitlement is bad. 

    For sure, and I love his humility, but I believe that he will for sure be at WJC training camp, and as a result, that quote made me laugh.

    Elias Pettersson | #40 | C

    in Current Roster

    Posted

    24 minutes ago, stawns said:

    If he were just hesitating it would be different, but it's a deliberate pause, letting the defenders and goalie bite and then he drags and snaps.......he's not shotting from the same spot he pauses in.  That's a pure sniper move and it will beat any goalie, at any level

    To be clear, I'm not talking about the specific concerns that were mentioned in quoted text from my post. I'm just saying that I'm never completely sold on a prospect until they prove themselves in the NHL. That's not to say that I don't think they'll succeed, just that I have trouble being certain about anything until it's proven.

    I believe that Pettersson will be an excellent NHLer, but I will not say so definitively until it's proven. I think it's arrogant and irresponsible to do otherwise.

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    Elias Pettersson | #40 | C

    in Current Roster

    Posted

    9 hours ago, Top Sven Baercheese said:

    Wonder what you all think about the speed of his shot?
    When given time, he can absolutely snipe the puck, but will his shot be as affective in the NHL, when that slight bit of time that he holds it for can get the opposing teams defense and goalie back in the play? Even in the France game, you can see the goalie is back in position before the shot is released, fortunately Elias still snipes it, but a situation like that will go the goalie's way more often then not in the NHL. Pettersson's shot is hard and accurate, but it's anything but quick. 

    Not bashing the guy, just wondering if anyone else is concerned, or if it's just me?

    I see where you're coming from but I think "concerned" is a bit much. I always hold reservations on prospects until they prove themselves in the NHL but I also feel that he's proved his ability to adapt to the next level on multiple occasions.

     

    I'm not concerned about Elias due to his body of work compared to every other player that's followed his development path. I won't be certain about his future until he's proved it at the highest level, but I'm in no way concerned. I'm excited.

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    Kole Lind | RW

    in Alumni

    Posted

    3 hours ago, Camel Toe Drag said:

    The jets and fast and skilled... oh yeah and their big. 

    Yeah, they really have a great combination. Being big is still a good attribute as long as it doesn't sacrifice speed and skill. The problem is that players like that are rare.

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    Guillaume Brisebois | D

    in Prospects / Farm Team

    Posted

    On 19/03/2018 at 11:12 PM, VancouverHabitant said:

    Just a little bump for the next player in our system who will become a regular with the big club next year.  

     

    Okay, to get back into the present from the future, can anyone update us on his games lately? I see that he's had an assist in each of the last two games.  

     

    I'm not seeing the box scores for the games.

    I think he'll get a look next year but I don't expect him to be a regular yet. I like Brisebois, but with the current landscape of defense on this team, I don't see a spot for him. This can change of course with off season moves, but for now, I expect most of his season to be in the A next year.

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    Olli Juolevi | #48 | D

    in Alumni

    Posted

    On 3/14/2018 at 11:43 AM, Locke Lamora said:

    Well, Sami confirmed what my eyes told as I watched Olli in Training Camp. He was not in shape.

     

    Here's hoping that he learned from that and he will own it this Summer and come into camp in September ready to grab a spot.

     

    I get that he is young (and not everyone possesses the Bo Horvat dedication levels), and his skill level has allowed him to get by on his talent...but still frustrating to hear that he clearly has not prioritized his fitness level. I mean, I'm just some retired schmuck posting on a message board....but I'm still crushin' it 5 days a week at the gym - just because being fit, strong and healthy is a GOOD THING. Can't imagine not dedicating oneself to this if MILLIONS of dollars were at stake.

     

    Rootin' for the kid.

     

     

    I could be wrong about this, but I don't think Juolevi's fitness level last training camp was the result of a lack of discipline but rather an incorrect training regiment. I recall a lot of emphasis being put on him gaining mass, not just with our media/fans, but by his own admission. I remember watching interviews with him where he talked about "getting bigger" to physically compete in the NHL. He gained a lot of mass, which was noticeable during training camp, but unfortunately, that affected his foot speed which subsequently hurt his style of play.

    I believe that with the proper training regiment, revolving mostly around cardio, with consistent strength training, his body will naturally develop into a good sized defender with the mobility that his game needs. I believe the error wasn't in lack of dedication, but in an attempt to try and rush his natural, physical development. Hopefully Olli and his training staff have learned from this mistake. I'm optimistic that we will see an entirely different Juolevi this training camp.

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