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Posted 27 March 2012 - 04:02 PM

(NaturalNews) While the medical, pharmaceutical, and vaccine industries are busy pushing new vaccines for practically every condition under the sun, a new study published in the journal Immunity completely deconstructs the entire vaccination theory. It turns out that the body's natural immune systems, comprised of both innate and adaptive components, work together to ward off disease without the need for antibody-producing vaccines.

The theory behind vaccines is that they mimic infection by spurring B cells, one of the two major types of white blood cells in the immune system, to produce antibodies as part of the adaptive immune system. It is widely believed that these vaccine-induced antibodies, which are part of the more specific adaptive immune system, teach the immune system how to directly respond to an infection before the body becomes exposed to it.

But the new research highlights the fact that innate immunity plays a significant role in fighting infections, and is perhaps more important than adaptive immunity at preventing or fighting infections. In tests, adaptive immune system antibodies were shown unable to fight infection by themselves, which in essence debunks the theory that vaccine-induced antibodies serve any legitimate function in preventing or fighting off infection.

"Our findings contradict the current view that antibodies are absolutely required to survive infection with viruses like VSV (vesicular stomatitis virus), and establish an unexpected function for B cells as custodians of macrophages in antiviral immunity," said Dr. Uldrich H. von Andrian from Harvard Medical School. "It will be important to further dissect the role of antibodies and interferons in immunity against similar viruses that attack the nervous system, such as rabies, West Nile virus, and Encephalitis."

As explained by Dr. Russell Blaylock in a recent interview with Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, vaccines not only do not work as advertised, but they actually damage the body's innate immunity. Rather than teach the body how to respond to infections, vaccines actually inhibit the immune system's ability to produce TH2-type cytokines, and suppress cellular immunity, which is how the body protects itself against deadly viruses and bacteria.

So once again, the myth that vaccinations serve any sort of legitimate medical purpose has been deconstructed by breakthrough science. Regardless of whether or not the mainstream medical community wants to admit it, pro-vaccine ideology is increasingly finding itself in the dustheap of outmoded pseudoscience.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 04:10 PM

Funny humans trying to play God.

We've survived this long without any need of preventative "medicine". it's sad that people would have been scared into believing it was now necessary. Stop injecting yourself and your children. Do not trust the Government.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 04:14 PM

Glad I refused to ever get vaccinated.

If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 04:18 PM

Funny humans trying to play God.

We've survived this long without any need of preventative "medicine". it's sad that people would have been scared into believing it was now necessary. Stop injecting yourself and your children. Do not trust the Government.


I never trust anyone that's motivated for money. The pharmaceutical industry, how much money do they need?

Like you said, we have survived this long. Why would we need to start adding all these things to our bodies?

It's only asking for trouble.

If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 04:24 PM

Funny humans trying to play God.

We've survived this long without any need of preventative "medicine". it's sad that people would have been scared into believing it was now necessary. Stop injecting yourself and your children. Do not trust the Government.

Google the number of children who used to die of smallpox before vaccinations. Google the number of children who used to die of measles before vaccinations. Now check the numbers for after vaccinations against those two things. Funny thing that, we've been vaccinating children against these things for how long now? Not exactly 'surviving' without any need of 'preventative medicine', is it?

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 04:30 PM

I never trust anyone that's motivated for money. The pharmaceutical industry, how much money do they need?

Like you said, we have survived this long. Why would we need to start adding all these things to our bodies?

It's only asking for trouble.


So, the naturopaths pushing this aren't motivated by money?

Google the number of children who used to die of smallpox before vaccinations. Google the number of children who used to die of measles before vaccinations. Now check the numbers for after vaccinations against those two things. Funny thing that, we've been vaccinating children against these things for how long now? Not exactly 'surviving' without any need of 'preventative medicine', is it?


This.

And with that in mind, regardless of whether or not the first few paragraphs are accurate, this statement is laughable:

So once again, the myth that vaccinations serve any sort of legitimate medical purpose has been deconstructed by breakthrough science.


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Posted 27 March 2012 - 04:33 PM

A bunch of concerned parents in various communities went down this path, and it led to the recent mumps outbreaks in the states amonst other things. OP, unlike all the other consipracy theory stuff you believe, this one has real world reprecussions, so give it a lot of thought before you buy into it.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 04:42 PM

Google the number of children who used to die of smallpox before vaccinations. Google the number of children who used to die of measles before vaccinations. Now check the numbers for after vaccinations against those two things. Funny thing that, we've been vaccinating children against these things for how long now? Not exactly 'surviving' without any need of 'preventative medicine', is it?



By Dr. James Howenstine, MD.
December 7, 2003
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Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National institute of health declared, "the only safe vaccine is one that is never used."

Cowpox vaccine was believed able to immunize people against smallpox. At the time this vaccine was introduced, there was already a decline in the number of cases of smallpox. Japan introduced compulsory vaccination in 1872. In 1892 there were 165,774 cases of smallpox with 29,979 deaths despite the vaccination program. A stringent compulsory smallpox vaccine program, which prosecuted those refusing the vaccine, was instituted in England in 1867. Within 4 years 97.5 % of persons between 2 and 50 had been vaccinated. The following year England experienced the worst smallpox epidemic[1] in its history with 44,840 deaths. Between 1871 and 1880 the incidence of smallpox escalated from 28 to 46 per 100,000. The smallpox vaccine does not work.

Much of the success attributed to vaccination programs may actually have been due to improvement in public health related to water quality and sanitation, less crowded living conditions, better nutrition, and higher standards of living. Typically the incidence of a disease was clearly declining before the vaccine for that disease was introduced. In England the incidence of polio had decreased by 82 % before the polio vaccine was introduced in 1956.

In the early 1900s an astute Indiana physician, Dr. W.B. Clarke, stated "Cancer was practically unknown until compulsory vaccination with cowpox vaccine began to be introduced. I have had to deal with two hundred cases of cancer, and I never saw a case of cancer in an unvaccinated[2] person."

There is a widely held belief that vaccines should not be criticized because the public might refuse to take them. This is valid only if the benefits exceed the known risks of the vaccines.

Do Vaccines Actually Prevent Disease?

This important question does not appear to have ever been adequately studied. Vaccines are enormously profitable for drug companies and recent legislation in the U.S. has exempted lawsuits against pharmaceutical firms in the event of adverse reactions to vaccines which are very common. In 1975 Germany stopped requiring pertussis (whooping cough) vaccination. Today less than 10 % of German children are vaccinated against pertussis. The number of cases of pertussis has steadily decreased[3] even though far fewer children are receiving pertussis vaccine.

Measles outbreaks have occurred in schools with vaccination rates over 98 % in all parts of the U.S. including areas that had reported no cases of measles for years. As measles immunization rates rise to high levels measles becomes a disease seen only in vaccinated persons. An outbreak of measles occurred in a school where 100 % of the children had been vaccinated. Measles mortality rates had declined by 97 % in England before measles vaccination was instituted.

In 1986 there were 1300 cases of pertussis in Kansas and 90 % of these cases occurred in children who had been adequately vaccinated. Similar vaccine failures have been reported from Nova Scotia where pertussis continues to be occurring despite universal vaccination. Pertussis remains endemic[4] in the Netherlands where for more than 20 years 96 % of children have received 3 pertussis shots by age 12 months.

After institution of diptheria vaccination in England and Wales in 1894 the number of deaths from diptheria rose by 20 % in the subsequent 15 years. Germany had compulsory vaccination in 1939. The rate of diptheria spiraled to 150,000 cases that year whereas, Norway which did not have compulsory vaccination, had only 50 cases of diptheria the same year.

The continued presence of these infectious diseases in children who have received vaccines proves that life long immunity which follows natural infection does not occur in persons receiving vaccines. The injection process places the viral particles into the blood without providing any clear way to eliminate these foreign substances.

Full article: http://www.newswithv...stine/james.htm

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 04:47 PM

Google the number of children who used to die of smallpox before vaccinations. Google the number of children who used to die of measles before vaccinations. Now check the numbers for after vaccinations against those two things. Funny thing that, we've been vaccinating children against these things for how long now? Not exactly 'surviving' without any need of 'preventative medicine', is it?


Don't forget polio.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 04:48 PM

Well I guess Doctors from Harvard are clearly just a bunch of crack pot, tin foil hatters.

Thanks for repeating the doctrine, I almost got caught believing news from a non mainstream media source. What was I thinking?

Go back to bed. Shut up. Take your medicine. Big Pharma knows best. Believe our reports. Ignore legitimate outside sources. Go to sleep.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 04:49 PM

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 04:51 PM

A bunch of concerned parents in various communities went down this path, and it led to the recent mumps outbreaks in the states amonst other things. OP, unlike all the other consipracy theory stuff you believe, this one has real world reprecussions, so give it a lot of thought before you buy into it.


Uhh huh.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 04:52 PM

Well I guess Doctors from Harvard are clearly just a bunch of crack pot, tin foil hatters.

Thanks for repeating the doctrine, I almost got caught believing news from a non mainstream media source. What was I thinking?

Go back to bed. Shut up. Take your medicine. Big Pharma knows best. Believe our reports. Ignore legitimate outside sources. Go to sleep.


Don't forget to shove a needle up your arm and intentionally infect yourself with a disease and other toxins.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:00 PM

Uhh huh.


look, just don't vaccinate your kids and then tell them your beliefs when they get the mumps later in life.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:03 PM

look, just don't vaccinate your kids and then tell them your beliefs when they get the mumps later in life.


And smallpox and measles.......and polio.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:04 PM

The article you cited is extremely biased, and made a number of assertions that is not support by the research itself. I suggests that you at least read up on the neutral report on the research, if not the research itself:

Antibodies Are Not Required for Immunity Against Some Viruses

ScienceDaily (Mar. 1, 2012) — A new study turns the well established theory that antibodies are required for antiviral immunity upside down and reveals that an unexpected partnership between the specific and non-specific divisions of the immune system is critical for fighting some types of viral infections. The research, published online on March 1st in the journal Immunity by Cell Press, may lead to a new understanding of the best way to help protect those exposed to potentially lethal viruses, such as the rabies virus.
The immune system has two main branches, innate immunity and adaptive immunity. Innate immunity is a first line of defense that relies on cells and mechanisms that provide non-specific immunity. The more sophisticated adaptive immunity, which counts antibody-producing B cells as part of its arsenal, is thought to play a major role in the specific response to viral infections in mammals. However, adaptive immune responses require time to become fully mobilized.
"Mice infected with vesicular stomatitis virus (VSV) can suffer fatal invasion of the central nervous system even when they have a high concentration of anti-VSV antibodies in their system," explains senior study author, Dr. Ulrich H. von Andrian, from Harvard Medical School. "This observation led us to revisit the contribution of adaptive immune responses to survival following VSV infection."
The research team studied VSV infection in mice that had B cells but did not produce antibodies. Unexpectedly, although the B cells themselves were essential, survival after VSV exposure did not require antibodies or other aspects of traditional adaptive immunity."We determined that the B cells produced a chemical needed to maintain innate immune cells called macrophages. The macrophages produced type I interferons, which were required to prevent fatal VSV invasion," says co-author Dr. Matteo Iannacone.
Taken together, the results show that the essential role of B cells against VSV does not require adaptive mechanisms, but is instead directly linked with the innate immune system. "Our findings contradict the current view that antibodies are absolutely required to survive infection with viruses like VSV, and establish an unexpected function for B cells as custodians of macrophages in antiviral immunity," concludes Dr. von Andrian. "It will be important to further dissect the role of antibodies and interferons in immunity against similar viruses that attack the nervous system, such as rabies, West Nile virus, and Encephalitis."



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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:09 PM

look, just don't vaccinate your kids and then tell them your beliefs when they get the mumps later in life.


What makes you think they are going to get the mumps later in life?

The government told you so?

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:11 PM

What makes you think they are going to get the mumps later in life?

The government told you so?

Of course they are unlikely to get mumps. You know why? Everyone else is vaccinated.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:14 PM

look, just don't vaccinate your kids and then tell them your beliefs when they get the mumps later in life.


You're trying to start an argument with someone who says the WTC was demo'd and the Apollo 11 landing was a hoax. Best to just let this one slide into obscurity.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:24 PM

I thank everyday the fine scientists in the pharmaceutical community for my restless-leg syndrome vaccine.

It has been two months and my leg hasn't moved at all!!!

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:26 PM

What makes you think they are going to get the mumps later in life?

The government told you so?


A pretty snide remark when you are only saying what you are saying because a couple of internet articles told you so. Don't trust the GOVERNMENT, instead trust whoever says the OPPOSITE of the official story is your motto. Is there a conspiracy theory you don't believe in? I challenge you to name a couple.

But no its not the government. Take polio for example... its still in living memory. The worst outbreaks in north american history were in the 50s, and sanitation standards etc had long been adequate. Its only after the vaccine came out that polio went down. Anyone who was alive in that era can tell you about polio, and what it meant when they no longer had to fear it.

I suppose you think that smallpox just dies out on its own eh? You'll say living standards, and yet we eradicated in places that had no such standards.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:26 PM

Of course they are unlikely to get mumps. You know why? Everyone else is vaccinated.


Yet a Doctor from Harvard is saying otherwise.

Believe him or the Government / Big Pharma where profits are to be made?

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:26 PM

Well I guess Doctors from Harvard are clearly just a bunch of crack pot, tin foil hatters.

The doctors clearly aren't, but the same cannot be said about the people who mis-interpret the research.

The research itself never tested the effect of vaccine, and never once suggested that vaccines are not effective, and the results doesn't say anything about efficiency of vaccine. All the research says is that in the absence of antibodies, whether naturally produced or induced by vaccines, mice are able to survive one type of viral infection.

Does the article says that the innate immune system is more effective than the adaptive/antibody system? No.
Does the article says that antibodies are useless? No.
Does the article say that the innate immune system is sufficient for ALL infections? No.
Does the article say this research applies to human? No.
The list can go on...

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:26 PM

Of course they are unlikely to get mumps. You know why? Everyone else is vaccinated.


Then how do you explain a measles outbreak at a school in the US where 100% of the students were vaccinated?

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:29 PM

You're trying to start an argument with someone who says the WTC was demo'd and the Apollo 11 landing was a hoax. Best to just let this one slide into obscurity.


I know... its a compulsion I can't help it. Its also a karma debt since I used to believe lots of that crap (never the vaccinations though). Especially with something like this, where actual lives could be effected if someone believes his BS, he needs to be checked. I'll never change his mind (and I believe its literally impossible to do so, for reasons I won't get into). But if one person is persuaded from going down his dark depressed mental path then its worth it.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:31 PM

The article you cited is extremely biased, and made a number of assertions that is not support by the research itself. I suggests that you at least read up on the neutral report on the research, if not the research itself:

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Clearly anything that doesn't support the idea that vaccines are simply made to keep you sick and poor (and who knows what else, tagged?) is simply being back by the evil power behind the new world order..........

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:32 PM

Then how do you explain a measles outbreak at a school in the US where 100% of the students were vaccinated?

100%? Please. Keep throwing out incorrect numbers. And vaccines are 95% effective, not 100%. Outbreaks in largely vaccinated populations begin in pockets of non-vaccinated individuals.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:32 PM

Yet a Doctor from Harvard is saying otherwise.

Believe him or the Government / Big Pharma where profits are to be made?


smallpox has been eradicated, so have numerous other diseases. No more money to be made there is there?

Never mind that the vast majority of doctors will disagree with him too, the fact that a single (and probably a few more) doctor beleives this is somehow convincing to you. The other hundreds of thousands of doctors don't weigh at all in your mind. Its the GOVERNMENT.

I can also find you a doctor that says there is no such thing as aids... he was big a decade ago. I suppose he is also automagically right because the GOVERNMENT says somethign different.

When in doubt, believe the exact opposite of the official story!

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:36 PM

The doctors clearly aren't, but the same cannot be said about the people who mis-interpret the research.

The research itself never tested the effect of vaccine, and never once suggested that vaccines are not effective, and the results doesn't say anything about efficiency of vaccine. All the research says is that in the absence of antibodies, whether naturally produced or induced by vaccines, mice are able to survive one type of viral infection.

Does the article says that the innate immune system is more effective than the adaptive/antibody system? No.
Does the article says that antibodies are useless? No.
Does the article say that the innate immune system is sufficient for ALL infections? No.
Does the article say this research applies to human? No.
The list can go on...


Bingo. The problem here is the inability of people to synthesize scientific research. They simply hear a sweeping conclusion that somebody with an agenda draws from a single, specific study and think to themselves "well a scientist at Harvard is saying this, so it must be true". The fact is that a scientist from Harvard is not saying this. The Harvard researcher is saying one thing. A number of people who have read the research are saying another. If you want to cite research to make an argument, don't misrepresent the research. It makes you look bad.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:38 PM

A pretty snide remark when you are only saying what you are saying because a couple of internet articles told you so. Don't trust the GOVERNMENT, instead trust whoever says the OPPOSITE of the official story is your motto. Is there a conspiracy theory you don't believe in? I challenge you to name a couple.

But no its not the government. Take polio for example... its still in living memory. The worst outbreaks in north american history were in the 50s, and sanitation standards etc had long been adequate. Its only after the vaccine came out that polio went down. Anyone who was alive in that era can tell you about polio, and what it meant when they no longer had to fear it.

I suppose you think that smallpox just dies out on its own eh? You'll say living standards, and yet we eradicated in places that had no such standards.


Snide remark...cute from the guy who depends on labeling people as his primary argument.

Yeah, it's just an article based conclusive scientific research.

I guess what I'm really saying is that I will take information and think critically about it as opposed to reacting in a conditioned manner without thinking critically at all.

And interesting you mention Polio, I also remember reading about how Polio vaccines were given by the UNICEF to certain nations and they were laced with sterilization agents.

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