Common sense Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Really if you get confused this easily then you should just stay home. Emergency dispatchers. Not regular folk. Dispatchers who don't know whether the person saying Broadway is at Commercial Stn or City Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyHermit Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 (edited) I actually agree with this move. Lots of other cities use a single name when two lines intersect. For example, my new place here in Seoul is near a station that serves two different subway lines, but simply uses one name -- Seoul Station -- despite its enormous size. Edited August 29, 2009 by BuckyHermit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanuck14 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 Emergency dispatchers. Not regular folk. Dispatchers who don't know whether the person saying Broadway is at Commercial Stn or City Hall. I read that wrong but still you think they would ask which one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 I read that wrong but still you think they would ask which one. Well, duh. But that takes time, and if the caller is distressed and panics, then it hinders the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted August 29, 2009 Author Share Posted August 29, 2009 Canada Line has growing pains Richmond Review By Martin van den Hemel - Richmond Review The Canada Line has had its ups and downs through its first 10 days of operations. While last weekend saw 165,000 riders on the new Richmond-to-Vancouver rapid transit link, a source told The Richmond Review that the escalators and elevators, both produced by Switzerland-based Schindler, have on a daily basis been stopping. But Jason Chan, spokesperson for Protrans BC, the operator of the Canada Line, said the incidents have been relatively infrequent, when you consider the more than 70 escalators and elevators in use in the system. Chan said the escalators have a fail-safe system that has been switched to a sensitive setting to ensure passenger safety, and as a result have been tripping. He explained that there have been a few incidents per day, and when they’ve tripped, the cause was likely someone dragging their feet along the escalator’s skirting. “That minor bit of resistance and friction might trip the system,” Chan said. But it takes just a matter of minutes for Canada Line staff to get the system up and running again, and passengers on their way, Chan said. Like the burning-in period on a new automobile engine, Chan said the escalators and elevators will also take a short time to be worked in—perhaps days or a couple of weeks—and for the wrinkles to be ironed out. He said the early opening of the Canada Line has been a blessing, because it’s enabled the escalators and elevators to work under real conditions, something that couldn’t be simulated during the testing period when there weren’t passengers available. Asked if the escalators and elevators were properly designed to handle the volume of traffic expected on the system, Chan said there’s no suggestion the system isn’t capable. Turnstiles: Make everyone who rides transit pay for trip Stop scofflaws who board for free — we need the revenue By Jon Ferry, The Province August 28, 2009 One of the bad things about being a journalist is the amount of time you tend to have to spend in tedious meetings. And none have been more tedious than those I attended in 2004 while TransLink directors debated in painful detail whether to proceed with what was then known as the RAV Line. Five years later, though, all that bile and hot air seem worth it. The Canada Line, as it's now called, is not only up and running, but it's also running like clockwork (ticket machines excepted). Judging by the smooth, speedy, 25-minute trip I took Wednesday to YVR and back, it's also a bargain. Perhaps too much of one. Nobody checked my $3.75 ticket, coming or going from Waterfront Station, which makes me wonder how many of the 73,000 Canada Line riders that day rode for free. Certainly, TransLink couldn't offer up such a figure yesterday. Indeed, I agree with Province reader Patricia George of North Delta that it's high time turnstiles were installed on the whole SkyTrain system, including the Canada Line, to keep out freeloaders: "I have travelled on rapid-transit systems in London, Paris and Hong Kong, and every one has turnstiles." Former Surrey mayor Doug McCallum also wants them put in as soon as possible, so people feel safe. "The Canada Line is designed for turnstiles, so the cost there won't be anywhere near what the other lines will be," he told me. McCallum, 65, should know what he's talking about. As TransLink chairman in 2004, he was the driving force behind getting directors of the divided regional transportation agency to approve the contentious RAV project, following two successive no votes. TransLink now says it will be at least 2012 before turnstiles and a smart-card system are installed. And this continuing delay really is a shame, considering all the millions the cash-starved agency is losing annually to fare evaders. Besides, what's the point of telling folks to get out of their cars and use public transit if they don't feel secure about doing so? McCallum, though, remains a big Canada Line booster. His big regret is the harm its construction caused Cambie Street businesses. In fact, he now believes the line should have been built one section at a time, with crews working around the clock and businesspeople being compensated for lost net profits. "I regret that we didn't push harder for that," he said. Looking forward, McCallum wants Metro Vancouver community leaders to forge ahead with other major transit projects such as the planned SkyTrain line to Coquitlam Town Centre: "I think we've got to build the Evergreen Line as fast as we can." But how are we going to pay for it all? Well, McCallum thinks there's always room for TransLink to save costs by becoming more efficient, stressing he was "shocked" by the huge raises the new TransLink directors recently received. I agree with him. We badly need to continue to expand transportation services in our mushrooming metropolitan region. To achieve that, nobody should be getting a free ride ... or one that's far too cushy. Ridin' the Canada Line rails Tracy Sherlock, Richmond News Published: Friday, August 28, 2009 Our city has been transformed before our eyes. We're now a well-connected, hustling and bustling metropolis. The Canada Line is here and we're a mere 25-minute train ride away from the deepest depths of downtown Vancouver. And likewise, the deepest depths of downtown are only a short ride away from the streets of Richmond. On Sunday afternoon, a co-worker told me there were lineups so big they required crowd control at Waterfront Station just to ride the new line. I suppose many of these people are looky-loos, who are just riding the train for the sheer novelty of it all. But, despite the tourist effect, ridership so far is surpassing all expectations. Just how many of those test-riders will return as regular commuters on the Canada Line is impossible to predict. But one thing is for sure: the new transit line is certainly a novelty to ride on and to behold. It's an interesting conundrum. The elevated line is a hideous thing for onlookers: a hulking, grey cement monster that stretches on and on down No. 3 Road. I don't even think beautification is in the realm of possibility for this creature. However, the elevation gives riders a great view. At the moment much of the view in Richmond is of flat rooftops, but I'm sure that will change as areas around the line densify and are developed. And the view of a sunrise or sunset from the new bridge over the North Arm of the Fraser River is nothing short of spectacular. In Vancouver, the NIMBYs fought and won to have the line placed underground. And yes, it definitely looks better. Now that the line is finished, Cambie is a far sight more attractive than the 2009 version of No. 3 Road. However, the view from the Canada Line itself is rather bland. It's all within a tunnel, and without the signage, you cannot differentiate one station from another. In other cities around the world subway stations have developed their own characters -- there might be different colours, different lettering or just different styles. The Canada Line underground stations have only one style and it's pretty bland. Perhaps, like the roofline in Richmond, the underground stations just need a little time to differentiate themselves. We can only hope for a bit of character along the way. The day after Labour Day will provide the next test of the Canada Line. That day, when kids return to school, and summer vacations end for many employees, is traditionally one of the busiest transit days of the year. This year, that fateful Tuesday coincides with the end of many buses that ran directly from Richmond to downtown, including the popular 98B Line. That day also brings the end to direct buses from South Delta and Surrey to downtown. Former riders of those buses will hop off their buses at the River Rock Casino and hop on the Canada Line at the junction of the Airport leg and the Richmond leg of the line. Commuters in South Delta have started a petition and Facebook group to fight the loss of their direct bus. I haven't heard of any corresponding Richmond petition, but then our city's residents tend to be a bit quieter in their protests. If you're planning on riding the Canada Line on Sept. 8, you might want to pick up a book of tickets ahead of time. The ticket vending machines on the Canada Line have a trick to them, and the lineups could be lengthy as people struggle to figure them out. The trick is to leave your debit or credit card in the slot until the light comes on, then to quickly pull it out of the slot. With a little luck, there will be new and improved instructions to help people figure it out. Only time will tell if the Canada Line will truly change Richmond into a more urban centre. But from a first-few-days perspective, the line appears to be a roaring success. The people have spoken and they want good Lower Mainland transit Published: August 28, 2009 1:00 AM The Editor, There you go, a perfect refutation of those nay-sayers of Translink’s rapid transit plans that I’ve been reading lately. The Canada Line between Richmond and Vancouver International Airport and downtown Vancouver is exceeding expected demands just a week later after the official opening. What greater illustration of the need for this particular mode of rapid transit could there possibly be? We need now to focus on building and then extending the Evergreen Line towards Abbotsford. This sector experiences extremely high levels of commuter travel over the new Golden Ears Bridge. These stories didn’t get much exposure but they are extremely relevant to the dangerous heavy traffic the Lower Mainland has been subjected to over the last several years and which everyone seems to have resigned themselves to seeing as normal. Expanding rapid transit should be seen as a great stimulus to small business and a benefit to the economy because, as the opening of Canada Line has proven, many more people are using it to get around and that will benefit all the businesses along the route. M. Schooff, Port Coquitlam Budding Richmond on track to growth DEREK MOSCATO FOR METRO VANCOUVER August 28, 2009 4:32 a.m. While the City of Richmond has seen increased urbanization over the past decade, there is an expectation that the city — and especially the No. 3 Road corridor — will be transformed by the Canada Line. No. 3 Road was chosen because of its existing commercial and residential density, which is still rising. Terry Crowe, Richmond’s manager of policy planning, said the city wants to add another 80,000 residents, primarily in high-density neighbourhoods near the city’s four Canada Line stations. Richmond’s City Centre is currently home to roughly 40,000 residents. With the No. 3 Road Restoration Project, $24 million has been spent to improve the corridor’s Canada Line streetscape, and to establish a foundation for urban development that is friendly to transit users, cyclists and pedestrians. In addition, there is an expectation that the rapid transit link will bring in more visitors. Gordon Price, director of the Simon Fraser University City Program, said recently that the Canada Line will afford more people the opportunity to explore not only the city’s vibrant culinary scene, but other urban developments such as public art. “For those who think Richmond is one big strip mall in search of a city, they’ll be surprised,” he wrote recently on his blog, Price Tags. “Already the blocks between the Lansdowne Station and the Olympic Oval have a very urban feel, deliberately designed in the Vancouver style.” Condo clusters • Richmond is preparing for clusters of high-rise condos around Canada Line stations, similar to those found in Burnaby and New West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 Ridin' the Canada Line rails Tracy Sherlock, Richmond News Published: Friday, August 28, 2009 ...The day after Labour Day will provide the next test of the Canada Line. That day, when kids return to school, and summer vacations end for many employees, is traditionally one of the busiest transit days of the year. This year, that fateful Tuesday coincides with the end of many buses that ran directly from Richmond to downtown, including the popular 98B Line. That day also brings the end to direct buses from South Delta and Surrey to downtown. Former riders of those buses will hop off their buses at the River Rock Casino and hop on the Canada Line at the junction of the Airport leg and the Richmond leg of the line. Commuters in South Delta have started a petition and Facebook group to fight the loss of their direct bus. I haven't heard of any corresponding Richmond petition, but then our city's residents tend to be a bit quieter in their protests. There there. We're screwed. At least South of Fraser commuters have the option of taking trains to Bridgeport, which is still pretty frequent (YVR trains branch out there). Richmond commuters are subjected to all cramming into a tiny train which won't help considering there's no more express buses running across the bridges (save the 480, but that's always at capacity during rush hour). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigUncle16 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 (edited) I actually agree with this move. Lots of other cities use a single name when two lines intersect. For example, my new place here in Seoul is near a station that serves two different subway lines, but simply uses one name -- Seoul Station -- despite its enormous size. Now that you've experienced the Seoul subway system, how do you feel about the adequacy of the Canada line and the Skytrains? BTW the transfer station between lines 4 and 7 have different names for each line. Line 4's station is Chongshin University station and Line 7's station is called Isu staiton. But usually the names are unified as you've mentioned. Edited August 29, 2009 by BigUncle16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverpig Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 A friend of mine had this as his facebook status a little while ago: "Surprised to see how many people take transit without paying!!! - fare check on the 99 B-Line busted about 20 individuals!!!!!! And some were lucky to not get checked!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 Now that you've experienced the Seoul subway system, how do you feel about the adequacy of the Canada line and the Skytrains? BTW the transfer station between lines 4 and 7 have different names for each line. Line 4's station is Chongshin University station and Line 7's station is called Isu staiton. But usually the names are unified as you've mentioned. It's a joke compared to Seoul's subway system, not to mention the far superior bus system. But of course, they have 20 odd million people so the scale is significantly different. They are basically incomparable. I LOVE Seoul's system though. I love having the entire City basically subdivided into subway stations. When you ask where someone lives, you always reply with the nearest station--because there's nowhere that isn't served by subway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyHermit Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 Now that you've experienced the Seoul subway system, how do you feel about the adequacy of the Canada line and the Skytrains? BTW the transfer station between lines 4 and 7 have different names for each line. Line 4's station is Chongshin University station and Line 7's station is called Isu staiton. But usually the names are unified as you've mentioned. The frequency for SkyTrain is definitely better but Seoul's ridership demands HUGE trains, which offsets the lower frequency. Their trains are very spacious... basically like the Canada Line trains but with more room down the middle (since all seats are side-facing). The trains are made by the same company, if I recall. A friend of mine had this as his facebook status a little while ago: "Surprised to see how many people take transit without paying!!! - fare check on the 99 B-Line busted about 20 individuals!!!!!! And some were lucky to not get checked!" "Surprised"... It's a joke compared to Seoul's subway system, not to mention the far superior bus system. But of course, they have 20 odd million people so the scale is significantly different. They are basically incomparable. I LOVE Seoul's system though. I love having the entire City basically subdivided into subway stations. When you ask where someone lives, you always reply with the nearest station--because there's nowhere that isn't served by subway. Yeah, same... We got shipped off to our respective schools yesterday, and we're all sharing info about where we are -- and everyone is using subway stations to describe where we are, including me. It's like in Hong Kong, where people describe their location the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 The frequency for SkyTrain is definitely better but Seoul's ridership demands HUGE trains, which offsets the lower frequency. Their trains are very spacious... basically like the Canada Line trains but with more room down the middle (since all seats are side-facing). The trains are made by the same company, if I recall. "Surprised"... Yeah, same... We got shipped off to our respective schools yesterday, and we're all sharing info about where we are -- and everyone is using subway stations to describe where we are, including me. It's like in Hong Kong, where people describe their location the same way. what part of town are you in? Seems really weird you didn't get to choose.... you're with a hagwan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyHermit Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 what part of town are you in? Seems really weird you didn't get to choose.... you're with a hagwan? I'm in Jung-gu. Nobody got to choose their location. I'm with the public school system, not a hagwon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 oh you're pretty much downtown--near dongdeamun or myeong-dong? Go check out sinchon. It's fun. Yongsan is dope too if you have money to burn. Which you should if your teaching gig is anything like mine. About $3000 a month for 16 hours of work! Plus they paid for my housing. Awesome. And Apgujeong to look at all the hotties. Seen this? http://english.visitkorea.or.kr/enu/TR/TR_EN_5_1_4.jsp Click the photo and it'll tell you where to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigUncle16 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 (edited) The frequency for SkyTrain is definitely better but Seoul's ridership demands HUGE trains, which offsets the lower frequency. Their trains are very spacious... basically like the Canada Line trains but with more room down the middle (since all seats are side-facing). The trains are made by the same company, if I recall Try the southern stretch of line 2 during rush hours (Sadang-Gangnam stretch). The trains are spaced so close together that a second train comes into the station literally 10 seconds after the first one leaves. Edited August 30, 2009 by BigUncle16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denrik Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Turnstiles: Make everyone who rides transit pay for trip Stop scofflaws who board for free — we need the revenue By Jon Ferry, The Province August 28, 2009 One of the bad things about being a journalist is the amount of time you tend to have to spend in tedious meetings. And none have been more tedious than those I attended in 2004 while TransLink directors debated in painful detail whether to proceed with what was then known as the RAV Line. Five years later, though, all that bile and hot air seem worth it. The Canada Line, as it's now called, is not only up and running, but it's also running like clockwork (ticket machines excepted). Judging by the smooth, speedy, 25-minute trip I took Wednesday to YVR and back, it's also a bargain. Perhaps too much of one. Nobody checked my $3.75 ticket, coming or going from Waterfront Station, which makes me wonder how many of the 73,000 Canada Line riders that day rode for free. Certainly, TransLink couldn't offer up such a figure yesterday. Indeed, I agree with Province reader Patricia George of North Delta that it's high time turnstiles were installed on the whole SkyTrain system, including the Canada Line, to keep out freeloaders: "I have travelled on rapid-transit systems in London, Paris and Hong Kong, and every one has turnstiles." Former Surrey mayor Doug McCallum also wants them put in as soon as possible, so people feel safe. "The Canada Line is designed for turnstiles, so the cost there won't be anywhere near what the other lines will be," he told me. McCallum, 65, should know what he's talking about. As TransLink chairman in 2004, he was the driving force behind getting directors of the divided regional transportation agency to approve the contentious RAV project, following two successive no votes. TransLink now says it will be at least 2012 before turnstiles and a smart-card system are installed. And this continuing delay really is a shame, considering all the millions the cash-starved agency is losing annually to fare evaders. Besides, what's the point of telling folks to get out of their cars and use public transit if they don't feel secure about doing so? McCallum, though, remains a big Canada Line booster. His big regret is the harm its construction caused Cambie Street businesses. In fact, he now believes the line should have been built one section at a time, with crews working around the clock and businesspeople being compensated for lost net profits. "I regret that we didn't push harder for that," he said. Looking forward, McCallum wants Metro Vancouver community leaders to forge ahead with other major transit projects such as the planned SkyTrain line to Coquitlam Town Centre: "I think we've got to build the Evergreen Line as fast as we can." But how are we going to pay for it all? Well, McCallum thinks there's always room for TransLink to save costs by becoming more efficient, stressing he was "shocked" by the huge raises the new TransLink directors recently received. I agree with him. We badly need to continue to expand transportation services in our mushrooming metropolitan region. To achieve that, nobody should be getting a free ride ... or one that's far too cushy. I hate jon ferry so much, one of the reasons why the province is just such a joke. All he does is either states the DUH FREAKIN OBVIOUS or has an opinion that is just out of this sane world that he retracts a week later and said he was simply, "mis understood". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyHermit Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 oh you're pretty much downtown--near dongdeamun or myeong-dong? Go check out sinchon. It's fun. Yongsan is dope too if you have money to burn. Which you should if your teaching gig is anything like mine. About $3000 a month for 16 hours of work! Plus they paid for my housing. Awesome. And Apgujeong to look at all the hotties. Seen this? http://english.visitkorea.or.kr/enu/TR/TR_EN_5_1_4.jsp Click the photo and it'll tell you where to go. I'm actually on the other sid of Namsan -- closer to Seoul Station. I was at Yongsan today and was drooling over everything at the electronics market. I felt like I died and went to heaven (which is impossible because we all know that I'm going to hell). Didn't buy anything except a USB drive though; I wanna wait after my first paycheck to spend any decent money. I don't make as much as you, unfortunately. It was funny though... a bunch of us from orientation didn't know what to do for our first day apart, so we all decided to wander around Itaewon and bumped into each other, one by one, until we all formed a giant gang and went afternoon drinking at a Canadian bar, lol. I'm still a little tipsy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck_4_Life Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 (edited) It'll suck trying to get on at Marine Drive Station during the morning rush......for those who have to. Edited August 30, 2009 by Canuck_4_Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyHermit Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 It'll suck trying to get on at Marine Drive Station during the morning rush......for those who have to. It'd be similar to the current situation for the 98 from 70th Avenue, I bet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyHermit Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 (edited) A view of the Line 6 platform of Samgakji Station in Seoul: Edited August 30, 2009 by BuckyHermit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Alexander Cody Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Dumbest thing Transit has made is to take out the 98 B-Line. Also the Airporter bus. I still see lots of people waiting at the bus station to ride the Airporter. Like hell who would walk so bloody far to ride a fricken sky train with all that luggage around? Screw the Canada Line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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