KoreanHockeyFan Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 A few of those videos are from anti-right groups. The Young Turks? They even think Peter Schiff is a quack.... just because he's some guy that predicted the US economy going into the dumps a few years before it happened. The first video, Beck is just warning people about being extra careful when listening to rhetoric. Just the simple, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". The whole Hitler part, I don't see how there's any correlation, either than they're both just happens to be on the right side of the political spectrum. He did mention how he's labeled as racist, yet his best friends are Jewish and of colour, lol. If you actually know his program, he does talk about God(s) and religion a lot (means nothing to me, since I'm non-religious), but you have to understand the concept of "God" within the context of the US constitution. "God-given right" means it's inalienable, thus it cannot be taken away. Moving away any notion of a supreme being means that rights are given by man/government.... thus can be changed at any point. The article piece you posted.... it's a 9/12 group... not GLEN BECK's 9/12 group. The only "issue" I can see with that camp is that it's religious. Either than that, (from what I can take from the article), it promotes monetary responsibility and how not to act like an European socialist.... judging from what's going on over there, it should be be a good thing, lol. I know you're not a fan of Glenn Beck, religion, or whatever.... but as with any opposing view points... cut through the drama/comedy and other fluff and just focus on the core message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeStealth Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 His core message is supported through Nazi comparisons. He does it every chance he gets, and as a result, he makes several out-of-touch hyperboles. It's kind of hard to "cut through the drama/comedy" and take a guy seriously like that. I don't even know if you can consider that to be comedy. Dramatic may fit the description though; over-dramatic in fact. Actually, what am I even saying, he works for FOX. He's definitely over-dramatic. I'd be willing to even say that Glenn Beck makes Bill O'Reilly look like an astute political commentator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Actually, he runs his own online show instead of staying with FOX. I know FOX is known for very biased reporting, but when you watch MSNBC and other left-biased media, it's equally as bad. Although I do agree that Glenn does over-act a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 GOP Blasts "Obama's War on Women" RNC's new ad focuses on Bill Maher's super PAC donation. By Josh Voorhees | Posted Monday, March 19, 2012, at 2:09 PM ET The RNC is doubling down on its comparisons between Bill Maher and Rush Limbaugh The Republican National Committee is out with a new ad aimed at returning serve after Democrats made hay over Rush Limbaugh's recent inflammatory comments about Georgetown law student Sandra Fluke. The new ad, entitled "Obama's War on Women" (and embedded below), focuses on two main fronts: the first is centered on the fact that Bill Maher, who once described Sara Palin as a "????," has donated $1 million to the super PAC backing President Obama's re-election; the second is a section in Ron Suskind's book Confidence Men, which described the White House as a boys' club that often left female staffers on the sidelines. The main attraction of the 90-second spot is probably an exchange between CNN's Erin Burnett and Obama campaign adviser David Axelrod, during which the anchor questions whether there is a double standard at play given how the president's backers reacted to the controversy over Limbaugh's controversial remarks. The Obama camp has distanced itself from Maher of late—with Axelrod reportedly backing out of a planned appearance on his HBO show—but the president and his advisers have not called on their super PAC to return the $1 million donation. Here's the video: http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/03/19/rnc_ad_blasts_obama_s_war_on_women_by_focusing_on_bill_maher.html After all the anti-women legislation these pricks have been pushing, must take some kind of balls or cognitive dissonance to come up with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Looks like it will be coming down to Romney or Obama. That will be good since then I really won't care who wins. It's odd that people try to demonise Romney as someone that took failing companies, fired half the staff, and got them back to making profits for the shareholders. That's exactly what the US fed needs and if that were to happen it would be good to invest in the states again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Looks like it will be coming down to Romney or Obama. That will be good since then I really won't care who wins. It's odd that people try to demonise Romney as someone that took failing companies, fired half the staff, and got them back to making profits for the shareholders. That's exactly what the US fed needs and if that were to happen it would be good to invest in the states again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Situation Posted March 21, 2012 Author Share Posted March 21, 2012 Looks like it will be coming down to Romney or Obama. That will be good since then I really won't care who wins. It's odd that people try to demonise Romney as someone that took failing companies, fired half the staff, and got them back to making profits for the shareholders. That's exactly what the US fed needs and if that were to happen it would be good to invest in the states again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 People are also demonizing Romney for flip-flopping on Roe v Wade, immigration, climate change, EVERY tax in existence, etc. Its impossible to get a read on this guy because he frackin' changes his view on everything, ALL THE TIME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FeStealth Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Bull-farking-shiat, what a false equivalence fallacy. I think there's a positive relationship between how far to the right one is, and how full of crap they are. How timely. Still want to call TYT anti-right? It's so easy to toss false equivalences around when you don't have to back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Within the first minute, the guy is already way out into left field. Support for social programs that are impossible to maintain, sounds like good fiscal policy right there Not saying the Keynesian theory in place is working, but socialism definitely isn't gonna help. I always find it amusing when I'm trying to be bipartisan by saying both left and right are crappy, yet you're too ingrained with your hatred of the right to even realize that. As for the biased from MSNBC and other media outlets.... this youtube vid basically says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woot Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Well, look's like it's down to Romney vs Obama, and if I was American I'd have to vote Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeStealth Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I must hate myself. What social programs are NOT impossible to maintain with low enough taxes? None. What social programs are possible to maintain given high enough taxes? All the good ones. WTF are you talking about? "What we have isn't working, but let's not change." Why is it that countries with socialism have better quality of life for everyone? Why is it that Yanks get what, 10 days of mandatory vacation, why most of Scandinavian Europe gets a month or more? Why is their minimum wage 2x what it is in Canada? A hybrid of healthy capitalism and socialism is what's necessary. I find it amusing when you commit a false equivalency fallacy over and over, instead of actually being bipartisan. Being bipartisan isn't saying "both parties are the same", unless you're an intellectual midget, and I'm not sure you're not anymore. Sure, both parties are corporate cronies and share foreign policy to a large degree, and that's about where similarities end. GOP is a Christian fundamentalist party that oppresses gays, women, atheists and other religions, and anyone who doesn't seem to be a middle-aged white man, or a millionaire. As for your video being proof of anything, I don't know if I should cry or laugh at you. I give you points for finding a black guy to say bad things about liberals, too bad he doesn't know the difference between liberal and Democrat, Republican and conservative, social conservative and fiscal conservative. Those words actually mean things, they're not interchangeable. But hey, Lawrence is a Democratic Media Spokesperson. And he's talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Pick up a book on "Intro to Economics" before you start sprouting off about social programs and such. The US public debt is only part of the overall debt. Toss in unfunded liabilities and even seizing all the assets of the rich wouldn't be enough to perpetually sustain it. Just look up for the thread about US debt, I've wrote plenty about it with sources and stuff. It's funny how you say the GOP are basically a hatred party.... yet the KKK were founded by members of the Democrat, and guess who supported segregation during the Civil Rights movement? http://en.wikipedia....E2%80%931968%29 Notice that most of them were Democrats save for a couple? Read up on "Solid South" while you're at it. Champions of freedom and equality like Abe Lincoln and MLK Jr were Republicans. It's true that many inaccurate terminologies have been thrown around, but you're just as guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreanHockeyFan Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 woops, delete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreanHockeyFan Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Actually, he runs his own online show instead of staying with FOX. I know FOX is known for very biased reporting, but when you watch MSNBC and other left-biased media, it's equally as bad. Although I do agree that Glenn does over-act a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeStealth Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I'm sorry if I seem hesitant to take Econ tips from a guy who cries that the rich are double taxed. Why is it other nations are able to manage their finances by having high taxes and low inequality? What's so special about them, that isn't about the US? Want to look at national debt? Look at how much Bush increased it with unfunded wars and tax cuts. America is one of the lowest taxed developed countries, with the biggest goddamn military the world has ever seen, and the world's biggest economy. Yet they can't provide their citizens healthcare? How many days in Iraq and Afghanistan could pay tuition for every American post secondary student? Are the parties the same today as they were 100 years ago? Really think Lincoln would be a Republican today? South was Democratic in those days, which way does it vote these times? It's laughable to discount the changes undergone by both parties since the Civil War. Who is championing gay rights? Who's trying to take away women's rights? I didn't bother with debunking that video, because I quickly realized it was full of crap. Do you know who voted for the Clean Air Act? Not Republicans. That's who. I'm just as guilty? Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Looks like it will be coming down to Romney or Obama. That will be good since then I really won't care who wins. It's odd that people try to demonise Romney as someone that took failing companies, fired half the staff, and got them back to making profits for the shareholders. That's exactly what the US fed needs and if that were to happen it would be good to invest in the states again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Satan's Evil Twin Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I'm sorry that you have no idea about economics. If you fail to understand the concept of double-taxation, it's your own loss. Country with high tax and low inequality, Sweden probably being the only exception to the rule. Just look at the rest of Europe, I bet they're doing great there aren't they? As for the US military, I never say it wasn't too big, just you have to look everything though relative terms. The budget for the social security and Medicare is twice as much as the US military.... the #1 superpower of the world. You don't think that's "too big" then you're obviously living in fantasy land. The social programs are unsustainable, pure and simple. You may even double the tax on "the rich" and it would barely cover the interest expense of the debt. The United States of America doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem. Social programs needs to be reined in, along with the military. Simple taxation isn't the be all end all. For the political parties, I'm not talking about ancient history. 50 years ago is too far back now? Considering the US is still repairing the racial/inequality damage done by the Democrats by then, the harm they did then is still relevant. For you being guilty of using misleading terms... Not stereotyping much, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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