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Just now, DeNiro said:
That can also put up 50 points in the regular season? Good luck.
And Miller was not the only one to struggle offensively in the post season FYI. The whole team did, hence the 4 game sweep. Players making alot more than him too.
I agree
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1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said:
Neither would I that is why I like the Miller deal. Not a rental and a better player.
Miller is better than Hayes I agree, Winnipeg’s pick is also very likely a worse pick to give up. Our 1st rounder still has a very good potential to be a lottery pick. Time will tell if it was worth the risk.
Miller IMO is likely not the best player in the next two years we could use a 1st round pick to acquire, vs Winnipeg who was trying to win a Stanley cup and was one of the front runners to do so.
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2 minutes ago, Freeridebc said:
If we miss the playoffs we retain our pick.. if we make the play offs no one is going to like that?
The odds of us being a bottom 10 team again are low. Especially if Boeser is healthy all year and has a good off season. Hughes in the line up all year, and and, if another offensive minded d man is acquired?
I'll bet JB gets another first of high end prospect before July 1st anyway.
We don’t retain the pick, we still give them a 1st, just the next year. Either way he costs us a 1st
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Just now, oldnews said:
you've just made the term "cap dump' meaningless.
You're applying it to a player that is EASILY worth his cap hit. Tampa's tight cap situation does not make MIller a 'cap dump'
If you're determined to talk absolute nonsense, carry on. Or carry on backtracking - whatever.
Referring to Miller as a "cap dump" is contrived nonsense, and you know it.
Actually cap dump is a term when teams need to dump cap. Exactly what Tampa did. Cap dump is not for getting rid of a bad contract. There is a reason words have meaning, not my problem you have different definitions
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Just now, canuck73_3 said:
Miller>>>Hayes and Hayes cost the Jets a 1st for 2months of service and Miller has a better contract.
Winnipeg made a foolish trade. I wouldn’t follow the foolish.
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4 minutes ago, oldnews said:
Oh - you "like the player" now.
A couple hours ago you were calling him a "cap dump".
It is a cap dump for Tampa, they need the cap dump.
Lucic is a cap dump for Edmonton too, and I like the player.
Marleau was a cap dump and I like the player.
Whats your point? Would I let a team fleece me out of a 1st and 3rd when you know they have cap problems? Hell no.
Cap dump for Tampa, overpayment for a decent player for Vancouver yup!
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Just now, DeNiro said:
And if that 1st becomes a 23rd-25th pick? Or better yet a bust?
Problem with evaluating a 1st is that people are assigning a high value to it despite it not being a known value yet.
If you look at the odds, the majority of 1st round picks don't become impact players. But everyone is fearing the worst here.
If its a late 1st, no biggie, no clear evidence that our pick will be anywhere near there. We aren’t like the Penguins where you can assume a playoff spot. We could easily be a top 10 pick as much as a 20-31 pick. Likely in the 10-16 realm.
The bigger problem is, do you really think in the next two years we couldn’t fetch a player better than Miller with a 1st round pick involved. We now have to hold onto a 1st round pick due to the condition in this trade.
If you think Miller is the best player that we can acquire in the next two years that needs a 1st rounder to acquire, then go ahead and make the trade. This trade doesn’t seem like very good asset management to me.
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Just now, canuck73_3 said:
Hayes likes playing in the East no surprise he bolted back there. Still irrelevant.
Just like your arguments
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1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said:
Considering Hayes didn't make it to FA irrelevant. Next.
Completely relevant when he was traded recently for a 5th.
Hayes, 1st, 3rd or Miller and a 5th.
Again, bad trade
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13 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:
Miller>>>>>>>>>Hayes at 7mil
I’d rather have Hayes, a 1st and a 3rd.
Would you trade Hayes, 1st and a 3rd for Miller and a 5th?
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2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:
One is entering his prime and the other is passed his best before date would rather have Miller and I like Lucic.
That NMC is a no go for me.
Doesn’t Miller have one?
Dont get me wrong, I’d rather have Miller over Lucic.
Again I like the player, I dont like the trade.
We can no longer trade a 1st round pick for two years. Do we really think Miller is the best player in the league that we can acquire using a 1st round pick over the next 2 seasons? I have a hard time believing that.
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Just now, canuck73_3 said:
Holland isn't giving Lucic away.
It definitely won’t cost a 1st and a 3rd.
Their contracts are similar too especially if you justify their value with your statistics
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Just now, canuck73_3 said:
Miller isn't a bag of pucks. Your cluelessness is showing again...
Miller isn’t a bag of pucks, he’s worth supposedly a 1st and a 3rd.
Lucic is worth a bag of pucks
You justify his value with stats, Lucic has similar stats, which costs more? I’d rather give up a bag of pucks than a 1st round pick
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Just now, EternalCanuckFan said:
I like the acquisition but the expense of the deal in terms of the 1st is painful. Still, if Hayes can get $7M per year then $5.25M for Miller over the next 4-years might very good value especially if he can gel in the top-6 and increase his production.
I’d rather give up 1.75 million a season to keep a 1st round pick
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Just now, canuck73_3 said:
5.25 mil, solid skater and 50 point player at 26 years old.
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7 mil boat anchor with a NMC
What's your point?
1st round pick vs a bag of pucks
Whats your point?
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Just now, Me_ said:
VAN
Lucic
Puljujarvi
EDM
Sutter
Hutton
I’d add even more to that
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1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said:
Playing on the 3rd line 53% corsi with 51.8% defensive zone starts. 4 GWG 49.8% on faceoffs.
Lucic 51% corsi with 54.5% defensive zone starts; 259 hits. 55.6% faceoffs What’s your point?
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1 minute ago, -AJ- said:
I don't have info on Miller's usage and didn't watch Tampa games. Do you have info to back up that claim? Genuinely curious as I'd like to learn more about Miller.
14 min TOI vs 20 min TOI; who was given more responsibility against tougher opponents?
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1 minute ago, coryberg said:
You are right.... Miller does a lot more than just put up points.
Against much worse competition than Horvat
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Just now, -AJ- said:
To be fair, on the offensive side alone, Miller was at Horvat's level from 2016-2018 (High 50s in points). In Tampa, he played a more defensive role and dropped a bit. I would expect him to rise back up to his level that he was at in New York.
Horvat played against top players, Miller didn’t
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Just now, canuck73_3 said:
Horvat .33 points per minute
Miller .30 points per minute.
Players are more than points
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1 minute ago, Wanless said:
What makes a second liner a second liner to you?
Horvat, if Miller plays as well as Horvat, its worth the trade.
I like the player, don’t like the trade. If he plays as good as Horvat, I’ll change my opinion
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1 minute ago, SilentSam said:
I think we’re in sooner than you think.
We do have dead weight that arbitrarily needs to go.. Eriksson , Tanev and Sutter should be high on that list.
I hope they prove me wrong
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3 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:
Maybe if fans weren’t so negative he’d have an extension and wouldn’t be pressured into this move then.
If that’s the case, I relish the comeuppance bestowed upon the whiners.
(honestly, JB has always made moves to attempt to improve the roster and this fits with the majority of his moves. That’s why people whine so much.)
If you are pressured by fans and you make decisions because of them; you should be fired instantly
[Rumour] Canucks interested in Tyler Myers and Jake Gardiner
in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Posted · Edited by mpt
Would be a great signing for Vancouver, Myers would be a great addition and would pair nicely with Edler, which when healthy would put Tanev with Hughes.
After that we need to either trade Erickson for Lucic or take on Reaves from Vegas as a cap dump and we are looking a lot better. Adding Pool party in a Lucic deal or other deal would be great. Ehlers in Winnipeg would also be a great addition but would be hard cap wise