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Dubois is trouble. Anyone who is going that route cannot be retained.
Second time this kid wants out.Rather have Miller.
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4 hours ago, Mustard Tiger said:
Doesn't have a choice as per terms with JR. If he breaks them, JR leaves, and its a bad snowball effect from there
Care to elaborate?
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6 hours ago, Mustard Tiger said:
Close this damn thread jeeeeze
What has JR said that indicates we are going after multiple ufa 28-30 year Olds. Pretty sure we are trying to get rid of those type lol
Makes no sense. That’s not how you build a team. Age-based?
If that would be the case, Crosby, Malkin and Letang would be retired by now.
Letang had a career year last year. He’s 35.
Miller is only 29 years old. That’s right in the middle of his prime.
That’s just not how you build a team. That’s how you tank and get I to perpetual rebuilding,
You really think Rutherford and Alvin are looking to perpetually rebuild?
Makes no sense.
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3 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said:
Time for some fun……
15, Rathbone, Hoglander for Dubois
Miller for #2
Kuzmenko Pettersson Podkolzin
Slavkovsky Dubois Boeser
Pearson Horvat Garland
Yes please….MILLER - PETTERSSON - BOESER
KUZMENKO - HORVAT - PODKOLZIN
PEARSON - COPP - GARLAND
Much stronger.
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1 hour ago, bigbadcanucks said:
If signed to league minimum, the Canucks will have made a long journey from the days when fourth liners were being offered/paid $3M AAV with term. What a difference smart hockey men makes, huh?
Now now. The Canucks prospects were getting literally thrown around the rink. Bringing in Beagle, Roussel and Schaller was meant to protect those kids.
We all know that and to forget that part of the Canucks growth is to forfeit a part of its development.
The Canucks brought vets in to create a safe working environment. Our kids grew faster than anticipated and those contracts became anchors faster than they were expiring.
With expiring contracts, Benning went and got the Canucks a second 1D.
Lets keep it in perspective.
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1 hour ago, Chris12345 said:
Burke was my favorite. interesting that he dealt the best all time Canuck and acquired the other 3!
Burke was Ace. So was Quinn. What a hockey mind he was.
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1 hour ago, Alflives said:
Gillis’ teams won two President’s trophies and got to a Cup Final. He was using picks to build the supporting cast so his team could accomplish those heights. Our owner was foolish to let Gillis go when Gillis said it was time to rebuild. Gillis would have rebuilt properly. Lots of high picks on a deep dive for five seasons. Sadly our owner chose the Benning “no” plan.
Actually Linden didn’t let this process start.
Benning should’ve replaced his coach at the beginning of the season; not re-signed Green.
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On 6/21/2022 at 2:37 PM, Harold Drunken said:
Then we would have to blame Desjardins too, I guess blame anybody but Benning is the motto?
The GM signs the players, trades for players, drafts players (with some help) and literally build the team.... but let's not hold him accountable at all for the teams performance for the better part of a decade. If Jim Benning was a great GM who rebuilds, he would have left a quality team with depth, a prospect pipeline who is playoff caliber. This team is and has none of those, so let's blame Travis Green for that? Come on man lol - is Benning your step father?
If Benning was such a great GM and drafter, where are all our top notch prospects? I'll tell you, he traded them along with most of our picks for players past their prime on bad contracts. The end.
I think Benning is a benefactor of rebuilding through the draft. Never have we seen such top pick success in Vancouver. He is a rebuilder and not a finisher. Rutherford and Alvin are finishers.
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51 minutes ago, Alflives said:
Gillis' teams won two Presdient's trophies and got to a Cup Final - game 7. Best results ever by a GM. Teams going all in to get a Cup should after the attempt rebuild. Gillis suggested that plan to our owner and was let go. Clearly a mistake by our owner.
Gillis rebuilding would’ve been a complete and utter disaster. he couldn’t draft his ass out of a golf hole.
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23 hours ago, Alflives said:
JR even said as much when he got here. He said we are capped out and aren't even a playoff team. Benning made a big mess, and it's going to take more than a couple
off-season's with competent management to clean it up.
Gillis made a big mess himself way before Benning came in.
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23 hours ago, Harold Drunken said:
Above your head I know. Try not to think of it.
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3 minutes ago, HKSR said:
Just curious, under what scenario do you think JT Miller will play this entire season, and JR/PA wouldn't move him at the TDL? Even as a rental for a contender?
The scenario is this:
Miller plays the entire season with the Canucks.
Its pretty simple I think. JR/PA sign him long-term.
If you’re against that, well friend you’re always entitled to your own opinion.
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1 hour ago, Alflives said:
I really don’t care if the return is picks, prospects, or young players. I just sure as hell nope we are getting the return that has the highest ceiling potential. If we are doing the Benning and trying to do things quickly then I don’t like that. Get the BPA. If that a pick and we have to wait for him to develop, so be it. But trying for guys who can help now, but aren’t potentially the best, is what Benning did, and stupid.
Good lorhhd what defeatism.
Time to build a Stanley cup winner; not enter into perpetual rebuilding.
Wrong side of the road Alf.
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4 hours ago, Harold Drunken said:
Well, since Florida is much more talented, probably pretty successful.
That's like going from a Ford Taurus to a Ferrari.
But if the driver shouldn’t be on the road…
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4 minutes ago, Harold Drunken said:
Jim Benning was not a good GM.
Scouts and many others are also largely responsible for draft picks - you can't sit there and say "we picked some good players in the first round so he's a good G.M" - that's an incredibly lazy argument.
The bad largely out numbers the good, hence why the teams he built were not successful, very mediocre and his entire regime has been wiped off the board in the head office
Our cap troubles are 100% on his shoulders.
He was inept in free agency
Yes he hit on Miller, but whiffed on countless others.
The rest is history he's gone and good riddance.
Let’s see where Green lands (FLA?) and see how successful he is.
I think it was in large part that Green was a disaster.
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2 hours ago, Harold Drunken said:
I'm starting to think you are THE Jim Benning.
Damn.
You got me.
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2 hours ago, Harold Drunken said:
Yes, he was SO good at rebuilding for 7 years he was fired. You live in an alternate reality.
Fun game:
Name me one coach and / or one GM who was not fired at some point.
NONE.
Here’s another game:
Imagine Nonis taking on the declining 2014 team and rebuilding it.
Patrick White ring a bell?
Gotta give credit where credit is due.
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41 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:
Nikita is coming back home. I can feel it.
OEL - TRYAMKIN
HUGHES - SCHENN
DERMOTT - MYERS
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5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:
Nikita is coming back home. I can feel it.
It’s real hard for Russians to be alone.
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1 minute ago, gottalovethosenucks said:
Wow didn’t see this coming. Love how the oilers can’t always get what they want by dangling McDrai to solve their problems.
this is most certainly the writing on the wall for Brock boeser.
don’t get your hopes up Myers will be staying … dude eats minutes for breakfast .
Garland isn’t going anywhere either , have another beer Alf
Honestly, concerning the Oilers. I think the Canucks are a deeper team than the Oilers. The talent is more wide spread.
And DEMKO.
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10 minutes ago, Alflives said:
I think that term “hockey trade” has become the catch all for trading contracts that balance - cap wise.
Hamonic for a third wasn’t a hockey trade. Garland for Marino would be a hockey trade.
Oh thanks Alf.
lol
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21 minutes ago, Outsiders said:
Regardless the good thing is we have options. Personally I wouldn't go into next season with Miller unsigned. We don't need any distractions and we can't lose him for nothing. We still need to replenish our prospect pool and D, specifically the right side. I see Miller wanting 8+ million minimum on a 7 year deal.
I've thought Vancouver and Boston for a Miller trade would be a good match. I see this management group making a "hockey trade" if they pull off a Miller trade.
Brandon Carlo and 1st rounder 2023 for Miller.
Maybe we could squeeze BOS for an additional piece like a prospect or mid round pick? RHD are so valuable tho so hard to say.
Miller would replace Bergeron and help keep BOS window alive. We would get a 6'6 220 RHD that is signed long term at a very reasonable cap hit (5 years @4.1)
What’s interesting is, trades in the NHL are ALL. hockey trades.
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495 pages later, no sign of Miller getting traded anywhere anytime soon.
None.
Hearsay from media, nothing concrete.
But here at CDC, Miller has already been traded for picks and prospects, setting this team back another 3-4 years, just in time to rince and repeat this exercise with then oldies Pettersson. Boeser, Horvat, Hughes and Demko.
Rince and repeat.
Perpetual rebuild.
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Canuck D Pairings -- Some Surprises
in Canucks Talk
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Oh here are facts:
Boeser
Pettersson
Hughes
Podkolzin
Traded 1st for Miller
Demko
Evidence
23OA15 Boeser 324GP - 121G - 135A - 256Pts
05OA17 Pettersson 245GP - 97G - 124A - 221Pts
07OA18 Hughes 205GP - 19G - 146A - 165Pts
10OA19 Podkolzin 79GP - 14G - 12A - 26Pts
Miller 202GP - 74G - 143A - 217Pts
TOTAL 1055GP - 325G - 560A - 885Pts
36OA14 Demko 136GP - 67W - 53L - 2.84GAA - 0.912sv%