Opmac Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 When is the UBC Line going be built. The 99 B-Line is ALWAYS full, doesn't really help when the buses are always late too. It won't be done until after you have graduated. It's supposed to be built by 2020 (at least that was the promise few years ago) and construction won't begin until at least after the completion of the Evergreen Line in 2016. As I posted a few pages back, TransLink is ordering 25 low-floor articulated buses to be delivered in 2013. They're starting a King George B-Line, so how many of these buses will actually end up on the #99 is anybody's guess. Though they could use 40 foot buses on that route initially. TransLink wants bench seating at the back and the NovaBus doesn't offer that (at least not that I'm aware of), so it will most likely be the New Flyer Xcelsior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weber's Playoff Beard Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 When is the UBC Line going be built. The 99 B-Line is ALWAYS full, doesn't really help when the buses are always late too. You're not alone. During rush hour, the 99, 43, 41, 49, 25, 44, 84.. sometimes 33, 480 pretty much every bus that goes to UBC in the morning is full and late. But 99 is just ridiculous. 2 minutes between buses is still not enough. In order to move people on Broadway effeiciently, a UBC line is going to be built, no doubt about it, it's just when... 5 years? 10 years? 15 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weber's Playoff Beard Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 It won't be done until after you have graduated. It's supposed to be built by 2020 (at least that was the promise few years ago) and construction won't begin until at least after the completion of the Evergreen Line in 2016. As I posted a few pages back, TransLink is ordering 25 low-floor articulated buses to be delivered in 2013. They're starting a King George B-Line, so how many of these buses will actually end up on the #99 is anybody's guess. Though they could use 40 foot buses on that route initially. TransLink wants bench seating at the back and the NovaBus doesn't offer that (at least not that I'm aware of), so it will most likely be the New Flyer Xcelsior. sexy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 When is the UBC Line going be built. The 99 B-Line is ALWAYS full, doesn't really help when the buses are always late too. How about never? The people on the west side of Vancouver don't want it, and if they do, they want it done as overly expensive bored tunnel design. There's going to be very little growth in the area and the fact that the buses are full (of people getting subsidised rates) is just a signal that there's good utilisation. Take that money and use it to expand the expo line to Langley above grade and it will be cheered by the residents south of fraser (who pay the majority of the taxes that support transit) and go ahead and to convential elevated design. Then we might have an option other than paying tolls daily on top of gas and property taxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 You're not alone. During rush hour, the 99, 43, 41, 49, 25, 44, 84.. sometimes 33, 480 pretty much every bus that goes to UBC in the morning is full and late. But 99 is just ridiculous. 2 minutes between buses is still not enough. In order to move people on Broadway effeiciently, a UBC line is going to be built, no doubt about it, it's just when... 5 years? 10 years? 15 years? Leave earlier. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) How about never? The people on the west side of Vancouver don't want it, and if they do, they want it done as overly expensive bored tunnel design. There's going to be very little growth in the area and the fact that the buses are full (of people getting subsidised rates) is just a signal that there's good utilisation. I figure it'll have to be done in increments. First, it'll have to be built to Arbutus. Then hopefully, it'll put enough pressure to densify and build up Broadway west of there to justify the cost of a tunnel underneath it. We probably won't have the budget to build it all the way to UBC all at once anyways. Edited January 25, 2012 by Buggernut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 I figure it'll have to be done in increments. First, it'll have to be built to Arbutus. Then hopefully, it'll put enough pressure to densify and build up Broadway west of there to justify the cost of a tunnel underneath it. We probably won't have the budget to build it all the way to UBC all at once anyways. I am fairly certain that Vancouver does not want an elevated guildway going through their city while Surrey most certainly does. You could expand Skytrain incrementially too. Getting it extended to 152nd or 168th would make connecting to the sktrain so much easier for so many people that have increadibly bad transit service despite all the taxes that come from the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 I am fairly certain that Vancouver does not want an elevated guildway going through their city while Surrey most certainly does. You could expand Skytrain incrementially too. Getting it extended to 152nd or 168th would make connecting to the sktrain so much easier for so many people that have increadibly bad transit service despite all the taxes that come from the area. Why do you say that Surrey does? You can build so much more for the same $$ if you go for an alternative to skytrain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 According to these guys, they want LRT out there. http://www.railforthevalley.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Why do you say that Surrey does? You can build so much more for the same $$ if you go for an alternative to skytrain... Sure sounds good. Cut off the last segment of the evergreen line and use the extra cash to put Bline service down King George to White Rock and down Fraser highway to Langley. Aim for starting service next week. Of course, with all the gas taxes the south of fraser residents pay one would think that we should be able to afford skytrain anyways. Soon our only choices will be paying 6 dollars a day in tolls or waiting half an hour for a bus that takes another 45 minutes to get to your destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 According to these guys, they want LRT out there. http://www.railforthevalley.com/ Commuter rail would be nice but it's less likely than skytrain (which isn't even in the 20 year outlook) or Blines (scheduled to start 2009! Oh, wait....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnabyJoe Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Why does it have to be another ugly skytrain eyesore. Wouldn't light rail be less intrusive and cheaper? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Why does it have to be another ugly skytrain eyesore. Wouldn't light rail be less intrusive and cheaper? It'll block traffic though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opmac Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 It'll block traffic though. And it won't meet the needs of the future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weber's Playoff Beard Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Leave earlier. Problem solved. That doesn't work for 99 bline.. it's always busy. Leaving earlier doesn't help since people have have classes 30 mins earlier will be on those buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weber's Playoff Beard Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I figure it'll have to be done in increments. First, it'll have to be built to Arbutus. Then hopefully, it'll put enough pressure to densify and build up Broadway west of there to justify the cost of a tunnel underneath it. We probably won't have the budget to build it all the way to UBC all at once anyways. If they are extending the skytrain west, it'll be going all the way to UBC. That's the plan and that's what they are trying to budget for. That will be the terminus station and where many rush hour users will be arriving/departing from. They aren't going to be doing it in segments. The line is long overdue. Just take a 99 bus any time of the day and you'll understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opmac Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 They could alleviate some of the problems of the 99 B-Line by making the high-occupancy vehicle actually bus only and anybody that turns will have to do so from outside the HOV lane. The problem is at major intersections, the buses are stuck behind cars trying to right-turn. There's so many cars and pedestrians that only one car can right turn in one light cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 And it won't meet the needs of the future. And is no better (other that supposed asthetics) than an express bus working in dedicated lanes. The 99 Bline carries 100k passengers a day, a number that would be the envy of many light rail lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 They could alleviate some of the problems of the 99 B-Line by making the high-occupancy vehicle actually bus only and anybody that turns will have to do so from outside the HOV lane. The problem is at major intersections, the buses are stuck behind cars trying to right-turn. There's so many cars and pedestrians that only one car can right turn in one light cycle. Heck eliminate all the parking on Broadway and make it bus lanes all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 If they are extending the skytrain west, it'll be going all the way to UBC. That's the plan and that's what they are trying to budget for. That will be the terminus station and where many rush hour users will be arriving/departing from. They aren't going to be doing it in segments. The line is long overdue. Just take a 99 bus any time of the day and you'll understand. Why would be build skytrain to UBC when A) the residents are dead set agaist any kind of elevated let alone a cut and cover solution. Only very very exspensive bored tunnel. There is very little prospect of growth on the tony west side. C) Capacity to UBC could be addressed by adding to other bus routes. Aren't people taking that Bline down 41st to UBC? One would think all the Richmond studants would. That would releive a lot of the pressure. D) There are already three major skytrain lines north of the fraser, one more on the way. South of the fraser, we have a stub in the north-west corner of surrey which is not exactly easy to get there (by any mode). The promised south of fraser Bline routes are five years delayed. Right now the whole transit system is a regressive tax that sucks money out of the south of Fraser to fund transit for the more affluent communities on the north! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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