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Posted 08 February 2013 - 03:46 PM

Yes ,act repentant shed a few tears and everything will be alright.

That is how one purges a contempt citation.

Ms. Soto was accompanied at the counsel table by her family. Her mother looked absolutely mortified by her daughter's behaviour. The serious nature and potential consequences of her actions seem to have been brought home to her.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 03:54 PM

That is how one purges a contempt citation.

Ms. Soto was accompanied at the counsel table by her family. Her mother looked absolutely mortified by her daughter's behaviour. The serious nature and potential consequences of her actions seem to have been brought home to her.

Here is the video:
http://miami.cbsloca...izes-in-person/


Looks like the judge accomplished exactly what he set out to do. Bravo!!!


(I best be careful how I agree with you from now on, WC....people complain, apparently! :lol:)

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 03:58 PM

That is how one purges a contempt citation.

Ms. Soto was accompanied at the counsel table by her family. Her mother looked absolutely mortified by her daughter's behaviour. The serious nature and potential consequences of her actions seem to have been brought home to her.

Here is the video:
http://miami.cbsloca...izes-in-person/


I believe it takes more integrity to be honest with myself and others ,rather put on some fake tears and lie to the judge , which is a form of contempt .

So essentialy she has been rewarded for lying , because i do not believe she feels repentant for her actions, she just wants to avoid going to jail.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:20 PM

Looks like the judge accomplished exactly what he set out to do. Bravo!!!


(I best be careful how I agree with you from now on, WC....people complain, apparently! :lol:)

What can I say...

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:23 PM

I believe it takes more integrity to be honest with myself and others ,rather put on some fake tears and lie to the judge , which is a form of contempt .

So essentialy she has been rewarded for lying , because i do not believe she feels repentant for her actions, she just wants to avoid going to jail.

I disagree.

Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterward.

As I opined when this whole incident began...
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:25 PM

I for one hope this boob of a judge isn't behind the bench very much longer. He's had issues with his temper before, I don't understand how that isn't a factor in this case.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:28 PM

I disagree.

Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterward.

As I opined when this whole incident began...
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She has learned that lieing in court will help prevent you spending time in gaol.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:33 PM

I for one hope this boob of a judge isn't behind the bench very much longer. He's had issues with his temper before, I don't understand how that isn't a factor in this case.

You do not appear to understand any number of things (including facts and the law/legal principles), despite them being explained in detail to you based on your past CDC history.

The judge IMHO did a fine job in handling Ms. Soto. Hopefully she carries the lesson with her for the rest of her life. She will have no record if she completes her drug rehab program. In that case consider it a success for the "Scared Straight" program of attitude adjustment.

The judge's term does not expire until 2016 as I understand it at which time he will be 71.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:36 PM

She has learned that lieing in court will help prevent you spending time in gaol.

I view it differently based upon my decades of interviewing, interrogating and examining of suspects, witnesses, plaintiffs and defendants. Seemed genuine to me. YMMV.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:39 PM

You do not appear to understand any number of things (including facts and the law/legal principles), despite them being explained in detail to you based on your past CDC history.

The judge IMHO did a fine job in handling Ms. Soto. Hopefully she carries the lesson with her for the rest of her life. She will have no record if she completes her drug rehab program. In that case consider it a success for the "Scared Straight" program of attitude adjustment.

The judge's term does not expire until 2016 as I understand it at which time he will be 71.


Well that's your opinion, I don't share it. You are blind to the mitigating circumstances here. The guy has a track record of losing his temper, he has been called "unqualified" by 47% of his colleagues, and he quite obviously had an attitude on the day in question. Save your lectures on laws and statutes for somebody else. He had as bad an attitude as she did, and because HE was the one with the power, that attitude is acceptable? What a load of horse crap. You can go blow that smoke up someone else's ass.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:43 PM

Well that's your opinion, I don't share it. You are blind to the mitigating circumstances here. The guy has a track record of losing his temper, he has been called "unqualified" by 47% of his colleagues, and he quite obviously had an attitude on the day in question. Save your lectures on laws and statutes for somebody else. He had as bad an attitude as she did, and because HE was the one with the power, that attitude is acceptable? What a load of horse crap. You can go blow that smoke up someone else's ass.

Not a smoker.

Again being informed on such things (as I am) seems to be proved by this thread, eh?

With great power comes great responsibility (Stan Lee by way of Voltaire) and in this case it was exercised to great effect.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:45 PM

Not a smoker.

Again being informed on such things (as I am) seems to be proved by this thread, eh?

With great power comes great responsibility (Stan Lee by way of Voltaire) and in this case it was exercised to great effect.


Wrong. In this case it was ABUSED. Try looking at a situation from someone else's perspective for a change instead of your usual trite rote boring lawyer perspective and then you may understand that. Again...save it for somebody else.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:48 PM

Wrong. In this case it was ABUSED. Try looking at a situation from someone else's perspective for a change instead of your usual trite rote boring lawyer perspective and then you may understand that. Again...save it for somebody else.

Seems not.

And it appears to have had a salutary effect on Ms. Soto.

Understanding does not appear to be an issue for me in respect of this incident.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:49 PM

I view it differently based upon my decades of interviewing, interrogating and examining of suspects, witnesses, plaintiffs and defendants. Seemed genuine to me. YMMV.


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME !

If you believe that she really was repentant for her actions then your credibilty is suspect

It is obvious that her fear of going to gaol was stronger than her desire to continue pissing off the judge , logic indicates she was instructed by her lawyers and parents to act in a repentant manner.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:53 PM

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME !

If you believe that she really was repentant for her actions then your credibilty is suspect

It is obvious that her fear of going to gaol was stronger than her desire to continue pissing off the judge , logic indicates she was instructed by her lawyers and parents to act in a repentant manner.

Why would I kid you?

It may be obvious to you, it is not so to me and I have had the advantage of many years of experience in such matters.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:58 PM

Which proves absolutely nothing. Your "advantage" of knowledge and experience as it pertains to this matter is clouded by the fact that you have only seen it from one point of view. You lack the ability to see this situation from the point of view of the defendant, and thus you cannot possibly understand the corruption and lack of professionalism that infests the US justice system. Until you've been a defendant...you've walked a mile in THEIR shoes..and view this type of thing from their perspective..your opinion is one-sided, and should be taken with a grain of salt.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:00 PM

Man give it up... Your opinion is what he says it is. Black and white. No grey.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:01 PM

Which proves absolutely nothing. Your "advantage" of knowledge and experience as it pertains to this matter is clouded by the fact that you have only seen it from one point of view. You lack the ability to see this situation from the point of view of the defendant, and thus you cannot possibly understand the corruption and lack of professionalism that infests the US justice system. Until you've been a defendant...you've walked a mile in THEIR shoes..and view this type of thing from their perspective..your opinion is one-sided, and should be taken with a grain of salt.


To be fair, though.....that works both ways....... on the side of the law, too :)

Until .you've walked a mile in THEIR shoes..and view this type of thing from their perspective..your opinion is one-sided, and should be taken with a grain of salt...........both ways, it works both ways :)

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:02 PM

Which proves absolutely nothing. Your "advantage" of knowledge as it pertains to this matter is clouded by the fact that you have only seen it from one point of view. You lack the ability to see this situation from the point of view of the defendant, and thus you cannot possibly understand the corruption and lack of professionalism that infests the US justice system. Until you've been a defendant...you've walked a mile in THEIR shoes..and view this type of thing from their perspective..your opinion is one-sided, and should be taken with a grain of salt.

I have no problem seeing from multiple points of view - unlike yourself judging by the content of your rants and clear misapprehension of fact. law and legal principles.

It has apparently escaped your notice that the situation played out pretty much the way I set it out.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:02 PM

Can't wait to see who else is going to be victim to this judge's political theatre.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:03 PM

Man give it up... Your opinion is what he says it is. Black and white. No grey.

Facts are facts and the law and legal principles at issue were clear from the get go.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:04 PM

Can't wait to see who else is going to be victim to this judge's political theatre.

This was a legal matter dealt with under the applicable law and legal principles.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:05 PM

To be fair, though.....that works both ways.......perhaps one should also have to walk in the shoes of those on the law side. :)


I was merely inferring that a "black and white" view of the world is very debilitating, especially in situations like this. By the letter...by the book...trite, boring, dull....if you can't see any other colors how can you ever expect to see a rainbow? ;)
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:07 PM

I have no problem seeing from multiple points of view - unlike yourself judging by the content of your rants and clear misapprehension of fact. law and legal principles.

It has apparently escaped your notice that the situation played out pretty much the way I set it out.


It's apparently escaped your notice that LAW IS IMPERFECT. Get that through your head first and then we can have a civil discussion on this.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:10 PM

You think all jails are full of murderers and rapists and hard core gang bangers? There are varying degrees of prison you know...


In places like Florida they are, and in that kind of situation what ends up happening is that a lot of dangerous predators end up being busted for minor crimes and end up in with the truely nonviolent offenders.

Also, women's detention facilitiess usually aren't as large as the men's so they tend to just place people whereever.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:13 PM

"I have no problems seeing from multiple points of view" Yet you refuse to address this judge's history of temper issues, his being called incompetent, and my god are you blind if you didn't notice he had a chip on his shoulder when the entire situation started. The video of this incident doesn't lie...the guy very clearly has an attitude.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:13 PM

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME !

If you believe that she really was repentant for her actions then your credibilty is suspect

It is obvious that her fear of going to gaol was stronger than her desire to continue pissing off the judge , logic indicates she was instructed by her lawyers and parents to act in a repentant manner.


She may not be truly sorry for her actions but she sure as hell learned not to frack around in a court room. It was a great success, IMO.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:13 PM

Facts are facts and the law and legal principles at issue were clear from the get go.


There is more to the world than legal principles and law .
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:14 PM

Why would I kid you?

It may be obvious to you, it is not so to me and I have had the advantage of many years of experience in such matters.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:15 PM

This was a legal matter dealt with under the applicable law and legal principles.

And you use "legal principles" loosely. I don't see many principles here, other than going so far to be a douche and wasting the time of two more court/bail hearings to un-do this judge's stupidity.. over nothing. Much theatre with no consideration of a backlogged court system, or crowded jails, due to ego. If this backfires and causes "adios, judge" to be a fad as ronthecivil explained earlier, it would be much better justice and teach this judge (who is in dire need of) a lesson.

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