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2 hours ago, Camel Toe Drag said:
Yea departing straight for free agency that is!!
Excited about this kid. I hope he get's a chance to get his feet wet in the AHL before we throw him into the snake pit that is the NHL.
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24 minutes ago, Alflives said:
As I have stated before: how long do we wait for Jake? Maybe Jake will never get it, while with us? He might need to be traded, much like Kassian, once or twice to realize he's not given an NHL spot?
How about we at least let him play out his first season of being eligible to even play in the AHL as the barest of minimals?
Hes 20 years old.
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2 hours ago, N4ZZY said:
knowing this franchise. Boeser will be a two-way forward, playing a good 200 ft game
Are you trying to make that sound like a bad thing?
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9 minutes ago, DeNiro said:
Wow, plug is a little harsh, don't you think?
I would say it's more a case of his ceiling being a big question mark right now.
It's not a big question mark.
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41 minutes ago, Mackcanuck said:
NEWS 1130 SportsVerified account @NEWS1130Sports 28m28 minutes ago
Utica coach Travis Green not as concerned as others that Jake Virtanen has just 1 assist in his last 10 games. #Canucks
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Green on Virtanen : " It's his 200 foot game that will decide if he can play in the NHL or not." #Canucks
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Green says you hope long term Virtanen is a top 6 guy, "but we got to get his game to the NHL level first." #Canucks
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Green says wether Virtanen is on 4th line, 3rd line or 2nd line, "let's get him back to the NHL playing a 200 foot game." #Canucks
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Green : "I'm fine with Jake, it's a process for him and I see progression in his game." #Canucks
I actually feel that this would be a solid approach. Obviously you want a 6th overall pick to produce some points for you but in order for any points to be put on the board, Jake needs to be playing in the NHL in the first place. Quickest way to get there and stay there is develop a solid 200ft game. The points can come later if that's the case. Simply put, Jake needs to step up to a whole new level than what we have seen before and I really hope he is up for it. I've never doubted his talent, but sadly, his commitment hasn't been there and there is no way to dance around it. Canucks need Jake Virtanen to become Jake Virtanen if that makes sense?
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2 hours ago, clam linguine said:
If a pick is being projected 4 years down the road...it should be with a 6th rounder. I wonder how often this 4 year incubation of a defenseman works out.
It won't take Juolevi 4 years to make it to the NHL. Talent wise he could have played on our 3rd pairing this season. Canucks are in a very good situation moving forwards where they can allow Juolevi to develop properly without rushing him into the NHL. Olli needs to get physically ready and has now got the opportunity to do so. The success of a draft pick isn't decided on how long it takes to make it into the NHL, but rather how well that player does when he enters the league. First to make it, doesn't make that the best player.
If it takes Juolevi 4 years to make it into the NHL and he comes in and is our #1 for 13 seasons.. are we complaining.
My prediction? Juolevi has a huge summer after an already impressive season in London. Comes in, plays 9 games, impresses the hell out of a lot of people, get's sent back due to depth, has another great season, comes back and makes the team the next season.
When I watch him play, there is a certain aura the surrounds him, I don't know if anyone else has that feeling. Even though his style of play is quite anonymous, he's still so noticeable out there when you look at the details in his game.
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7 minutes ago, Alflives said:
I'm fine with a philosophy that rebuilds from the net out. Why, considering your belief JB is following this model, did he spend his first three first round picks on Forwards?
Virtanen was the big headline hometown hero pick.. wrong or right.
McCann was a player that was ranked higher than his final selection, a BPA type of situation. Next defensemen selected was Dominik Masin by Tampa, 11 picks later.
Boeser they were really high on and had him a lot higher. There is video of JB at the draft saying quite early on in the 1st round that there is no way Boeser was going to drop to them. When he was available at 23, the Canucks picked a player they could have possibly had in their own top 10.
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1 hour ago, Stierlitz said:
To elaborate a little, here are some more quotes from Cap'n Olli.
Quote- It's been a couple of tough days. You're not checking your Twitter feed exactly, but that's a negative part of being a hockey player, when things are going well the media can't say enough about you with nice headlines but when it all turns to s**t, then you have to be ready to take the s**t as well.
The leaders of the team had an internal meeting (Olli Juolevi, Kasper Björqkvist, and Vili Saarijärvi)
- We reflected on what we want to get out of our own game. We had a meeting the morning after (after the Denmark game) and after that met with the coaching staff and discussed it further.
- Proactivity was a big topic in our discussions. We want to be more proactive with our own game, especially since we have a lot of skilled players, notably on our backend where a lot of us are skilled with the puck. Us defenders need to be more involved in our game.
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Juolevi post game comments (*double translated*, Finish->Swedish->English)
QuoteAfter the upset against Denmark, captain Olli Juolevi was close to tears.
"You get influenced after such a tough start. I don't know... I have never been this angry before. This sucks."
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1 hour ago, Alflives said:
The Finns lost to the Czechs today 2-1, and our guy was on for both goals against:(
Oh no!
What a busty mcbustface bust.
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2 hours ago, missioncanucksfan said:
I don't get how a guy loses so much with mono. I got it and ya it was the worst week of my teenage life but week n a half later I was in tip-top shape and back in the gym.
Is there different mono's?
I seriously have no idea. I don't think I've ever had it, unless I just thought it was a cold or something. I had a friend who missed school for 3 weeks and couldn't play sports for 4 months after that.. I guess it varies in severity?
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5 hours ago, missioncanucksfan said:
I'm sorry but I don't see how rating a guy with constant hernia problems the past 2 years and only played a handful of games is still rated 1st overall.
Hopefully he gets his hernia problems taken care of once n for all
Sports hernia can only be dangerous in the long-term if the appropriate amount of rest is not administered. I don't think it will hurt his career in the long-term and what he has accomplished in the past is really impressive. If it was another type of injury, I'd be concerned as well, but it's not the type of injury (I believe) that is reoccurring, unless it is mishandled.
I'm still not sold on Hischier developing into a dominant 1st liner at the NHL level and am a little worried he will end up being a player that plays a supportive role. Patrick, I feel, has the makings of a 1st line center that plays in all possible situations. I just feel that Patrick has the potential to be more dominant than Hischier at the NHL level. It's not like I have a lot between them either and a substantial part of me is hoping the Canucks don't end up with the first overall pick and have the decision made for them by whoever picks 1st.
6 months ago everyone were raving about Liljegren, and now that he has had mono, all of a sudden he's not the same player anymore, and doesn't have the same ceiling. I think that's the case for Patrick. Spend a little time out of the spotlight and people forget how good they really are.
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7 hours ago, Derp... said:
Interesting the Liljegren was left off the team in favour of a 2018 draft eligible D man Dahlin for Sweden. Is that skill related alone, or based on injury/mono as well?
1 hour ago, TheHockeyNerds said:I'd assume mostly injury/mono related, plus Swedens defence is stocked with many 19 years olds which makes it even harder to make
It's only because he missed a lot of games because he had mono.
18 minutes ago, Psycho_Path said:Is Robin related to Sami?
No. Salo is quite a popular last name in Finland.
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How I would rank the prospects now from a Canucks pov.
1. Patrick
2. Hischier
3. Liljegren
4. Vilardi
5. Mittelstadt
6. Tolvanen
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30 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said:The USHL is interesting. Not a lot of star players but it seems players drafted from there in the top two rounds have a good probability of being solid NHL players.
At the time of the draft I gathered info on the USHL forwards drafted in the top two rounds over the past 12 years or were first year college players out or th USHL.
Including a bunch of top six players like Kyle Okposo, David Backes, Max Pacioretty etc Boeser put up better USHL numbers than every single player except Thomas Vanek. Vanek scored 42 goals as a 23 year old in the NHL. Boeser and Vanek also sported almost identical point totals in year one of college hockey.
I wasn't too surprised by his outstanding freshman campaign. I just hope that this surgery doesn't knock him off of his trajectory.
I think the surgery is so minor that the potential complications are highly limited. If anything, his wrist will get stronger than it was before and that makes me believe he'll have even more room for development. I always try to keep my expectations as low as possible in terms of prospects because it's important to be patient and not expect immediate impact, with Boeser it's tough not to expect him to come in and look like a fairly accomplished player already. It's going to be really neat to see both Stecher and Boeser playing together again. They both seem to be the type of players that just love the game of hockey and spend most of their time just having fun. If Boeser can equal the work ethic of Stecher, combined with his talent, the Canucks no doubt have a very, very good young player coming into the fold. Boeser has got the potential to be a 30-35 goal scorer. Possibly peaking for a few seasons at an even higher number. He certainly projects, when looking at his junior numbers and college numbers, to be in company with some very good NHLers. He's gone through a lot of adversities and seems to be that classical "character guy". Super stoked on him.
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41 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said:
And as for Boeser, such a bummer about his wrist injury. I am very high on him. At the time of the draft many people were unsure what to think. I was probably more excited about the potential of Boeser than any player we've drafted since Cody Hodgson (I think he has 30-35 goal potential). Horvat is already better than many expected him to be (2nd/3rd line centre). He is around where I expected his ceiling - and he is still getting better. Juolevi is going to be great as well. I was never sold on Virtanen but understand why we made the pick.
spot on.
I'm not going to lie, when Boeser was picked I let out a sigh because I was hoping for a defender and I don't follow the USHL at all. Couldn't be happier with the pick, he's incredibly talented.
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1 hour ago, canucklehead44 said:
Explain what would make up the huge difference in value. Not as a Canucks fan, but as a third party? Do you believe other teams would pay significantly more for Tanev than Gardiner? Gardiner makes a lot more mistakes, but he also puts up a lot more points. Tanev is a beast defensively, but given his lack of offense and non-physical play I think he is undervalued.
I wouldn't trade Tanev for Gardiner, but I am a homer. I don't think a lot of people in Toronto would trade Gardiner for Tanev. There are a lot of ex-pro hockey players in my office (one guy played with Tanev at RIT). I'd be happy to get a more professional point of view if you like. If most take Tanev and say Gardiner is garbage I will gladly eat my words.
This isn't an argument of who is better, it is about perceived trade value. Even as a huge Tanev fan, I think they would net similar returns.It's not a question about Gardiner being garbage, he's a top 4 defender and he's had a good season. I don't think he holds more trade value than Tanev, at all. Leaf fans should and would gladly take Tanev for Gardiner. Easy trade for them to make.
Why Tanev is more valuable:
- Right handed
- Top pairing not a middle pair like Gardiner
- He's an elite shutdown defensemen
- More consistent performer over a longer sample period
- He carries his partner, Gardiner needs to be carried
- He's got a year longer on his fantastic contract (4.5 a year for a top pairing guy), Gardiner will get a pay-rise earlier and is already at 4 mil per.
This is a post regarding Reilly vs. Tanev and why Tanev is better than Reilly. Reilly is clearly better than Gardiner. This is from a Leafs fan.
QuotePlease read this (A lot of fans have been asking 'where's the proof', I will be quoting this paragraph from now on). Here you go:
Proof that Tanev is clearly a #1 and thus better than Rielly right now:
1) He played 21:45/game(top pairing on team) w/ 35% defensive starts & 26% offensive starts
2) His dCorsiCA (How he handled his usage including minutes+zone starts) was -58, which is REALLY good. Meaning he can handle even harder usage and more minutes than his usual top pairing usage. His dCorsiCA has been good his entire career and has gotten better every year even with more difficult usage.
3) His CA60Reltm was -7.5, which was the best on the team by a LOT. Next best was Hamhuis with -3.8. His CA60Reltm was 4th best in the league among top-pairing D (Lindholm, Doughty, Campbell were ahead of him).
4) His most common linemate was Edler, followed by the Sedins. Considering the Sedins and this pairing went up against other top competition (Canuck fans please confirm this if true), we can use WOWYS to see if his stats were boosted by playing with either Edler or the Sedins.
HOWEVER, Tanev did the same with the Sedins and away from the Sedins. In fact his CA60 was 50.6, while Sedins away from Tanev was 53 despite Tanev having the harder usage away.
What about Edler? AGAIN, Tanev did better away from Edler. His CA60 was 51 away from Edler, while Edlers was 61.
Thus as you can see Tanev with top pairing usage, had elite shot supression numbers and his numbers suggest he can handle even harder minutes and usage. This makes him, IMO, a true #1 defender.
NOW for Rielly, I'm sure you've seen his before. Rielly's analysis like the one I posted above is terrible. The only thing about Rielly right now that makes him a #1 is his offensive game. His defensive game is severely lacking, which makes it clear he struggled in his usage this season. Rielly is not a #1 yet with that defensive game. Leaf fans can say 'He played the most minutes for the Leafs' or 'He was named best D for canada at the championships' all they want, he still struggled heavily in his #1 usage, which makes him NOT a #1.Anyways, let's let this thread be about Boeser now! I bet you got some great stories about Tanev from your co-workers!
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9 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said:
Take off your homer glasses.
Age, contract minutes etc are all similar. Gardiner has 14 points and 31 points with a +4 on a crap team. Having to sit through my share of Leaf games he is a solid two-way defender. The Leafs are around mid-pack for goals against. Outside of Reilly / Zaitsev / Gardiner their D is full of young guys and scrubs.
In regards to shot suppression, he is really one of the few players in the league who competes with Tanev and he puts up points. So, what exactly is making you "weak right now"? The fact that he wears a Leaf jersey? Does that make Jake Virtanen better than Auston Matthews? I really dislike the Leafs (and have reason to more than probably anybody on these boards), but as a Canucks fan I think we probably have the worst, most insecure group of fans in the league. It is pathetic.
Wrong moment to try to put down Canucks fans. Jake Gardiner is not near as good as Tanev, whatever your hero chart says. By the way, hero charts are pretty useless to begin with..
Boeser playing as well as he did at the beginning of the season while having issues with his wrist makes it even more impressive.
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3 hours ago, Chip Kelly said:
Listen I know the Canucks are starved for skilled forwards who can score. However the pressure shouldn't be on Boeser and Juolevi to make the squad next year.
If either of them do it should be Juolevi who is already defensively sound.
It would be s great story but starting the year in Utica won't hurt Boeser.
Juikevi is on the Maata development path and should make the team next year.
It's about time I make some changes to my signature.
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56 minutes ago, Chip Kelly said:
Gudbranson looks terrible too in the d zone right now. Rather have McCann and his slewd and shot to call up over relying on Guance and the journeymen Chaput,Skille, and Megna.
Wut?
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21 minutes ago, LaBamba said:
I didn't realize Boeser was struggling to this extent. I'm too lazy to look back but @theilluminati can you give a brief summary of what is causing the struggles in your opinion?
An arm injury.
Other than that he has been great.
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Thatcher is quite the impressionist. Had me laughing pretty good!
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1 hour ago, Fanuck said:People need to temper their expectations for this kid. He lit it up on an absolute powerhouse team last year and people think he'll come in next season right from school and snipe 30g's or something.
I hope he'll step in and contribute, but if he earns a spot, plays regularly each night, contributes where he can and makes improvements throughout the season I'll be happy about that.
1 hour ago, Ronaldoescobar said:I agree. I think it is still a year or two of college play followed by a year to two of AHL development ahead for Boeser (if he is still with Vancouver as they want to do it right as opposed to how its gone with JV)
No.. no it's not.
He'll get signed after this season. Possibly spend some time in the AHL but there is no way it will take 4 seasons beyond this one for him to play in the NHL like you are suggesting.
He had a tremendous rookie season at UND and began this season with the same dominance. Sure playing with Schwartz and Caggiula helped his point totals, but those totals don't seem to be going down this season when he's playing without them. An arm injury has slowed down his production but all indications are that he will return to being an above ppg player when he is 100%. This year is really beneficial for him because he needs to be the go to guy for UND. Before his arm issues, he played like he was that type of guy and will probably be that guy for the rest of the season.
He's a bluechip prospect. You need to do your homework if you think otherwise.
..and no, nobody sane is expecting 30 goals from Boeser in his rookie season.
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7 hours ago, kenhodgejr said:
Tanev to Boston for Jake DeBrusk and 2017 2nd
Not even worth picking up the phone for that.
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Yea, it's gonna be a tough 13-16 years of having the exact same tactics for the powerplay.
Dumb draft pick considering our PP.