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  1. On 3/17/2018 at 8:29 AM, Warhippy said:

    No.  You're a coward pal

     

    You want to dictate what women can and can't do with their body. All while not helping with the issue.  You want the right to tell women they cannot do something you think is wrong but you refuse or are to pathetic to adopt or foster a child in the same breath.  But you don't think that is your duty.  You don't NEED to step up because it's much easier to simply take the choice away from the ONLY people who should rightfully be making it.

     

    Not only a coward but callous, ignorant selfish and kinda stupid as well.

     

    You're basically a waste of my time.  You'll never understand the choices people make and you're to selfishly ignorant to try

     

    Simply put I am done talking to you.  In a just world you would live in constant pain because ignorance like yours deserves to be painful

     

    Now I'm done with you.  Please don't respond to me again.

     

    If you don't like it, hope and pray for change.  Or...maybe try to take my right to voice my experience and opinion away as well.

     

    Good day

     

     

    Only because this is now the abortion thread...

     

    Want to know what the difference is between science and abortion?

     

     

     

     

     

     

    science doesn't say what is right or wrong... science doesn't say make moral arguments, or give judgements... when science does something, the response is always.... ALWAYS... "Hmmm, that's interesting", regardless of the outcome....

     

     

     

     

    You just watched... and enjoyed a video on genocide...

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

  2. On 3/15/2018 at 10:32 AM, StealthNuck said:

    I was going to add Boeser but hit the answer limit. 

    Damnit Stealth... it was supposed to be either Boeser or Horvat....

     

     

    You get a pass this time....

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  3. 1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

    No.  You're a coward pal

     

    You want to dictate what women can and can't do with their body. All while not helping with the issue.  You want the right to tell women they cannot do something you think is wrong but you refuse or are to pathetic to adopt or foster a child in the same breath.  But you don't think that is your duty.  You don't NEED to step up because it's much easier to simply take the choice away from the ONLY people who should rightfully be making it.

     

    Not only a coward but callous, ignorant selfish and kinda stupid as well.

     

    You're basically a waste of my time.  You'll never understand the choices people make and you're to selfishly ignorant to try

     

    Simply put I am done talking to you.  In a just world you would live in constant pain because ignorance like yours deserves to be painful

     

    Now I'm done with you.  Please don't respond to me again.

     

    If you don't like it, hope and pray for change.  Or...maybe try to take my right to voice my experience and opinion away as well.

     

    Good day

    Just because you're feeling guilty about your life choices is no reason to project on me. If you need to tell yourself that the aborted fetus wasn't alive, go right ahead. It's still wrong.

     

    By all means, stop talking to me...

  4. 20 hours ago, Warhippy said:

    I trust a woman to do what's right for her body 10 times out of 10 before I trust a person like yourself to dictate what she can and cannot do with her body

     

    Get it through your head

     

    It's

    Not

    Your

    Choice

    It's

    Not

    Your

    Say

     

    You don't get to claim some sort of moral outrage and then tell a woman she doesn't make the best decision for herself.  Right or wrong it's her decision and you don't get a say in that period.  You're no different than any number of hateful groups who dictate what women can and cannot do with their bodies.  ISIS, Al Qeada, former Khmer Rouge, Saudi Family, Hasidic Jews

     

    And yes I can make that statement.  because if you can claim that someone is ok with the murders of millions for simply accepting it is not their right to tell a woman what they can or cannot do with their body and simply accepting a pro choice stance.  I can equate your stance to those of hardline religious groups and terrorists who trod on womens rights and say you're no different than them.

     

    I know it seems ridiculous right.  Now you know how we feel reading your arguments here.  Simply put.  You don't want women to choose.  You don't want women to have that power.  You think women are naive for being able to make that decision.  But have adopted no children, have accepted no unwanted kids in your life or opted to be a foster parent.  Therefore you're nothing more than a hypocrite and as the father of 2 daughters and the husband of a woman who was faced with that grim choice of risking her own life or aborting our unborn son you make me frigging sick and the sooner your mentality is expunged off of this planet the better,

    Get this through your head... I never said who's choice it should be... I just said it was murder and it was a morally wrong choice to make in the majority of circumstances.

     

    You've said how traumatizing of an experience it was, yet you advocate others to be able to do it? Your mentality is pure evil. It's like you actually WANT other women to suffer as you and your wife have. You stance is closer to hateful groups like ISIS and Al Qeada, who have no respect for the value of life nor any compassion for people who don't actually need to have an abortion for medical reasons... they just do it because they are scared of being judged, or aren't financially ready for children yet. You have no problems throwing life away callously, which is really sad... I would have thought given your experience you would actually NOT want other people to go through what you guys had to go through.

     

     

    20 hours ago, Warhippy said:

    No, but apparently they make good decisions for women who they won't let decide for themselves.  Funny that eh

    This is awesome... So adorable... great that you completely ignore the fact I already said men are naive and make bad decisions all the time as well... Funny stuff is right... can't even quote my argument properly.

     

     

    20 hours ago, Warhippy said:

    See I agree with this statement.

     

    The main issue is, the people in the Dral camp would then have to work.  The moment they had to put down their disgusting signs and actually step up and be a part of the solution instead of a major part of the problem they'd back down.

     

    It's indicative of a severe level of cowardice.  Wanting to take the choice from people but refusing to step in and actually help.

    Cowardice? Lol... good one buddy...

     

    Like I said before, a great fun fact you seem to refuse to acknowledge... I don't NEED to step up and adopt babies because there is a line up of parents waiting to adopt that goes on for years... People are so DESPERATE to adopt children they are going to foreign countries in order to do so... there are already thousands of people willing to do it.

  5. 6 minutes ago, Cerridwen said:

     

    You made a statement that McMaster had been 'fired'. I posted a statement from the White House itself. You had absolutely nothing at the time to back up your comment......nothing. No link, no facts, nothing. So because so many of you require 'fact'.....I posted one from the horse's mouth (no insult intended to SS's appearance). Did I say anywhere that I trusted the statement? Better read my post again.....this time with comprehension.

     

    You say this A LOT....

     

    people really have trouble comprehending you, don't they?

  6. 3 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

    I did, but nothing you said changes the fact that as it stands now, abortion is legal and walking into a school and killing students is not. As @Canorth (quite correctly) pointed out, any attempt to equate the two scenarios is misguided.

     

    FWIW, I wish all unwanted pregnancies were carried to term and followed by adoption, but I don't think so highly of my own opinion that I could be the arbiter for half of the population. Hence, I defer to the courts.

    Abortion law doesn't actually state that a fetus isn't a living entity... it simply states that women have the right to terminate their pregnancy (and thus, legally, kill a life)... so your argument is that there's only a problem with killing things when it's illegal to do so... thus, as long as it's legal, its ok?

     

    I think there are many examples of being able to legally kill people, just because in one situation it isn't illegal doesn't mean you can't point out a connection between the two...

     

  7. 3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

    Maybe we should just develop a mechanism by which eggs are fertilized, incubated, and developed inside a machine?  Then no women would need to be burdened with the horror of carrying a child.  Heck, why not remove the parents from the entire equation?  Have machines that raise the babies until they are mature enough to go to state run schools.  

    I've seen this movie...

     

    wait... here it is

     

     

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  8. 3 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

    Never said you did. That's why I asked the question. And yes, humans are flawed decision makers.

    It was obvious, but the statement could have been misconstrued had one chosen to read it that way.

    Ahhh, so you were just clarifying... it did feel like you were trying misrepresent my argument, glad that wasn't the case and agree on some things

  9. 8 minutes ago, Canorth said:

    Never said I was a fan of abortion. Not a fan of removing the rights of half the population to make decisions about their own medical health, based on the beliefs of others, either. I am willing to set my opinions on abortion aside and trust that women will make the best decision for themselves, their health and their baby - if they choose to have it. It's a very sensitive and complicated topic, for all involved. 

     

    Its your choice to equate this with mass gun violence, but until a woman altering her biology results in the direct death of dozens of people - your arguing a very very weak point. But you know this. Its why you need the shock value of posting graphic photos... to add psuedo-substance to an otherwise superficial strawman argument. 

     

    Anyways, stay classy... 

     

    medical concerns accounts for 2% to 3% of all abortions performed...  and I agree, if the life of the mother is at risk, and medically speaking, it's the best decision... then fine... but then, how do justify the other 600,000 abortions that happen every year?

     

    You trust women will always make the best decision for themselves? That's pretty naive... you can't even trust people to make the best choice for POTUS...

     

     

    But by all means, keep making up words... psuedo-substance... lol... while you're at it, maybe look up the definition of a strawman argument... you know, because I wasn't the one who brought up abortion in the first place... and I wasn't trying to refute an argument either

  10. 16 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

    It's a fair point Dral, but I think you'd have to agree that a more accurate statement would be, "you have no problem with what I consider to be mass murder", since the SCOTUS (nor the SCC for that matter) don't see it as such. Except of course, for those rare exceptions like the one you posted a few days ago.

     

    You can make an moral argument for whether a fetus is a human life, you can make philosophical arguments for what living is and you can make legal arguments for when a fetus has the right to life.... but it is alive. It IS a life form...

     

    Bacteria is also a living organism... and we all kill millions of them a day... so I understand the tendency for people to not put a high value on life that you can't hear scream when you end that life...

     

    Some people put value on the lives of cattle and pigs and refuse to consume them, these same people also consume the lives of vegetation at an astonishing rate...

     

    Again, we all pick and choose which lives matter...

  11. On 3/10/2018 at 12:56 PM, Two one one said:

    I'll have a thread up probably tomorrow despite the lack of expressed interest and will hope for a decent and respectable turnout.

    Did they change the definition of the word "tomorrow" ?

     

    :(

     

    I want my +1's back

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  12. 1 hour ago, Mattrek said:

     

    Or have my husband do this right after our first child is born/adopted, WTF is wrong with this family? Seriously what the actual ****? The actual tweet has profanity, so I’ll just quote the non swearing part, you can find it on twitter if you want to.

     

    Surprised his marriage didn’t work out since he was sending me DMs a month after his wife gave birth. (I tweeted a joke about pulling a muscle changing a tampon and he replied asking if I smelled bacon? Cool joke)

     

    DM from Donald Trump Jr said:

     

    Well im getting ****4 the bacon comment. Glad I opted not 2send the tweet asking 4pics from ur bathroom tweet last night;) people need2chill

     

    and

     

    Stop that!!! I am a happily married man ; ) RT

     

    Really.... the guys son gets a divorce... something that happens to half the couples in the US... and not only do you guys revel in it, make jokes... but you think this somehow reflects badly on Trump ?

     

    Stay classy

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  13. 1 hour ago, HerrDrFunk said:

    Well, and I will fully admit this is me generalizing, but a lot the pro-lifers I've encountered in my life oppose having their tax dollars go to social programs that could help disadvantaged families. So that's lead to me developing the viewpoint that for many pro-lifers it's out of womb, out of mind.

    I don't see how you make that connection..

  14. 4 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

    Mostly.

     

    I was speaking of US gun laws, but it's funny that you bring that up. In several "discussions" I've had with some of the nuttier of gun nuts, the argument has been made that as a non US citizen, I'm not allowed to have an opinion.

     

    Of course they don't see the iron of having their own opinion on Russia, or Iran, or North Korea, or China.....

    Interesting... so nutty people claim that if you aren't apart of a certain group you can't have an opinion on something...

     

    I like that :lol:

  15. 4 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

    This is the thing...

     

    Being against abortion is one thing and I don't really have an issue with people holding their own opinion, even if it runs counter to the law. (I certainly do when it comes to gun laws) However, when you defund Planned Parenthood and attempt to restrict access to contraception, you've pretty much lost the moral high ground.

    Ever heard Hitchens talk about Mother Theresa?

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