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#1 nitronuts

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 12:22 PM

Great read, couldn't agree more. It would make sense considering we are part of the frontier of the country and the 3rd most populated province. The nearest army base is all the way in Edmonton, not exactly close by:

http://www.vancitybu...-c-has-no-army/


And with the recent Kitsilano Coast Guard base closure in Vancouver, the federal government claimed it was all about money - to save $700,000 - even though it makes all the sense to keep it open considering it's the busiest Coast Guard base in the country, plus we have the country's busiest and largest port and harbour.

Two days after the sudden closure, in the same week, they announce a new $6.6-million Coast Guard base for a fishing village of 2,500 people in Newfoundland. How exactly is this about money again?

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 12:29 PM

More great decisions by the Feds.
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 12:55 PM

I guess they figure this region will be under Chinese control before long anyway, I wonder when we get our first PLA facility?
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 01:03 PM

I guess they figure this region will be under Chinese control before long anyway, I wonder when we get our first PLA facility?

How does that have anything to do with the issue under discussion? Quite bizarre reasoning.

Besides In the event of a public emergency being declared due a natural disaster Canadian Forces can be deployed from outside BC and there is also an agreement with the US to allow for American personnel to assist and vice versa.
http://www.dhs.gov/x...-mechanisms.pdf
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:19 PM

How does that have anything to do with the issue under discussion? Quite bizarre reasoning.

Besides In the event of a public emergency being declared due a natural disaster Canadian Forces can be deployed from outside BC and there is also an agreement with the US to allow for American personnel to assist and vice versa.
http://www.dhs.gov/x...-mechanisms.pdf


I was half jokingly referring to B.C.'s impending status as a Special Economic Zone, and as such, primary disaster response would be the PLA's and not the CF's problem.
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:24 PM

I was half jokingly referring to B.C.'s impending status as a Special Economic Zone, and as such, primary disaster response would be the PLA's and not the CF's problem.

Do you have a reputable link setting out this policy for "B.C.'s impending status as a Special Economic Zone"?
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:28 PM

my dad was in the military for 25+ years, and he was posted to CFB Chilliwack just before it got shut down.. I still think that was a dumb move by the gov't
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:31 PM

Do you have a reputable link setting out this policy for "B.C.'s impending status as a Special Economic Zone"?


I am sorry Comrade, my CPC security clearance is not sufficient!

However there is a thing called "personal observation" not just in the local context but elsewhere where so-called demographic invasion is evident, China's takeover of Siberia being one example.
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:55 PM

fudning exponentially greater for nwefoundland is outrageous but b.c. can handle disasters without army with just blue cross or other agencies well so its not wrong to cut back spending on that
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 05:18 PM

There are like dozens of reserve army bases in this province.....
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 06:01 PM

I am sorry Comrade, my CPC security clearance is not sufficient!

However there is a thing called "personal observation" not just in the local context but elsewhere where so-called demographic invasion is evident, China's takeover of Siberia being one example.

So absolutely nothing to support a silly comment yet again. Good to know.
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 08:17 PM

We have a ton of reserves in this province. My buddies are a couple of them. Superb training.
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 08:57 PM

We have a ton of reserves in this province. My buddies are a couple of them. Superb training.


yeah you dont just need army for helping hands tons of reserves and it saves our money i agree
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 08:58 PM

How does that have anything to do with the issue under discussion? Quite bizarre reasoning.

Besides In the event of a public emergency being declared due a natural disaster Canadian Forces can be deployed from outside BC and there is also an agreement with the US to allow for American personnel to assist and vice versa.
http://www.dhs.gov/x...-mechanisms.pdf


If there was a major earthquake here, presumesbly it's going to hit south of the border as well. Not sure how much help the Americans will be as they will likely have their own problems to deal with. And we all remember Katrina.
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 10:12 PM

We have a ton of reserves in this province. My buddies are a couple of them. Superb training.


Reserves are great for when war is called or when there is a "controlled" disaster like a forest fire. But with disasters when all hell breaks loose, as it will in Metro Vancouver after the Big One, the system to call upon and organize the reserves will not be intact. Most reservists will probably know they are needed, but the organization won't be there.

Again, reserves are great but they are no equivalent to the active units found at the army bases.
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 10:21 PM

We are so screwed after Cascadia goes off. Question: Will the housing market crash? Everyone talks about how expensive the houses are in Van, but something tells me people will be less willing to live here after the Big One. Those aftershocks will go on for a long, long time.

When the Big One hits, be prepared to be on your own for a few days (at least). That will be a very sad day.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 01:18 PM

my dad was in the military for 25+ years, and he was posted to CFB Chilliwack just before it got shut down.. I still think that was a dumb move by the gov't


Yes, it was a stupid strategic decision then and it's still a stupid decision now.

How does that have anything to do with the issue under discussion? Quite bizarre reasoning.

Besides In the event of a public emergency being declared due a natural disaster Canadian Forces can be deployed from outside BC and there is also an agreement with the US to allow for American personnel to assist and vice versa.
http://www.dhs.gov/x...-mechanisms.pdf


Yes, I can imagine we would all love being directed by US military and emergency personnel when and where we can move about. I can guess the public's appreciation for their assistance would tire very quickly.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 01:22 PM

Yes, I can imagine we would all love being directed by US military and emergency personnel when and where we can move about. I can guess the public's appreciation for their assistance would tire very quickly.

Not how the command structure works but you know that because you read the linked document, right?
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 01:57 PM

We have a ton of reserves in this province. My buddies are a couple of them. Superb training.

Yup
http://www.army.forc...ves-txt-eng.asp

39 Canadian Brigade Group Headquarters
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:15 PM

Oh yeah and since disaster response is primarily a matter for the province, oddly enough BC actually has an agency dedicated to such things - Emergency Management BC
http://embc.gov.bc.ca/index.htm

They have detailed plans disaster/hazard response:
http://embc.gov.bc.c...zard_plans.html

And not surprisingly a specific plan to deal with the earthquake hazard in BC:
http://embc.gov.bc.c...ans/EQ_Plan.pdf
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:26 PM

Not how the command structure works but you know that because you read the linked document, right?

Oh yeah and since disaster response is primarily a matter for the province, oddly enough BC actually has an agency dedicated to such things - Emergency Management BC
http://embc.gov.bc.ca/index.htm

They have detailed plans disaster/hazard response:
http://embc.gov.bc.c...zard_plans.html

And not surprisingly a specific plan to deal with the earthquake hazard in BC:
http://embc.gov.bc.c...ans/EQ_Plan.pdf


Where the orders are coming from and the public's reaction to US uniforms executing said orders are two different things.

As one of the key planners for UBC's emergency response system I am quite aware of the province's 'plans.' I have zero faith in their ability to translate those plans into immediate action in a serious emergency. Like in most cases, the public will be more or less on their own for the first 72 hours.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:27 PM

Where the orders are coming from and the public's reaction to US uniforms executing said orders are two different things.

As one of the key planners for UBC's emergency response system I am quite aware of the province's 'plans.' I have zero faith in their ability to translate those plans into immediate action in a serious emergency. Like in most cases, the public will be more or less on their own for the first 72 hours.

Which is why the command structure is set out.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:30 PM

Which is why the command structure is set out.


Sorry? What was the question?
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:36 PM

Sorry? What was the question?

Nice try at avoidance.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:37 PM

Nice try at avoidance.


Pardon? No need to be rude.

I was asking an honest question.
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:43 PM

Wow.


A little off direction here lol.I'd like to thank theminister, a couple uears ago we chatted about this issue. I'd like to think I was smarter on my own, but I appreciate what you bring to this discussion and can say confidently I have a multi fauceted emergency plan for my family moving forward which could enable us to be self sufficient for sometime and also allow us the resources to handle the expected and unexpected.Thanks theminister.
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