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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:55 PM

Defenseman Dmitry Kulikov isn't at camp as he remains an unsigned restricted free agent. Kulikov went to Russia to play for Yaroslavl Lokamotiv, his childhood team, and is reportedly still in his hometown.


Dale Tallon didn't speak to the media on Sunday but said Thursday that he was speaking to Kulikov's agent on a daily basis.


http://miamiherald.t...ondays-sch.html

The Florida Panthers and Dmitry Kulikov are still far apart on a contract extension.
That’s the word out of Sunrise on Tuesday as assistant GM Mike Santos told the Sun Sentinel the club isn’t close to a deal with the RFA defenseman, adding he hasn’t talked to Kulikov’s agent in 48 hours.

It should be noted that, because the Panthers tendered him a qualifying offer, Kulikov is still a restricted free agent. That means teams can submit an offer sheet to him at any time.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:56 PM

PLEASE GMMG PLEASE PLEASE ONE OF MY FAVOURITE GUYS COME ON PLEASE
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:56 PM

Oops. Lost my cool.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:59 PM

Are his RFA rights available to be traded? Or could he only be acquired now by a sign-and-trade or offer sheet? Either way, I think that he is a heck of a young player and would love for the Canucks to at least ask about this guy. Reminds me of a younger Edler.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:59 PM

Last year's stats: 4 goals, 28 points, -5 in 58 games. (Pace for 40 points/82 games)

This year's stats: 3 goals, 6 points in 22 KHL games. (As a comparison, the leading offensive defenseman on the team has 18 points, 44 games)
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:00 AM

Left handed. 22. 6'1, 196 pounds.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:01 AM

Makes me wonder how much $$ he's asking for.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:01 AM

No thanks. I want players that wanna play in the NHL, not ones that will only come here if the money is better.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:03 AM

intersting..
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:04 AM

No thanks. I want players that wanna play in the NHL, not ones that will only come here if the money is better.


Oh. Like that time Kulikov paid to buy himself out of a contract to come to America of the North as a 18 year old (well, he was already here, but to play in the NHL)? How do you know it's about money. He isn't playing in the KHL anymore, he just hasn't flown over here yet. Jamie Benn hasn't signed either, what would you say about him?

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:07 AM

Makes me wonder how much $$ he's asking for.


Wonder if it has to do more about the team. Garrison is gone. Gudbranson is hurt. They have no offensive power, Kovy, Svatos and even Kostitsyn were invited to camp out of desperation... Lots of pressure for a 22 year old, does he want to sign a multi year contract on a team that is currently not-so hot??
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:11 AM

Oh. Like that time Kulikov paid to buy himself out of a contract to come to America of the North as a 18 year old (well, he was already here, but to play in the NHL)? How do you know it's about money. He isn't playing in the KHL anymore, he just hasn't flown over here yet. Jamie Benn hasn't signed either, what would you say about him?


Somehow I don't see Benn going over to Russia and playing.

I didn't say I blamed the guy. Why wouldn't you wanna play for your home town team? Especially if they're willing to give him lots of incentives to stay there.

It's just a scary thought to have a player that can basically bolt on you any time they feel like it.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:13 AM

Maybe be garrisons partner? Move Edler with Ballard and Hamhuis with bieksa.

Kulikov, bjugstad and shore for luongo Sauve and a pick
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:13 AM



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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:14 AM

Somehow I don't see Benn going over to Russia and playing.

I didn't say I blamed the guy. Why wouldn't you wanna play for your home town team? Especially if they're willing to give him lots of incentives to stay there.

It's just a scary thought to have a player that can basically bolt on you any time they feel like it.


So anyone then?? Anyone can leave if they feel like it. Kulikov only left because of the lock out, isn't playing for his KHL team anymore and is waiting for a contract before he buys a flight to North America.. not too strange to me.

Kulikov is outstanding and I would love to see him in Vancouver.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:16 AM

Somehow I don't see Benn going over to Russia and playing.

I didn't say I blamed the guy. Why wouldn't you wanna play for your home town team? Especially if they're willing to give him lots of incentives to stay there.

It's just a scary thought to have a player that can basically bolt on you any time they feel like it.


I agree, I'm always hesitant about Russian players now since they have the KHL now. Like you said, who wouldn't want to get paid more and play for your home town?

However, I believe Kulikov is pretty Westernized, he played in the QMJHL and has played for Florida the last 3 years. I like him because his stats have improved every year for the last three years, and his defensive awareness has also improved. Keep in mind that while Florida has been pretty bad the last 3 years(had a decent year last year) and is only a -15 in that timeframe (-5,-5,-5). Not bad for a 22 year old kid playing on a team that generally comes 10-15th in their conference.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:19 AM

Maybe be garrisons partner? Move Edler with Ballard and Hamhuis with bieksa.

Kulikov, bjugstad and shore for luongo Sauve and a pick


Depending, maybe Ballard would also be moved along with Luongo if Kulikov was brought in. Anyway, it's all a pipedream, but I'll go with it anyway

Luongo
Raymond

for

Kulikov
Shore
Theodore

and then

Ballard to Dallas for a 4th or so

Edler - Garrison
Hamhuis - Bieksa
Kulikov - Vandermeer

No pressure on the young guy, room to develop, surrounded by skill, but capacity/ability to move up if called upon..
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:19 AM

Maybe be garrisons partner? Move Edler with Ballard and Hamhuis with bieksa.

Kulikov, bjugstad and shore for luongo Sauve and a pick


I'll give it a go:

Edler+Raymond

for

Kulikov+Bjugstad

Doubt Florida accepts, maybe if Edler is signed to a long-term deal. Considering Kulikov's upside (same as Edler IMO) and the fact that we get a blue-chipper in Bjugstad, I think this would be a sweet deal for the Canucks.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:21 AM

So anyone then?? Anyone can leave if they feel like it. Kulikov only left because of the lock out, isn't playing for his KHL team anymore and is waiting for a contract before he buys a flight to North America.. not too strange to me.

Kulikov is outstanding and I would love to see him in Vancouver.


No, Russians are more likely to leave because the KHL will offer the top players competitive salaries to stay over there.

Those guys are treated like gods everywhere they go over there.

Ovechkin said it himself. If the NHL was going to cut back his salary any more than they did, he would have rather just stayed in Russia with his family and friends.

And of course I would want him here. If he wanted to be here long term.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:24 AM

No, Russians are more likely to leave because the KHL will offer the top players competitive salaries to stay over there.

Those guys are treated like gods everywhere they go over there.

Ovechkin said it himself. If the NHL was going to cut back his salary any more than they did, he would have rather just stayed in Russia with his family and friends.

And of course I would want him here. If he wanted to be here long term.


Well, I think all signs point to him wanting to stay in NA besides the "ov" at the end of his name.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:33 AM

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 01:04 AM

He's 22 and already has over 200 games of NHL experience.

"Because his base salary of $810,000 — total salary of $900,000 minus signing bonus of $90,000 — is greater than $660,000 and less than $1,000,000, it is increased by 5 percent for the purposes of his qualifying offer."

A qualifying offer of $850k surely wasn't going to get it done.

I wouldn't be too quick to chalk this up to Kulikov (or being Russian) - the Panthers are a budget franchise... it's not hard to see some difficulty coming to terms.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 01:17 AM

Big loss to the Panthers.

Pay the man.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 01:34 AM

I could see the Panthers wanting to dump some salary on us in order to afford Kulikov's raise and Luongo.

Florida obviously has an internal cap, so they may need to make a trade just to reach it. I can't see them spending another 9-10 million on salary, not when they're already well over the cap floor.

Candidates:

Versteeg
Upshall
Jovanovski

Unlikelies:

Campbell
Weiss
Fleischmann
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 01:53 AM

I could see the Panthers wanting to dump some salary on us in order to afford Kulikov's raise and Luongo.

Florida obviously has an internal cap, so they may need to make a trade just to reach it. I can't see them spending another 9-10 million on salary, not when they're already well over the cap floor.

Candidates:

Versteeg
Upshall
Jovanovski


Unlikelies:

Campbell
Weiss
Fleischmann


These two in particular I think. Versteeg is still a productive winger and is young, doubt they will want to move him. Jovocop, while making over 4m for the next few seasons, is still a fan favourite in Florida, and I'm not sure if he has a no trade clause or not, but at this point of his career I doubt he wants to move.

That leaves us with Upshall. Firstly, I'd like to say that I believe Upshall is a good third line player, but he is simply not worth his 3.5m price tag. On this note, I believe that he would be a perfect player coming back to Vancouver in a Luongo trade. The Canucks could then proceed to buy him out, or, if there's room, keep him as depth for a long playoff run.

Something like this wouldn't be too far out of the realm of possibility:

Luongo

for

Gubranson+Upshall

I think this trade benefits both teams. While we give up Luongo, we also get one of the top d prospects in the league back. Gubranson has huge potential, and can either play bottom pairing for us now or play big minutes in the AHL. Florida might be willing to do this since they get a fan favourite back in Lu, lose Upshall's nasty contract, and they have enough prospect depth to trade Gubranson (Petrovic, Ellerby, Kulikov). Florida also sheds about 1m in cap in this deal, maybe enough to sign Kulikov to a long term deal of around 4m/year?

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 04:53 AM

Somehow I don't see Benn going over to Russia and playing.

I didn't say I blamed the guy. Why wouldn't you wanna play for your home town team? Especially if they're willing to give him lots of incentives to stay there.

It's just a scary thought to have a player that can basically bolt on you any time they feel like it.


I'm sick of hearing about this dislike towards Russians for "bolting" to the KHL. It's rediculous. No one just ups and goes off to play in the KHL if they're signed and have a contract with an NHL team, and not many players prefer a KHL contract over an NHL contract. The only guy that comes to mind is Radulov - that's it.

The lockout and difficulty communicating in such a short window is why free agents are still in Russia playing in the KHL, not because they'd rather be there than playing for the Stanley Cup. Don't blame the player, blame the league for locking out its players. It's unrealistic to expect a free agent to sign within a few days of the lockout being lifted anyway.

As for Kulikov, he is one skilled defenceman who would boost any team's defence and will be signed eventually.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 07:27 AM

Maybe be garrisons partner? Move Edler with Ballard and Hamhuis with bieksa.

Kulikov, bjugstad and shore for luongo Sauve and a pick


Dale Tallon LOLs and puts the phone down.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 08:10 AM

He's 22 and already has over 200 games of NHL experience.

"Because his base salary of $810,000 — total salary of $900,000 minus signing bonus of $90,000 — is greater than $660,000 and less than $1,000,000, it is increased by 5 percent for the purposes of his qualifying offer."

A qualifying offer of $850k surely wasn't going to get it done.

I wouldn't be too quick to chalk this up to Kulikov (or being Russian) - the Panthers are a budget franchise... it's not hard to see some difficulty coming to terms.


Exactly and signing long term with a 'budget' franchise probably isn't that appealing if you want a good chance at winning the cup every year. How many rounds of playoffs has Florida seen in the last 7 years?? And they're looking like they'll miss them again this year unless Huberdeau is a miracle worker.

So, maybe Tallon wants him on a 4-6 year deal and Kulikov wants a 2-3 year deal, so he can see his options again soon. I wouldn't blame him.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 08:11 AM

However, TFP (reliable??) posted this this morning:

The native of Lipetsk, Russia, is believed to be looking for a long-term deal worth in the neighborhood of $3 million per season after his three-year, entry-level contract expired this past summer.


Edit: 3 million is totally fair for a defenseman who was on pace for 40 points last year and is a solid checker. Edler got 3.25 after a 37 season, factor in Edler was on a better team and that there's been inflation, Kulikov would be getting 3.6-3.8 on a 4 year deal on the open market no questions asked, if he's asking for 3-3.5, Tallon should be hopping on that quick.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 08:25 AM

Definitely would be a nice player to have.

David Pagnotta@TheFourthPeriod
Here's a look at the Top 5 Unsigned Restricted Free Agents... could any sign this weekend? http://www.thefourth...x.html …

in the link he gives some comparables for Kulikov's next contract:

ERIK JOHNSON
4-years, $15 million

LUKE SCHENN
5-years, $18 million

JOHNNY BOYCHUK
3-years, $10.1 million


So right around 3.5, which I would think is right on the money over a 2-4 year deal.

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