NucksCup2015

yup..its the players, aint the coaching and AV is showing it....

yes lets get older...heck trev should lace em up! bring back pavel!

respect is allowing trevor to let him go before reporting it 'moron'

apologists? umm dude the players are on the ice three years running they have played like crap in the playoffs and now regular season a coach who is now in the second round was blamed constantly on here as the problem, the players had 'tuned him out' so to speak, he was too stuck in his ways, he was not able to adjust they said well the same group of PLAYERS failed again with yet another coach when DO YOU AND PLAYER APOLOGISTS START WANTING THE REAL ISSUE DEALT WITH - THE PLAYERS? its pretty simple / common sense man....when you need to fire 2 coaches in 2 years because players are underperforming, sometimes you have to use your brain and accept its not the coaching, its actually the players

Larry Robinson please

Melason has been great with the goalies..why would you get rid of him? if you're going to clean house, whats the point of waiting at year? do it now...Kesler has alot of value post olympics so he should be moved only issue is Edler, you hope he recovers and you try and get him to waive at the deadline

oh the IRONY!!!

2011 Cup loss 2012 first round exit 2013 first round exit Coach fired 2014 no playoffs GM fired Coach fired no change in players Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting the same result. Coaching, much like goaltending has never been this team's problem Interesting to see when / if any players are actually moved since the common denominator in this mess is folks...unfortunately, the players blame coaches all you want, blame torts all you want. Torts saw a SOFT TEAM PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY, when he came in here. he assessed the competition and realized with this lineup his players are going to have to learn to play tougher physically and mentally if they want to win a cup - thus he tried to use the regular season to teach them to play the way they need to, to actually win...which they simply whined about and wilted like the wimps hey are... if you disagree, you certainly haven't watched the Anaheim/Dallas series, the LA/SJ series, the way Boston plays just because he has a team full of whiney pufters was not his fault, its the team full of whiney old pufters... wrong decision

gotta think TSN should be a bit more respectful...Tortarella may not even know yet.... but then again, its big to be the guy tweeting it first right..

and i guess coaching had nothing to do with getting the best out of his players lol love the one way analysis on cdc players play well...all them players play bad.. all the coach

yep

you think stastny was 200 lbs when he was drafted? lol Pavelski? Keith? Toews? lol And ya sorry no one in this draft is going to be as good as Perry/Getzlaf and umm Niskanen is a dman

the point again is the 2014 draft is not addressing 2014-15 issues man -its about addressing future needs

Point is jensen can HANDLE physical play, Hertl doesn't go hit guys nor does Jeff Carter. Dude Lindros 2.0 doesn't exist this year nor would he fall to 6 if he did. Yes everyone i mentioned was third/fourth liners (other than horvat who you missed). therefore , the issue being we clearly need ELITE skill in our prospect pool - you don't get that? even after saying right above we don't have that skill? Size and 20 goal players who hit can be found in the 2nd round, late rounds, NCAA, but elite skill seldom is found there, thus when you have a chance to get elite skill draft it Do you know that when Sakic was drafted, the knock on him was size? 5'11 175. I remember that draft and people said his immense talent wouldnt translate to the NHL - that's why he dropped to 17 or so Skill cant be taught...size is more available than skill ever is

1. I used the word potential and if he cant hit 70-75 pts EVEN MORE REASON TO DRAFT ELITE SKILL, AS HE NEXT TO SHINKARUK, HE IS REALLY OUR BEST OFFENSIVE PROSPECT - OOPS ARGUED AGAINST YOUR OWN POINT 2. Archibald has already shown he can manage playing the 4th line and that's all he will be -a role player with size. its opinion, but clearly being called up numerous times shows he can play that role, that's simply a fact from last season, debate a fact as much as you please 3. Never said Gaunce is a saviour, and I said he has size and is a third liner - again suggests the need for skill amazing your lack of reading comprehension even when i ordered everything nicely for you sorry you lose

you get so angry when people present arguments that make sense because they understand hockey much better than you sorry you think this is some sort of ego thing, i feel for you that you are so insecure be well

Ehlers please at six, then make a trade and ensure we get Fleury

silly point? look at our prospect pool that's what we're drafting for...not TODAY..for the last time...please read my post above it lays it out quite nicely as to how we should be thinking about this draft and why elite skill is a must... for a quick summary prospect players (forwards) with size / who can play a fight through the traffic game Kassian (potential 55-60 pt power forward player) Jensen (potential 70-75 pt sniper who can handle the size/ Hertl type) Horvat (potential 60-70 pt 2 way player who has the size to play any style (as we know compared to Bergeron) Lain (20-25 pt 4th line center) Matthias (25-35 pt 3rd liner with size) Archibald (15-20 pt 4th liner with size) Cassels (can play a gritty game 35 pt 3rd line player with grit) Gaunce (3rd line center potential 35-40 pt player with size to handle a tougher game) Fox (who knows but a player with size and strength) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Shinkaruk (potential 1st liner with 75-85 pt potential), finesse, speed game No one else So tell me again, we need size in the future? In a perfect world we'd find a big elite skilled center to be Hank's replacement in this draft but sadly, if Lindros was around he'd be first overall. At our pick, if there is not an elite center we need a winger with that elite skill to be that extra scorer. You need scoring depth man, not just size...right now we have enough size in the prospect pool and size is easier to find in later rounds, elite skill is not. I'm silly? And for the last time, this guy isn't the size of Briere and scouting reports say he can handle a tough game and doesnt shy away. thanks for coming out

i 'm batman

Markus Naslund when drafted 5 '11 175 Ehlers 5'11 168 ya markus naslund sucked and ya think Duschene was 200 lbs when drafted? lol... oh and players don't gain weight? umm he's 18...most 18 yr old professional athletes gain muscle I remember 2 years ago people yammering that Tanev was too small and light lol Crosby would suck in the west, so would Giroux wow so many holes in your silly points

you mad bro?

point is (which you astutely make/related to yours)...people here keep assuming who we draft is going to step in this year (its implicit in the point that we need size). 1. We need size NOW 2. We are drafting a player than won't be ready for at least 2-3 years more likely 3-4 3. Therefore a smart person (such as yourself) see's that what we should be looking at is our team needs in 3-5 years 4. Thus we look at our prospect pool and its NEEDS 5. We have size and 2 way players in that prospect pool 6. We lack speed and pure gamebreaking talent other than Shinkaruk in that prospect pool (ie the reason so many have said we need replacements for the Sedins right?) 7. I have repeated this over and over and yet people really dont get it 8. you dont solve today's problem with a player who's not coming for 3-5 years lol 9. you don't want to create a different problem by trying to constantly draft the same player, as teams need a mix 10. our FUTURE mix is needing number 6 above

Kass ko'd oilers goon Ben Eager man... the team has been trying to reel in his temper and stop him from going over the edge...ie learn to be better on the ice than in the box....its about them 'training bad habits' out of him not that he's a spot picker or can't fight lol not many guys want to fight him after seeing what he did to eager....what you will see is as he starts putting up points, more and more guys will challenge him to get him off the ice... amazing how simplistic the views are here

hey laugher go read my other posts that's exactly why they should choose him over worrying about size, since we have size in our prospect pool (which i have said in many posts) btw nowhere in my post did i suggest he solves our CURRENT issues, in fact in my other posts I suggested drafted a player to solve our current problems that wont be ready until the future is stupid. the key is to look at our prospect pool assess its strengths and weaknesses and fill those holes. ie we have size, decent skill, grit in that pool, what we don't have is much elite talent (ex shinkaruk) thus ehlers is the smart pick and not just picking size because its a current issue. thanks for coming out, next time read what i say vs getting hostile

When drafted Markus Naslund 5'11 175 Ehlers 5 '11 168 I think many would be happy with a player if he could turn out anything close to the first name....shut up about size http://thechronicleherald.ca/mooseheads/1192191-nikolaj-ehlers-super-sniper “He’s one of those players who might not be as big as some of the other guys in the draft right now but scouts are looking at two or three years down the road,” Ashley said. “If you want someone on your team who can score goals, you’re not going to be looking for an 18-year-old to do that right away. You’re looking for a guy to do that starting when he’s 21 or 22. Nik’s a guy that will put on size. When you can skate like that and when he puts on 20 pounds or maybe even grows an inch or two, he’s going to be a superstar in the NHL.” Scouts also notice how fearless Ehlers is. He never backs down from a bodycheck, even going so far as to seek out hard contact. “One of the biggest things we noticed right away is he plays like a North American,” Ashley said. “I think sometimes it takes Euros time to adjust, coming from the big ice and maybe not being used to the game being as physical over there. But he looks forward to the physical play. He’s a big gamer. When you have someone on your team like that, it brings a sense of leadership. He’s a first-year player but he’s someone the guys look up to because of the way he plays.” Dane has demonstrated that he's hardly riding on Jonathan Drouin's coattails with the Mooseheads. His 49 goals were the most by a Quebec League newbie since someone named Sidney Crosby.