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Ever heard of the donut?

You just don't want to admit that it was the market manipulative actions of government officials that lead to the bubble in that country...

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VW stock is tanking so might want to get some as it will prob bottom out and then rise as they get through this emission problem.

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You just don't want to admit that it was the market manipulative actions of government officials that lead to the bubble in that country...

Most historians and economists disagree with you. So that's that.

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Hey you can argue against consensus if you think you are right. I'm simply stating them here.

In the markets, you can either be a contrarian or you can be a victim because the crowd is usually wrong.

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In the markets, you can either be a contrarian or you can be a victim because the crowd is usually wrong.

In history, scholar and academia consensus is generally the truth.

If you are such a contrarian, why don't you buy stocks now when everyone is expecting a recession?

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In history, scholar and academia consensus is generally the truth.

What do you expect when they operate within an echo chamber?

If you are such a contrarian, why don't you buy stocks now when everyone is expecting a recession?

Because I am expecting more than a recession.

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What do you expect when they operate within an echo chamber?

Because I am expecting more than a recession.

Not everything gets academic and scholarly consensus. There you go again, painting black and white broad strokes to everything.

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But whats the advantage to holding it physically? Short of a Mad Max scenario.

Because what makes silver valuable is its physical properties. For every ounce of physical metal available above ground, there is over 100 paper ounce contracts. For gold the ratio is around 60:1. What happens when people decide they want to take delivery and there is only so much to go around? You won't get the metal you thought you owned. Period.

Secondly, silver is money, albeit a different form than the modern currency we have today. So why not have some?

Mad max? - No.

Long term financial transitions? - Yes.

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There isn't. For all intends and purposes, you buy gold and silver for no other reason then to sell it later when and if it appreciates in value.

Define value.

Dollars?

When the price of gold goes from 500 dollars per oz to $1000, what changes?

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Define value.

Dollars?

When the price of gold goes from 500 dollars per oz to $1000, what changes?

if you bought the ounce at 500 and sell for 1000 you make 500?

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Define value.

Dollars?

When the price of gold goes from 500 dollars per oz to $1000, what changes?

Demand went up, for no reason other then people with money decided to not invest it anywhere else.

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Demand went up, for no reason other then people with money decided to not invest it anywhere else.

Fine. Demand for gold goes up and supply stays the same or doesn't increase at the rate demand does, thereby increasing the price.

This is besides the point.

$500 gold to $1000 gold - what changes, the dollars or the gold?

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Fine. Demand for gold goes up and supply stays the same or doesn't increase at the rate demand does, thereby increasing the price.

This is besides the point.

$500 gold to $1000 gold - what changes, the dollars or the gold?

The dollar relatively speaking. that's why gold is often used as a hedge against inflation.

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The dollar relatively speaking. that's why gold is often used as a hedge against inflation.

Exactly. It is more about the value of the dollars decreasing, than the value of the gold increasing. The gold doesn't change, it is what it is. It is the dollars that are volatile. (have a look at the 10 year chart of oil for fun)

This is why I asked you to define value.

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Exactly. It is more about the value of the dollars decreasing, than the value of the gold increasing. The gold doesn't change, it is what it is. It is the dollars that are volatile. (have a look at the 10 year chart of oil for fun)

This is why I asked you to define value.

But the value of the dollar can increase or decrease independent of any precious metals values.

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But the value of the dollar can increase or decrease independent of any precious metals values.

No it can't.

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Exactly. It is more about the value of the dollars decreasing, than the value of the gold increasing. The gold doesn't change, it is what it is. It is the dollars that are volatile. (have a look at the 10 year chart of oil for fun)

This is why I asked you to define value.

A dollar loses value everyday. A dollar doesn't buy what it used too 10 years ago

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