NucksCup2015

wasnt calling you a troll, was responding to your point to the troll who was saying Ehlers doesn't score without Drouin

I've been saying the same but ehlers if not our 6th is very easy to move up with if we package right, we should be able to get into the top 3 with a trade that works for both teams if you look at the teams above us in the top 3(other than buffalo) both edmonton and fla have no need for PURE offensive young players right now (size, vets, defense would be more useful for them especially if they only move a few spots), don't forget both those teams need to start winning NOW 1. Florida has new ownership and that team has been failing they don't want to see that place empty anymore and they already have a nice stable of young talent but they need vets. Does drafting first really mean that much to them if they can still get a quality player at 6 and a valuable vet (Edler etc) as well as the 6th - no it doesn't 2. Buffalo wont move, they want their pick 3. Edmonton has drafted so much talent but look where they are? still worse than an aging nucks team. They need vets before that team busts from too much losing and the fans stop coming, you can't sell the future forever, they are running out of time with their fans. Ekblad for sure for them but if he's gone, then same issue likely willing to trade down for 6. 4. Calgary needs the pick, lacks the stable of talent 5. NYI - also in need of vets moving to a new building and Tavares is getting pissed off, they need to start winning too Best outcome in my view Edler, Gaunce, our first Florida Campbell, their first and second Deal with Buffalo Hansen, Florida second, and our first and second in 2015 and our agreement not to take Ekblad for their first in 2015 And before you bark about 2015 think about this Buffalo gets 1. Hansen 2. Ekblad guaranteed 3. First pick in the second round this year 4. Two firsts next year as they will get the Isles pick (the isles will take theirs this year they have to, otherwise they tell their fan base they expect to miss the playoffs next year) and our pick and two picks in the second. Simply for their first next year....that's alot! Take Reinhart and Mcdavid next year

trolls lack analytical skills lol

If Ritchie was as great as many here like to praise him for, why is it not his name that is being mentioned by Tallon? Why is he not a no brainer pick for Mr. Trucalent Brian Burke? Oh that's right, there is risk with him too! there is risk w every player folks! People who want Ritchie seem to be implying no risk with him simply because he has size, well I don't think we want Alex Stojanov do we? Wouldn't we rather have Markus Naslund? And NO I am not saying he is Stojanov, I am simply drawing people to the simple fact that there are no guarantees with size or lack thereof

good to hear about Friesen, I wasn't aware of that. When they drafted him, seemed like the perfect 3/4th line player, heart, fast, gritty...and ever understood why he wasn't making the jump, nice to see he ended the year well and hopefully can push for a spot with the big club next year... hmm is he only 5'9? I thought he's 5'11?

yep...ripped

they weren't that size when drafted

Anyone want to see how jacked this kid is? go to his twitter and look at the picture - shirt off https://twitter.com/NikolajEhlers24/status/413721871604285440/photo/1 kid has an 8 pack not six...worried about strength? anyone who plays hockey knows where balance and strength come from, the core and legs, clearly he has leg strength given his speed....guy is a physical specimen

now you're getting my point in your first sentence....other issue is Ehlers is a LW not a center (same size as another famous LW sniper we had a few years back)

please re-read my post and try to comprehend what I am saying you are misinterpreting about 100% of it

agreed

turnover the puck? do you have his corsi and fenwick numbers? backcheck? he's a plus 65 A PLUS 65 I am sorry but keep trying to bash a player and then pretend you're being objective. You watched him hey? but you make up points without stats to back it up Floater and yet he's a plus 65, thats not a plus 6 man its 65!

really? can you please inform the crowd here how may points Giroux put up in his rookie year in the q and subsequent years his size and weight at draft year and then can you tell me the same for Ehlers? Thanks Oh here I'll help you Giroux 2005-2006 69 GP, 39 goals, 64 assists, 103 pts 2006-2007 63 GP, 48 goals, 64 assists, 112 pts 5'11 172 CURRENTLY Ehlers 2013-2014 63 GP, 49 goals, 55 assists, 104 pts 5'11 176 CURRENTLY (according to our friend above who called the Mooseheads) Yes you are right, he is no where near as talented as Giroux WOW Same league, same size, same points but ya no where near as talented Please dont go into any career where logic matters. and 31st time, OUR PROSPECT POOL HAS BIG GUYS FOR HIM TO PLAY WITH IF THAT'S YOUR ISSUE again!!!this kid (whomever we draft) wont be ready for 3-4 years not step in now and solve our current issues so therefore look at the size of our prospect pool and evaluate what its needs are not todays!!!! geez I actually don't care who people 'want' to be honest, just tired of seeing people troll with misinformation and hyperbole to support their views of who they want vs being objective. its alright to say hey i've seen ritchie play and like him and would prefer the nucks draft him, that doesn't mean or logically follow that Ehlers is not an elite talent, it means you prefer the nucks build their team in a different manner than I, this is fine. But so many here are arguing he's not talented, he's steve kariya, he's soft lol...really all they are doing is trolling

Ehlers will end up being at least 6'ft and 185-195 lbs which is more than big enough for the NHL When I was 17 I was 5'11 165 wet When I was 20 I was 6'2, 201 from growth and training My parents are 6'0 and 5'4 If Ehler's family is tall (which I guarantee you scouts look into) he will grow, interesting how everyone assumes Subban will grow or hopes he will but not Ehlers lol It will be interesting to see how scouts may reposition their views post the combine on this kid, if he has grown and gained weight and shows well he will move much higher

crosby also played at shattuck st mary's growing up (a hockey factory) and this was ehlers first year in a new country and smaller rinks and he was simply a year older and i was not comparing him to the level of talent of croby, the point AGAIN is that his talent is elite and the only reason he is lower in the rankings is because of the size bias of nhl scouts. again please review my points on sakic and giroux and try to comprehend them thanks

Dale Tallon has also raved about this kid, thats the thing man, no one knows but we know this, alot of players have been said to be too small and taken later in the draft because scouts have the same size bias as many here and again, this guy is not Briere/St Louis small, he is Yzerman, Naslund, Sakic size and will grow the extreme views here are hilarious, small means he's steve kariya apparently, no small means he's not the 'optimal size' according to scouts approach to drafting which as we all know is highly imperfect. do you know why a Hall of Famer from Burnaby named Joe Sakic fell to 15 in his draft year? He was said to be too small at 5'11 and his numbers in the WHL would never translate to the NHL do you know why Claude Giroux fell to 20 something ish? Beacuse he was too small and played in the QMJHL a high scoring league and his numbers would never translate to the NHL Yes there are 1000's of players without optimal 6'1 200 lb size that failed being drafted high, as there are just as many players with optimal size who failed as well, but you can't teach talent buddy End of the day the draft is always a crap shoot, but remove the typical biases and think a bit, do you want to roll the dice on a kid with elite upside or average upside? because it is a dice roll if its average upside why wouldn't you take that later in the draft when the elite upside isn't available? and im sorry but anyone trying to claim a kid in the Q in his rookie year, and only kid since crosby to score as many points as a rookie does not have elite skill has never played hockey that is not luck, that is not being a beneficiary of other players (Drouin, who he doesn't play with regularly other than PP), its very easy to dismiss players as people here do so they can support their own views. As one poster mentioned be objective and look at what the kid could bring vs trying to suggest he doesn't have talent when all indications are clearly he does. The fact that Ehlers has elite skill cannot be argued, he has already proven it at the junior level, his point totals. People can argue that all they want but its a fact.

slow clap, well said ps I sure hope Gilman liked what he saw when he went out to Halifax

interesting comments since many of the scouting reports i have read have said he is more than willing to play in traffic and in fact initiate contact to gain possession. he is not a 'perimeter player' many on cdc are scared this kid is MayRay part two, and ya I get it, post traumatic stress disorder does things to people. he's not MayRay part 2 the other issue people keep harping on is size and this is now the 30th time i have said it 1. The CURRENT issue on our team is lack of offensive talent that can skate and has size 2. This years draft will not address a CURRENT issue, it will address FUTURE issues, since this years first rounder will likely take 3-4 years to make it to the NHL, unless somehow we get Ekblad 3. Therefore, a logical conclusion is you look at our prospect pool and see what is lacking. 4. In our prospect pool, size is not lacking, players who can battle through and have the size to protect pucks win board battles etc (Kassian, Horvat, Jensen, Matthias, Guance, Archibald, Grenier, Lane, Cassells is gritty enough as is Fox). 5. What is clearly lacking in that group is not size it is elite talent. You may argue and fair enough its your view, that Ehlers doesn't have elite talent, I beg to differ given what I have seen of him play, his scouting reports and his point totals), he certainly has much higher point totals than any of the said prospects above have achieved, even after adjusting for league differentials - and by a wide margin, this not something you can simply dismiss. 6. He is the same size as Markus Naslund, Yzerman, Sakic, Giroux, on and on. If the kid played a permiter game and was scared to go to the net, sure I'd buy the arguments, but he's not. That in combination with the size in our prospect pool therefore becomes a non issue. 7. 2 way players with size are very easily found in the second and third rounds, projects so to speak, and many second / third rounders have turned out well. Jamie Benn was taken in the second round. 8. One seldom gets a chance at elite skill unless you're Edmonton or Florida, don't waste that pick on something we have as much of a chance of developing in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. 9. Players like Ehlers are not going to be found late in the first / second/ third very often, players with size who can put up 20 goals and maybe break through like Benn are.

no dispute on this position play and hockey sense, i think even in camp people were suprised because he looked slow/lacked explosiveness (same concern in junior) but was never really glaringly out of position. same issue will happen in the NHL though and its faster thus the reason a 3c may make more sense (and even as you say he played extremely well in the shut down role) if he can develop his stride and speed I can see him moving up the roster but right now until he does, I think its hard to see him in an offensive role in the NHL....you need speed in that role

I think Gaunce may eventually be stuck under Cassels with Cassels as 3C Gaunce as 4C. at the end of the day we should be happy when they both make it to the big show. Anyone remember Friesen? remember how he was one of the top faceoff and defensive players in the O? ... barely got games in for Utica this year

that's nice, I don't care what you believe, that was the point lack perspective hey, that's an interesting comment, your opinion really hurt me, my experience tells me otherwise No assocations in those circles hey, pretty big assumption Does an NHLPA email address count? High profile media types? Who Botchford? Probably does post on here given his lack of hockey knowledge lol

grudge? lol sorry I actually think Ehlers is a better player and my experience in hockey tends to tell me I am a good judge of that, choose to believe it or not. Moreover, I just want the Canucks to get better, and a strategic person can look at their future team needs and easily assesses what is lacking. Who knows who will be better, both could bust, neither could, or one could. Moreover, clearly your comments and constant worries about whether some anonymous person on the internet believing you played with Mason Raymond or not mean a little too much to you, which again signifies either you are incredibly insecure or, you never played a damn thing and are trying to constantly pretend you did in order to lend legitimacy to your views. I could care less who you are or are not.

Yes and I am an ex NHL player Now what?

soo you just repeat what I told you, claim it as your own lol, then repeat your pretend story about playing with Raymond and being bitter about not being drafted he was the better player and carried you, since he's in the nhl and you're not sorry to state facts, and please stop pretending thanks

his skating worries me....just feel we don't have enough elite skaters in our future forward group. At best he's average, he is like Gaunce but has a bit more strength in his stride. I honestly haven't seen much of him so may be over reacting but the many clips I have seen he just doesn't seem to have that extra gear and lacks an explosive stride....and skating really is number 1 in hockey.... Elite/Very Good Shinkaruk Kassian Good Jensen Horvat Cassells Average/Poor Gaunce