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#31 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 06:43 PM

Disagree with you.

I'd say Howden is equal to or greater than Raymond.


Yeah that's exactly what I said, see

Raymond = or < Howden


I was just asking him why he thinks it's so bad.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 06:55 PM

Yeah that's exactly what I said, see



I was just asking him why he thinks it's so bad.


Ah.

I see it now.

You're saying Raymond is LESS THAN (<) Howden.

Thought you were saying Howden is Less than Raymond.

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#33 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 06:58 PM

Ah.

I see it now.

You're saying Raymond is LESS THAN (<) Howden.

Thought you were saying Howden is Less than Raymond.


No no, Raymond < Howden haha.

I didn't think all that much of Howden as a prospect, other than he is a fast skater, and a good two-way player. Maybe a good 2nd/3rd line winger.

But now that he scored 40 goals this year I could see him as a legit top 6 forward. Hopefully we get him.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 07:01 PM

No no, Raymond < Howden haha.

I didn't think all that much of Howden as a prospect, other than he is a fast skater, and a good two-way player. Maybe a good 2nd/3rd line winger.

But now that he scored 40 goals this year I could see him as a legit top 6 forward. Hopefully we get him.


Agreed, we don't need rookie centers anymore, we need a winger.

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#35 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 07:03 PM

Agreed, we don't need rookie centers anymore, we need a winger.


Yeah exactly.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 07:06 PM

Agreed, we don't need rookie centers anymore, we need a winger.


Like Nick Bjugstad.
Can play all 3 forward positions. Very versatile.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 08:02 PM

What? are you saying he isn't worth Howden or he is worth more?


Hmmm let's see, we have a player who has done hardly anything offensively on the second line (25 goals in last 125 games), versus a 20 year old first round pick who had 65 points in 50 games last year, and plays a power forward role. I wonder who is worth more. :picard:

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 08:04 PM

Hmmm let's see, we have a player who has done hardly anything offensively on the second line (25 goals in last 125 games), versus a 20 year old first round pick who had 65 points in 50 games last year, and plays a power forward role. I wonder who is worth more. :picard:


Yeah I said Howden is worth more??

:picard: :picard: :picard: Your not arguing with anything, why did you even make that post.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 08:07 PM

Yeah I said Howden is worth more??

:picard: :picard: :picard: Your not arguing with anything, why did you even make that post.

Raymond = or < Howden



You said equal or more, there is no way in hell those payers could have equal value.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 08:11 PM

You said equal or more, there is no way in hell those payers could have equal value.


Ya Howden is Equal to or Greater than Raymond.

And people act like Raymond is worth nothing. I agree Howden is worth more but Raymond is still a decent player.

I look at his situation the same way I look at Higgins situation, it's not different but Raymond's value is higher now than Higgins was before.

And really if your getting riled up about saying equal too or greater than, rather than greater than. Then you should probably find better posts to flame Imo. It's not that big of a deal.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 09:12 PM

Swap Howden for Huberdeau and i'm all in on this one.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 09:46 PM

Ya Howden is Equal to or Greater than Raymond.

And people act like Raymond is worth nothing. I agree Howden is worth more but Raymond is still a decent player.

I look at his situation the same way I look at Higgins situation, it's not different but Raymond's value is higher now than Higgins was before.

And really if your getting riled up about saying equal too or greater than, rather than greater than. Then you should probably find better posts to flame Imo. It's not that big of a deal.


I'm not saying that Raymond is worth nothing, i'm just sayin that there's no way he could be equal to Howden, but lets just forget about this and move on cause it's going no where.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 09:49 PM

I'm not saying that Raymond is worth nothing, i'm just sayin that there's no way he could be equal to Howden, but lets just forget about this and move on cause it's going no where.


I agree with everything you said, no hard feelings.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 09:51 PM

Swap Howden for Huberdeau and i'm all in on this one.

I bet you would, too bad Dale Tallon isn't a Canucks fan.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 10:04 PM

I bet you would, too bad Dale Tallon isn't a Canucks fan.


Haha- loved that reply!
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 10:49 PM

I bet you would, too bad Dale Tallon isn't a Canucks fan.


Sometimes you say bad things and sometimes you say good things.

On this occasion a good thing.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 02:42 AM

I'd take the OP\s deal. We get better and I feel it's pretty much fair value.
What is the deal with Mike Gillis, it always seems like he's sweating...

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 05:50 AM

i think we need to develop Zack Kassian and Jordan Schroeder. We can't use young players like this as spare parts for 5 min per game.

Kassian will need to play on the third line to get some ice time and Schroeder needs an audition as a playmaking center. I know we want to win right now but if we exercise a little patience we can also develop for the future.

This way when the Sedins are no longer able to get 80 points , we have some other players ready to contribute . Asking Kesler and Booth to do it is asking too much from a contender.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:14 AM

if we put shroeder in the deal as well.What player would we add on the florida side?

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 01:57 PM

I'm not saying that Raymond is worth nothing, i'm just sayin that there's no way he could be equal to Howden, but lets just forget about this and move on cause it's going no where.


I don't understand how so many people can rate a prospect who has never played in the NHL as better than a guy who is almost .5 ppg in 328 NHL games. Howden might turn into a legit nhler but Raymond already is. He may not be perfect but IMO is a whole lot more certain than any prospect other than a few exceptions like Yakupov, Huberdeau etc.

Back to the topic I like Mathias and think he would be a good guy to have on our 3rd but I feel that Gillis all ready has been given offers like this and is holding out for the moon and the stars, If he was desperate as some has suggested I think the deal would of been made by now.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 03:46 PM

I think the problem right now is that MG wants two pieces from FLA, but they'll only give one. The pieces being:

- Matthias
- Gudbranson
- Bjustad
- Howden
- Maybe a 1st rounder



Right now it looks like FLA has most of the leverage... it'll be tough to get two of those pieces in a deal.

And adding Raymond doesn't help... he has as close to no value as possible.

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