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Okay then Quicks 1 season of elite stats shouldn't make him elite because it was 1 season. Elite goalies are consistent, am I right? People aren't putting Bob in the top 5 NHL today because he needs to prove he can do it again, same with Rask... We won't use 2012-2013 right now. So answer me this. Because Luongo had 1 average, president trophy winning year... after being runner up for the Vezina. He is no longer elite, yet Quick is still #2 after he had an average year, got lit up in the play-offs, and then had a good year and a good run. So Lu's reg season's are Good Average Quick's are Average Good Lu's play-offs are Good Average Quick's are Bad Good So just because it's flipped around it's okay? So all the years prior to 2011-2012 don't mean anything towards whether a player is good anymore? So past accomplishments mean nothing? It's all about that 1 year... That's bandwagoning... So according to you, right now, top 5 goalies in the NHL should be. Bobrovski Rask Lundqvist Niemi Schneider Honourable Mentions to Crawford Howard Holtby That list is just flat out crazy.

Also if you don't want to use the shortened season, we can still use 2 seasons for Quick, his seasons prior to those stats are not "elite numbers" either... So I guess he's not elite either then hey?

No they aren't Brodeurs SV% and GAA before and after playing for the cup. Now Brodeur is always > Luongo. But he still showed the same trends and this was when he was still in his prime. Before .91% 2.24 After .906% 2.32 His stats didn't improve until 3 years after playing for the cup. Quick Before .929% 1.95 After .909% 2.45 Luongo Before .928% 2.11 After .919% 2.41 But 1 year doesn't dictate anything to anyone unless they are bandwagoners Your turn.

But you and many others use 12-13 against Luongo... So you are telling me, that you do not use 12-13 against Luongo and are completely basing your opinion off of the 11-12 season which came after the 10-11 vezina nominee season WHICH for you Kiwis Was after his injury, therefore he was/is a capable starter and very capable of winning a cup,(yes he didn't but he could have) and you still know nothing about being a goalie. Anyways back to my point, you are using 1 year of stats after the crushing SCF's to say Luongo no longer has what it takes. Yet Quick is still considered elite even though he had bad stats coming off a cup run. Yet we can't use the 12-13 stats against Quick who was a starter yet we can use them against Lu who was deemed "back-up". You are using double standards with Luongo, and it is making your argument just seem like you have a hate on. You're running circles bud.

Oh what a horrible hater statement. Every goalie EVER has let in soft goals and always has a chance to let in soft goals. Any shot can go in, from anywhere on the ice. A D-Man should have it in his mind that every shot on net is going in. If he thinks like that he will block more shots and take more shots away. You would make a horrible coach

That there tells me you have no idea how to play goalie nor do you understand the strain on the core and hips to dash post to post like that. Big feet, hip injuries and core strength all play factors into flopping onto your belly while dashing post to post... If you were actually a goal tender or knew anything about goal tending, you would have known this. I myself can stay up to the post but once I stop moving laterally I flop onto my belly as well. As will many tall goal tenders, especially if they have suffered groin/hip injuries

That comes from when Van was a weaker team AND when Chicago had a team that Corey Hircsh could have backstopped to the cup. Also comes from, when Lu stops them... He stops them and when they score, well sometimes they score. You are always so quick to point out everything that's wrong but seem to run by and deflect anything good. That is where my problem with a lot of the posts in this thread stem from. So quick to praise all these other goalies and so quick to bash Lu even though they do the same.

The other flip side to that is Chicago has a history of not scoring on Lu >.>. It makes for a great story.

2012-2013 stats for Quick 2.45 GAA .902 SV% Still widely considered #2 and on some lists #1 Goalie in the NHL, your point is still as irrelevant as the 1st time you posted it. In fact, (P.S i love J.Quick) It seems Quick has only shown up for 50% of his play-off runs, with a 3.16 GAA .913% in 2010-2011 and 2009-2010 3.5 GAA .884 SV% Still widely recieved as #2 Goalie in the NHL

You post those stats all the time.. Everyone knows Lu has problems against Chicago. Now go find the stats where Lu shined, You can hand pick series all day to make anyone look bad

Nice research, and well put.

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fair enough, thats a tough point to argue... But I also lay some of the blame on the team in front of him

Sorry I screwed up Game 3 7-2 Chi Loss Game 4 5-0 Chi (Lu let in 4) Loss Game 5 4-3 Nsh Loss Game 3 4-3 SJS Loss Game 3 8-1 Bos Loss Note the team never bailed him out Now every game Lu bailed the Canucks out. Every time the Canucks scraped by with a win... Just enough goals to get by. Game 1 2-0 Chi Win 32 Saves Game 3 3-2 Chi Win 30 Saves Game 7 2-1 Chi Win 31 Saves Game 1 1-0 Nsh Win 20 Saves *Game 2 2-1 Nsh Loss 44 saves (He gave them every chance to win) Game 6 2-1 Nsh Win 23 Saves Game 1 3-2 SJS Win 27 Saves Game 5 3-2 SJS Win 54 Saves Game 1 1-0 Bos Win 36 Saves Game 2 3-2 Bos Win 28 Saves Game 5 1-0 Bos Win 31 Saves He stole more games than he lost for the Canucks. He plays good when it matters.

Yes, yes he is. The same how Quick put up less than average numbers and still is... The same that Pekke Rinne put up average numbers and still is considered elite.

Tim Thomas had multiple 4+ goal games in his cup run 5-2 loss to Tampa 5-6 win vs Tampa (his team could bail him out) 4-5 loss to Tampa Lu 7-2 to Chicago 8-1 Boston

2010-2011 cup run, our D going in was the best, hands down... vs Boston... Below average due to injury. So what about Quicks year after he won the cup?? Well below average... Cup hangovers are very much so real. They include, losing players, and mental abuse, especially to the losing team.

Arguably? No way... Our defense was probably the best in the league. Okay what about 12-13? Also I'm damn sure if you asked Luongo if he thought he was average you would get He'd probably tell you he thinks he's one of the best.

So it's okay to use Lu's shortened season against him but not Quick... Lu's Stanley cup year is just a tad worse than Quicks. Is Quick the better goalie? Of course he is, he's the 2nd best in the league. They both had their numbers drop after the Cup run. It's one year apart yes, but the trend is the same. Quick also had the better team in my opinion.. LA is built for play-off hockey. My argument was, it's easy to blame the goalie.

It's a Jacques Plante quote... And "ya but that was in the past, I'm talking about today" he just isn't putting up elite numbers anymore. That is the point I'm getting at... The fact that Quick gets a look the other way when he does poorly. The reason? His fans don't collapse around him bashing him... They say "the kings lost to the hawks". Or with Rask. "The Bruins melted down and lost to the Blackhawks at the end of that game"

Quicks SV% was .909 this year. Continue to tell me how much you know about hockey. The team as a whole hasn't been the same since the run. Not just Lu. Your defense falters.... guess who looks bad? How would you like a job where, every time you make a mistake, a red light goes on and 18,000 people boo? Also I was referencing the fact that you say I am living in the past... I called out how you respond and I nailed it.

I have no problem with different opinions, I actually had a couple solid debates with dragonfruit/nit.nuck/even variable on these boards that all ended with figurative fist bumps and cheers. What I have a problem with is the name calling and the negativity. Everything I said in my post is nothing short of the truth.

Was Brodeur elite from 1998-2002? Yup he sure was... Were is numbers in those particular years spectacular? No not really.... actually below average on team that was touted for its defence. 2 years (especially a shortened season where he was placed back-up) doesn't define when a goalie is no longer elite. Also, 1 year of "average" play should never cause a goalie like Lu to be put on the back burner... That's bandwagoning by the management, media, and fans.

When was the last time you saw someone popping up and saying "Lu was the difference"? Take a piece of your own advice. When do you ever see him get the props he deserves? Never... All CDC is filled with is haters like you who sit there and type up 5 short sentence paragraphs. This is CDCs haters general blue print for a response. Laugh of some sort (LOL/HAHA) Followed by some sort of name calling or slander to the poster. <Space> Reference to being a Lu lover/Homer followed by pointless sentence. Some sort of statistic when Luongo let in more than 3 goals in the past. Followed by you're living in the past. or Hand picked statistics of when Lu got lit up. Followed by "he isn't good when it matters" I understand why everyone at my work makes fun of me for liking the Canucks(I work in Alberta) it's because fans like you. You know what they all say? Luongos an amazing goalie on a soft team with crappy bandwagon fans. That's what I catch the most flack for, they all dislike our fans because of people like you, variable, Cyril Sneer. All these people who come on here and pass such harsh judgement on one of the most accomplished goalies in the NHL. Brodeur had sub-par seasons and was still considered elite. Roy got lit up and was still considered elite. Luongos statistics are on par with them as well, in terms of GAA and SV%. It actually makes me sad all these people in this other thread saying Eriksson should be the back up for Lu. It shows how uneducated they all really are. 1st of all, what has Eriksson done? NOTHING, while Lack has shown promise. 2nd Lack has a 1 way deal, so it really shows how much people on CDC really actually know about their team or hockey in general. Canuck fans are nothing but bandwagoning brats. Burrows, do we really need him? All the trade Booth threads. Luongo threads. How about you guys learn how to support your god damn team before you complain about them not winning a Stanley Cup...How about you start actually cheering during the games before you whine and say they have no energy. How about you stop ragging on Luongo, or any player at that, when they are going through a tough time. Kevin Weekes nailed it about this community and then CDC proceeds to discredit someone who actually made it to the NHL. Who cares if he didn't fair well, still made it to the NHL. I think he knows just a little more than you do. /endrant I'm player fan 1st Canucks fan 2nd.

Ya but he gets no credit for when he plays good.