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#121 لني

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 01:12 AM

The motives behind people that donate / volunteer always vary, but as someone that volunteers with a number of charitable organizations, I can tell you that plenty of people are only there for a reference. At the end of the day, even with that in mind, it's still better that we have those people helping us oppose to being severely understaffed.

In terms of this KONY campaign, you're forgetting that most people that likely saw these ads were basically bumming around on Facebook or Twitter, not dropping off a big cheque at the Red Cross. If anything, this viral marketing has highlighted poverty / children of war, and other related areas beyond just this specific campaign.

Lastly, it's not exactly a compelling argument to assume every dollar that goes to IC would have went to another charity otherwise. It likely would have went to to a Wendy's frosty or something -- you underestimate consumerist mentality.

Regardless, I can see how people would be bothered by the supposed financial figures. Yes, some people do get paid at non-profit organizations and yes, there are associated costs with marketing & travelling across the world. However, from a charitable standpoint they converted every $1 they put into marketing (funded by early donations) into essentially $10 later -- much of which will likely see a significantly higher % going towards helping directly. Realistically, that's a wiser investment with better long term success than someone outside the grocery store ringing a bell.


My previous career was in the non-profit sector with developmentally disabled people and I have also volunteered and am well aware of why people volunteer and the issues/reality behind the curtain.

You say people wouldn't donate somewhere else necessarily but would by a Frosty?

Really? Talk about exaggerating to make a point. That is the lamest tired argument and it seems to keep popping up. Hardly compelling.

You seem to miss several key issues which the most important one is Kony is no longer operating in Uganda and hasn't for some time. Never mind the intended actions by IC and the questions surrounding how they will carry out these actions.

My argument has rested on the issue of the process. No people probably aren't dropping off a big cheque at the Red Cross, I am actually unsure of what your point is, they are however ignorantly putting money towards situation they don't understand through a charity they know nothing about.

If it wasn't for some "whistleblowers" saying "hold up a minute" we wouldn't be having this discussion and more than likely people would have continued on their merry way and more donations would flow in with people feeling fantastic about their "intentions".

I can assure you, though I suggest you do your own homework, that a localized charity in Vancouver is much different than a far off charity dealing with a far off situation. There are checks and balances in place to prevent misuse of charitable donations in Vancouver and it would be backed by law.

My hope is that this debacle will highlight the importance of people needing to do their homework and not fall victim to slick marketing campaigns asking for money. This goes beyond IC.

It remarkable how people rationalize things and this is no different. People wouldn't think it OK to give $30 dollars to some Nigeria dude claiming over email that it's going to a "good cause" but they see no issue doing for a group that labels itself a charity.

Good intentions =/= good actions/results.
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It is not my intent to get in circular arguments with anybody. The reason i have avoided saying anything specific is because i know you or someone else will attempt to find an alternate explanation to my points which i intern will have to defend. I see no point in getting involved with the circular argument that is already well under way in this thread. I simply intended to voice my opinion on the subject. In the end either you accept the possibility of corruption and conspiracy or you don't.

Also i find your comments to be very childish. Does taking what i say out of context, paraphrasing and misquoting it make you feel good about yourself? Grow up.


Logic at its finest.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 02:33 AM

Kony 2012, named after the infamous leader of Christian terrorist group the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA)

:picard: it's DESPICABLE that this guy would use the Christian name to start his group for terrorism; his reputation should not be affiliated even loosely with the Christian name because he represents NOTHING that Christianity values EDIT: it sounds like an attempt to gain viral publicity (why would the States ONLY do something if the people care?)

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 04:29 PM


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Posted 12 March 2012 - 07:47 PM

Dangerous ignorance: The hysteria of Kony 2012

The video qualifies as irresponsible advocacy by prompting militarisation and detracting from Uganda's real problems.


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Kampala, Uganda - From Kampala, the Kony 2012 hysteria was easy to miss. I'm not on Facebook or Twitter. I don't watch YouTube and the Ugandan papers didn't pick up the story for several days. But what I could not avoid were the hundreds of emails from friends, colleagues, and students in the US about the video by Invisible Children and the massive online response to it.

I have not watched the video. As someone who has worked in northern Uganda and researched the war there for more than a decade, much of it with a local human rights organisation based in Gulu, the Invisible Children organisation and their videos have often left me infuriated - I remember the sleepless nights after I watched their "Rough Cut" film for the first time with a group of students, after which I tried to explain to the audience what was wrong with the film while on stage with one of the filmmakers.

My frustration with the group has largely reflected the concerns expressed so convincingly by those online critics who have been willing to bring the fury of Invisible Children's true believers down upon themselves in order to point out what is wrong with this group's approach: the warmongering, the narcissism, the commercialisation, the reductive and one-sided story they tell, their portrayal of Africans as helpless children in need of rescue by white Americans.
As a result of Invisible Children's irresponsible advocacy, civilians in Uganda and central Africa may have to pay a steep price in their own lives so that a lot of young Americans can feel good about themselves, and a few can make good money. This, of course, is sickening, and I think that Kony 2012 is a case of Invisible Children having finally gone too far. They are now facing a backlash from people of conscience who refuse to abandon their capacity to think for themselves.
But, as I said, I wouldn't have known about Kony 2012 if it hadn't been for the emails I've been receiving from the US. And that, I think, is telling. Kony 2012 and the debate around it are not about Uganda, but about America. Uganda is largely just the stage for a debate over the meaning of political activism in the US today. Likewise, in my view, the Kony 2012 campaign itself is basically irrelevant here in Uganda, and perhaps the best approach might be to just ignore it. This is for a couple reasons.
First, because Invisible Children's campaign is a symptom, not a cause. It is an excuse that the US government has gladly adopted in order to help justify the expansion of their military presence in central Africa. Invisible Children are "useful idiots", being used by those in the US government who seek to militarise Africa, to send more and more weapons and military aid, and to bolster the power of states who are US allies.
The hunt for Joseph Kony is the perfect excuse for this strategy - how often does the US government find millions of young Americans pleading that they intervene militarily in a place rich in oil and other resources? The US government would be pursuing this militarisation with or without Invisible Children - Kony 2012 just makes it a little easier. Therefore, it is the militarisation we need to worry about, not Invisible Children.

Second, because in northern Uganda, people's lives will be left untouched by this campaign, even if it were to achieve its stated objectives. This is not because all the problems have been resolved in the years since open fighting ended, but because the very serious problems people face today have little to do with Kony. Inside Story - 'Kony 2012': The future of activism
The most significant problem people face is over land. Land speculators and so-called investors, many foreign, in collaboration with the Ugandan government and military, are grabbing the land of the Acholi people, land that the Acholi were forced from a decade ago, when the government herded them into internment camps.
Another serious problem is so-called "nodding disease' - a deadly illness that has broken out among thousands of children who had the bad luck to be born and grown in the camps, subsisting on relief aid. Indeed, the problems people face today are the legacy of the camps, where more than a million Acholi were forced to live, and die - for years - by their own government as part of a counterinsurgency that received essential support from the US government and from international aid agencies.

Which brings up the question that I am constantly asked in the US: "What can we do?", where "we" tends to mean relatively privileged US citizens. In response, I have a few proposals:
The first, perhaps not surprising from a professor, is to learn. The conflict in northern Uganda and central Africa is complicated, but not impossible to understand. For several years, I have taught an undergraduate class on the conflict, and although it takes some time and effort, the students end up being well informed and able to come to their own opinions about what can be done. (I am more than happy to share the syllabus with anyone interested!)
In terms of activism, I think the first step is to re-think the question: Instead of asking how the US can intervene in order to solve Africa's conflicts, we need to ask what we are already doing to cause those conflicts in the first place. How are we, as consumers, contributing to land grabbing and to the wars ravaging this region? How are we, as US citizens, allowing our government to militarise Africa in the name of the "War on Terror" and its effort to secure oil resources?
These are the questions that we who represent Kony 2012's target audience must ask ourselves, because we are indeed responsible for the conflict in northern Uganda - responsible for helping to cause and prolong it. It is not, however, our responsibility, as Invisible Children encourages us to believe, to try to end the conflict by sending in military force. In our desire to ameliorate suffering, we must not be complicit in making it worse.
Adam Branch is senior research fellow at the Makerere Institute of Social Research, Uganda, and assistant professor of political science at San Diego State University, US. He is the author of Displacing Human Rights: War and Intervention in Northern Uganda.
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Posted 12 March 2012 - 08:51 PM

Kony 2012, named after the infamous leader of Christian terrorist group the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA)

:picard: it's DESPICABLE that this guy would use the Christian name to start his group for terrorism; his reputation should not be affiliated even loosely with the Christian name because he represents NOTHING that Christianity values EDIT: it sounds like an attempt to gain viral publicity (why would the States ONLY do something if the people care?)


That's a no true Scotsman fallacy
http://en.wikipedia....o_true_scotsman

There's no universal set of "Christian values". Who are you to deny someone's faith because it doesn't match your interpretation of it?
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Posted 12 March 2012 - 10:10 PM

Beyond the fact we could finally get Kony. If this movement is successful, imagine what that means for humanity going forward.

The internet is truly a gift from god!


You should tell this guy then...

The internet has the potential to destroy society, the Archbishop of York has warned.

http://news.bbc.co.u...news/706341.stm

 

 


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Posted 13 March 2012 - 09:36 PM

http://royce.house.g...LRA_3.13.12.pdf

Well, that was quick.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 10:32 PM

Wow, viral marketing propaganda.

Sounds like a lot of people are waking up to this one and realizing it's all bull****. I'll personally be ripping down any of this crap I see around town.

And did they really just include bracelets with unique ID's on them? Where you input your ID into their database with your personal information so they can track you? LOL? Sad thing is people will be happily doing this. Might as well skip the pleasantries and just ask for your tattoo already.



3:30 for your tracking ID bracelet

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 11:29 PM

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Oh no! Unique ID for Coke to track you while you sleep. I bet people are happy entering their information, bunch of sheeple I tells ya!

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:58 AM

Oh no! Unique ID for Coke to track you while you sleep. I bet people are happy entering their information, bunch of sheeple I tells ya!


Indeed. Predictive Programming.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 07:51 AM

Indeed. Predictive Programming.

I think I speak for everyone when I say 'You're messed in the head'

Have a nice preprogrammed Illuminati day!

Edited by lateralus, 19 March 2012 - 04:00 PM.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:34 AM


Dr. Ron Paul 2016!


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Posted 16 March 2012 - 02:10 PM

The co-founder from the video (Jason Russell) just got arrested for being drunk and disorderly and allegedly masturbating in public.


Oh dear :lol:

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 02:18 PM

The co-founder from the video (Jason Russell) just got arrested for being drunk and disorderly and allegedly masturbating in public.


Oh dear :lol:

:lol:

Wow...

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 03:46 PM

Mass Propaganda fail

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 05:45 PM

:(


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 01:18 PM

The co-founder from the video (Jason Russell) just got arrested for being drunk and disorderly and allegedly masturbating in public.

Oh dear :lol:



Other news sources say he had no substances in him when the made the arrest, I think I read that in national post.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:04 PM

That's a no true Scotsman fallacy
http://en.wikipedia....o_true_scotsman

There's no universal set of "Christian values". Who are you to deny someone's faith because it doesn't match your interpretation of it?


Nowhere in the Bible does it advocate taking teenagers as child soldiers to kill their parents; if anything, "honor your father and mother" (Exodus 20:12) advocate the OPPOSITE of what Kony did.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:41 PM

I think I speak for everyone when I say 'You're fracked in the head'

Have a nice preprogrammed Illuminati day!


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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:20 AM

Nowhere in the Bible does it advocate taking teenagers as child soldiers to kill their parents; if anything, "honor your father and mother" (Exodus 20:12) advocate the OPPOSITE of what Kony did.


The Bible says a lot of things about a lot of stuff (let's not turn this into a God Thread). Apart from fundamentalists, Christians have deviated from what the bible has instructed, one way or another (especially the things Paul wrote, he had some crazy stuff).

Realistically, Kony's full of crap. But technically....

Other news sources say he had no substances in him when the made the arrest, I think I read that in national post.


Considering what he just did,he might WANT to use drugs as an excuse for his behaviour.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 01:18 AM

Other news sources say he had no substances in him when the made the arrest, I think I read that in national post.


He may want to claim he was to explain some of what he did, I don't think his rep claiming exhaustion, dehydration, and malnutrition as a result of a strenuous PR campaigning is gonna cut it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32PBZ870ymg&skipcontrinter=1

New Jason Russell THE NAKED MELTDOWN From Up Close

From far away, it was a naked man pounding the sidewalk in public -- now TMZ has obtained up close video of Jason Russell's meltdown ... complete with four-letter words ... and the devil.

In this new video, Russell can be heard ranting to himself, dropping F-bombs, clapping to no one in particular, and shouting about the devil.

Russell was not arrested and won't be charged ... but he has been placed on a 5150 psychiatric hold.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 01:21 AM

Gotta say, dudes in shape, he obviously works out


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Posted 18 March 2012 - 08:50 AM

Gotta say, dudes in shape, he obviously works out


Definitely see how ripped his right forearm is.
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It is not my intent to get in circular arguments with anybody. The reason i have avoided saying anything specific is because i know you or someone else will attempt to find an alternate explanation to my points which i intern will have to defend. I see no point in getting involved with the circular argument that is already well under way in this thread. I simply intended to voice my opinion on the subject. In the end either you accept the possibility of corruption and conspiracy or you don't.

Also i find your comments to be very childish. Does taking what i say out of context, paraphrasing and misquoting it make you feel good about yourself? Grow up.


Logic at its finest.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 10:08 AM

What a load of crap..this is been going on forever..now it's "popular" to help Africa!??..give me a break I'm sick to my stomach with the propaganda..WAKE UP..you support an invasion of Africa!!..you dumb sheep will see..they want a reason to invade to exploit resources..disgusting American propaganda which I'm not falling for..look at videos of local Ugandans on you tube telling people that the USA is going to invade..what are they gonna do go kill child soldiers..disgusting!!..USA are the new nazis and people can't see it :( wow!

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 10:29 AM





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Posted 18 March 2012 - 10:40 AM

What a load of crap..this is been going on forever..now it's "popular" to help Africa!??..give me a break I'm sick to my stomach with the propaganda..WAKE UP..you support an invasion of Africa!!..you dumb sheep will see..they want a reason to invade to exploit resources..disgusting American propaganda which I'm not falling for..look at videos of local Ugandans on you tube telling people that the USA is going to invade..what are they gonna do go kill child soldiers..disgusting!!..USA are the new nazis and people can't see it :( wow!


I don't know who's crazier the public masterbater or you...
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It is not my intent to get in circular arguments with anybody. The reason i have avoided saying anything specific is because i know you or someone else will attempt to find an alternate explanation to my points which i intern will have to defend. I see no point in getting involved with the circular argument that is already well under way in this thread. I simply intended to voice my opinion on the subject. In the end either you accept the possibility of corruption and conspiracy or you don't.

Also i find your comments to be very childish. Does taking what i say out of context, paraphrasing and misquoting it make you feel good about yourself? Grow up.


Logic at its finest.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 11:15 AM

I don't know who's crazier the public masterbater or you...


Keep watchin CNN CBC mass media lies you dumb uneducated sheep..if you can't see through that bullcrap then your sick in the head

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 11:44 AM

Keep watchin CNN CBC mass media lies you dumb uneducated sheep..if you can't see through that bullcrap then your sick in the head

I live in the middle east so:

1) I don't watch CBC and very very little CNN
2) it would make me a dumb uneducated camel :D
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It is not my intent to get in circular arguments with anybody. The reason i have avoided saying anything specific is because i know you or someone else will attempt to find an alternate explanation to my points which i intern will have to defend. I see no point in getting involved with the circular argument that is already well under way in this thread. I simply intended to voice my opinion on the subject. In the end either you accept the possibility of corruption and conspiracy or you don't.

Also i find your comments to be very childish. Does taking what i say out of context, paraphrasing and misquoting it make you feel good about yourself? Grow up.


Logic at its finest.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 06:55 PM

Omg KONY 2012 YEAAAAA BABABY!!!!!

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 03:50 PM

U.S. special forces assist in hunt for warlord Joseph Kony: http://huff.to/JG1R2X

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