[A Review of GMJB's Trades - He Did Well!]

12 hours ago, NHL97OneTimer said:

You're entitled to your opinion.  He did a lot of good things.  Drafting was one of them.  I still remember people being upset that he drafted EP because he was too skinny.  Then he wins the Calder.  The biggest problem with JB in my view was that he failed to create a team around him to help with the cap and everything else.  There were a number of good players that underperformed  and some of them went on to perform better later.  This isn't a team construct issue, but there are organization management issues that could have been improved obviously.  Now we're seeing the opposite approach unfolding.  But was Beening one of the worst?  Absolutely not.  You have a limited view of this team's history!

Do you want a better view?

 

Canucks GM records

 

Brian Burke  219-181-68-24      

Dave Nonis  130-91-25

Mike Gillis  261-183 - 51

Jim Benning 233 - 257- 63

 

Bring out your calculator or abacus and tell us what Bennings win percentage compared to the other 3. Im not gonna even put Pat Quinn's name in there considering its an insult to even have his name attached to any comparison in relation to Jim Benning. Burke, Nonis, Gillis, and Quinn all have banners in Rogers arena.

 

Granted Jim Benning should have one. The jersey thrown on the ice should be hung up there, marking an end of the most pathetic 8 seasons this city has ever seen

[[Proposal] Keep Miller, Move Brock for Brock]

9 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

In his first two years Boeser scored 29 and 26 goals in 62 and 69 (nice) games respectively. Over full 82 game seasons his pace would put him at 38 and 31 goals respectively. He had a down year the next year in terms of goals but was still a good producer while battling injuries and his bum wrist. Last year was his first ever fully healthy season and he lead our team in scoring and posted his best season since his rookie year in terms of PPG with 0.88. Since Boudreau has taken over, Boeser has 8 goals and 14 points in 18 games. 

 

He's only had one Playoff run, but he showed well in it. That's better than having a bad showing in a Playoff run or not having one at all. He deserves some credit for that. 

 

I wouldn't say Boeser is elite or worthy of being considered among the top-5 or top-10 best wingers in the league, but I do think he would be harder to replace than most people realize. If we sign him for less than his qualifying offer then great. If Boeser wants >7.5M AND management doesn't feel comfortable with it, then move him. 

I'll agree with you on that one LOL

 

I suspect if Brock is going to be kept, his contract will probably be 6.5 range and will probably include a longer term. Boeser is not at that point where he can turn down a long term offer thats somewhat in his QO range. If he goes in the open market, I don't think he's going to get 7.5

[A Review of GMJB's Trades - He Did Well!]

12 hours ago, DontMessMe said:

All im saying is, just because a player is currently playing in the AHL doesnt mean they are better.  Your reason for Klim > Guenther is because he is playing in AHL while the other is playing in juniors. 

Way too early to tell, and Im not a huge fan of Guenther, but you'll never know. Just because the guy is playing in the AHL right away, that no guarantee he's going to pan out. Lind and Gadjovich have been seemingly doing well when they were in our farm team, so far, their careers don't look very promising

[A Review of GMJB's Trades - He Did Well!]

7 hours ago, ba;;isticsports said:

Any title that says Benning did well I do not agree with

High costs and wrong timing for everything he did

I have agreed with JR's assessment (for a long time) that this team is not (and wasn't being) constructed properly (and JR should know)

Not to say that everything JB did was bad, but he certainly did not have the midas touch in constructing a cup team or timing for one and for that i will not pump his tires

Just so glad we have a management team with experience who put a value on communicating to one another and relying on each others opinion  

We have a chance to be elite again  and hope we get there

Question is, will this team be given 8 years at the helm?

Can't wait to see what JR does to transform this team out of the embaressment we've had the last 8 seasons. He's made some questionable moves in Pittsburgh (good gawd Pearson for Gudbranson?) but those Stanley cup rings speak volumes. Just by the way he's formed his management team, I really like where this team is heading. IMO, i think we are getting that 1st class organization shine back ever since JR has been on board

[A Review of GMJB's Trades - He Did Well!]

22 minutes ago, D-Money said:

So trading for Schmidt, then trading him away, were both wins?

 

You do realize that by allocating the money to add Schmidt the Canucks has to walk away from Tanev? I’ll admit that at the time I thought it was an upgrade, but Tanev has been an absolute beast for Calgary, at a very affordable cap hit. Seemed to affect the room too.

 

In hindsight, that whole situation was a giant loss for Vancouver.

Not to mention that fact that he waived his no trade clause to go to WINNIPEG pretty much sums it up.

 

I agree, I don't think Schmidt was an upgrade over Tanev. Im actually suprised how well Tanev has played in Calgary, good for him

[A Review of GMJB's Trades - He Did Well!]

7 hours ago, alucard said:

Waiting for a review of Benning FA signings, like to see that table.

the money he splashed for nothing over and over again.

LOL just spending money left and right on garbage players like Jason Dickenson. We got the double loss on that one. Traded a 3rd, signed him to a 3 year deal and hes contributed nothing. He was brought in to play centre, defensively sound and PK and hes atrocious in all of that

[This may be the perfect time to "TANK".]

7 minutes ago, N4ZZY said:

thought this draft was supposed to be a deep one? 

 

It is depth wise. Its not as legendary as the Kesler draft but its there some good players after 20. If theres a year to tank, its NEXT season when Bedard and Michkov are in the draft

[[Proposal] Keep Miller, Move Brock for Brock]

2 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

I think trading Boeser would be bad for the Canucks for the following reasons:

 

1. Boeser is a goal scorer and goal scorers are rare, more so than I think most people realize. Boeser is a good one and if we moved him we would be trying to replace him for a long time. 
2. Boeser's contract concerns are overblown in my opinion. A long term contract around 7.5M is right in line with what players of Boeser's production get. Anything over 8 and it's more of a concern, but I genuinely don't think it will get that far. 
3. Boeser is an original core member that has grown with the young players and veterans in the organization. We all witnessed how the 2020 offseason when Tanev, Toffoli, Markstrom and Stetcher all left. Now is the time when we should commit to keeping our core players around and facilitating their growth. 
4. Boeser actually has proven that he is effective in the Playoffs. He was very, very solid for us in three rounds in the 2020 Playoffs. He scored some big goals, some greasy goals, was responsible defensively and didn't back down. 11 points in 17 games is pretty good for his first time in the Playoffs. 
5. Boeser is young enough to still align with our new window of contention. This is the main reason why I think it makes more sense to move Miller than Boeser (not that Miller will be bad, but Boeser just fits more cleanly). 

 

I know he's been in rumours for what feels like the last 2-3 years, but I hope he doesn't get moved. 

Goal scorers are rare yes, but thats the 35 - 40 goal + variety LOL. You make it sound like Brock is a rare commodity, a guy thats NEVER scored 30 goals. To put in perspective if he's such a rare commodity, he's on pace for about 25 goals. Theres 2 other guys in our team currently in that pace and another 2 will be close. I hardly think Brock is elite

 

The reasons why we are more likely to move Miller than Boeser is because Boeser's value is nowhere near as high, and he's got no leverage commanding 7.5 million on a long term deal. Point a game guy like Miller, that plays centre, can play PP and PK, he's going to command top dollar

 

Brock Boeser has only had one playoff run. Lets not carried away here that he's all of a sudden Johan Franzen or Peter Forsberg, who turns into an absolute juggernaut in the playoffs

[Coronavirus outbreak]

3 hours ago, Alflives said:

Joe Rogan is an idiot, and those who follow his show to seek medical advice are morons.  So many stupid young males.  

Like Aaron Rodgers. Great QB, but just a dumba$$ human being. He did his own "research" and presented it to the NFL and they pretty much threw it back at his face. Its the kind of world we live in unfortunately that people who can type google all of a sudden have a phd in science over Anthony Fauci whos been dealing with diseases and viruses for decades

[Luke Schenn | #2 | D]

On 2/1/2022 at 3:31 PM, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Schenn has benefited from having a good NHL head coach.  I question he’d look nearly as good under Green (though you could say the same about a lot of players on the team).

Brad Shaw has taken over coaching the Dmen, so its made a difference. He's basically undoing the mess Baumer made.

 

Another reason Schenn is doing good might be just simply chemistry. There is something about the way Schenn plays that just meshes with Hughes. A top end D-man doesn't necessarily need another top end guy to be successful. Brian Leetch's best years were paired with amongst all the other guys, Jeff Beukaboom who is basically a Dana Murzyn, Gerald Diduck in Canuck terms. Im not sure why our dolt of a GM let go of Schenn in the first place considering how well he played here his first go around.

[Luke Schenn | #2 | D]

17 hours ago, kloubek said:

Minus the fact that Guddy makes double (and prior to this year, used to make 4.5 times the amount), never hit as much as Schenn does, and while he's having a better season than usual, consistently kills anything that looks like a team cycle.

But yeah - other than that, pretty identical.

 

Theres an arguement to be made that if you put factor in salary, statistics, availabiltiy, theres a strong case that Gudbranson is probably the worst player to wear a Canuck uniform in the last 20 years

[Luke Schenn | #2 | D]

19 hours ago, Boudrias said:

Schenn is the unsung hero of the season.

Yup. Honestly i would not trade Schenn for anything else than a 1st or 2nd round pick. Its over payment yes, but a team would have to blow us away to get Schenn out of our hands, not that 5th- 6th round crap. Schenn for what he's getting paid has pretty much exceeded his pay grade, AND he's under contract for another season. You don't trade Schenn for flexibility, if anything, hes the part of the season for cap flexibility

[Why I think Miller will be traded and why Canuck fans will be somewhat disappointed with the return.]

15 hours ago, aGENT said:

 

Yeah, this is all part of the trade negotiation dance. Of course the Rangers don't WANT to trade Schneider, but either you pay up, or one of your competitors likely will.

Exactly. Miller has a lot of leverage in his contract and his value. If Rangers think they are a JT Miller away from winning a cup, they better be ponying up some top end assets because, like you mentioned, if they wont do it, somebody else will. Miller would wreck havoc in the east.

[Why I think Miller will be traded and why Canuck fans will be somewhat disappointed with the return.]

12 hours ago, Provost said:

We have several assets out there in the trade talks, and those are teams reportedly interested... there could be trades similar with the main pieces below:

Boeser for Carlo

JT Miller for Lafreniere and K'Andre Miller

Garland+ for Severson and Zacha

We downgrade in the short term at forward but also get massively better on defence.

Geezus if we land Lafrenier and K'andre miller, to hell with the 1st round pick

 

Can we really get Severson and Zacha? Maybe 1 but not both. I can see Severson maybe 1 for 1, more like a lateral move

[Why I think Miller will be traded and why Canuck fans will be somewhat disappointed with the return.]

16 hours ago, nameci said:

Fan in Mexico and VegasCanuck:  I am stuck in bed with terminal pancreatic cancer so my entertainment options are few.  I thought I had something to add to the forum so Iposted.  You both chose to take issue with my post which is certainly your right.  I was posting my informed opinion which you neither needed to read or respond to.  I don’t think your posts added anything to the conversation.  Perhaps you, like me, have too much time on your hands.  I am also a fan in Mexico.

You do have something to add to this forum. Who really gives a rats a$$ what other CDCers think of your opinion? You said your piece, it started a talking point, its what this forum is for right? Frankly it sounds like you got more stuff going on other than what the Canucks are doing, so hope you get well soon. Dont ever let some piece of trash like VegasCanuck, WeneedLumme or Dazzle, I dunno who else to name thats the scum of CDC, who tend to attack people personally when opinions don't match theirs (and the fact they are massive Benning fanboys)

 

As for your topic, it will all depend on JTs demand come deadline. I've posted before, the Canucks can easily hold off till the off season to trade Miller. Teams will be able to manage their cap to fit his contract, so I don't think that extra playoff run makes a difference in his value. His numbers speak for themselves, point a game player that plays top line C, we will get a kings ransom whether its from the Rangers or someone else

[[Rumour] Canucks getting calls on Conor Garland]

8 hours ago, stawns said:

It's not like Forsling did well after the trade from Van, it's taken him this long to get his foot in the door.

 

I had no issue with the McCann trade as it got Guddy, who then got Pearson.

Didn't like the trade for Gudbranson, I think we just got lucky on that one getting offered Pearson. I would've taken a gift card to the Keg if it meant getting rid of Gudbranson

[[Rumour] J.T. Miller Trade/Contract Talks]

4 hours ago, Shayster007 said:

You can touch, for the right price.

and with consent. A certain former Canuck has no clue what that means

[[Rumour] J.T. Miller Trade/Contract Talks]

3 hours ago, J-23 said:

What about Lafrieniere and Kakko. Or is that asking for too much…

I'd want 1 but not both. The other piece has to be a D-man

[Danila Klimovich | C]

19 hours ago, Googlie said:

Johnson for sure.  He surely knew that having Boeser, Petterson, Hughes, Hoglander and Podkolzin simmer in the minors for a few years would for sure have improved our depth-chart rankings, yet he let them go. So short sighted.   

 So you're saying teams are just relying on draft picks making it straight to the roster, and the rest of the draft picks that don't make it, meh to hell with them. Thats fine, if you want to be the Senators, or Sabres, but GOOD teams also get players developed from the farm. Abby clearly hasn't developed much players considering guys like Hunt, Chiasson, Dowling for some reason are employed with the Canucks.

 

You millenials and your zingers. Try harder.

[Danila Klimovich | C]

15 hours ago, hammertime said:

Lockwoods gonna be a player Rathbone too. It's not like our farm team had any talent to work with they can't turn water into fine wine.  

 

Gadjovich and Mackewan are some guys we could really use over Chiasson and Di Guissepe. 

Thats not guaranteed. Lind, Gaudette and Gadjovich were all good players in the farm, all are barely playing as we speak. People should temper their expectations on young players thinking just because their doing well in the lower leagues, doesn't necessarily mean theyre NHL bound. The farm had enough time to develop Lind, Gadj and to a lesser extent Juolevi so theres clearly something wrong down there. Hopefully JR and Alvin will fix the situation. But yeah, Id rather see Lockwood up here rather than that trash Chiasson

[[Rumour] J.T. Miller Trade/Contract Talks]

6 hours ago, Warhippy said:

I absolutely agree about Minnesota, but NYR and Col both have far more of a need for Miller than they do currently untested or unproven prospects.  In NYR's case, that blue line is a gift from Orr.  In Colorado's case, it's the same thing.  Both have prospects they can capably shed because of who they have currently playing under the contracts they are playing with.

 

I firmly believe we COULD fit in Miller at 8.5 million as it's only a 3.25 million increase and by the end of next season we'll actually have shed some dead space in regards to cap space with the loss of Holtby and Virtanen at $2.4 million, a total of $10.4 million in cap space and Myers on the last year of his deal.  Not even including of course LTIR etc.

 

IO dare say keeping him won't be nearly as hard as some suggest as the following year we'd have $33 million in cap space as the current math states.

If you move a few pieces out like Dickinsons contract, maybe even Myers, I have no doubt we can meet JTs $ amount. The problem is the term. The Miller camp is going to want 6 - 8 years on that deal, and i'd figure we get 3 - 4 good years from that, the rest its possibly all down hill. Add the fact we have another albatross contract on the downslope by that time (OEL), its a very very risky move.

[[Rumour] J.T. Miller Trade/Contract Talks]

1 hour ago, YearoftheNuck said:

Not to be too much of an opportunist but Miller’s stock might’ve just risen even higher in Colorado after fellow centerman MacKinnon got injured again tonight. If it’s a long term injury (which I hope for his sake it isn’t) they might be willing to pay a king’s ransom for Miller. 

If thats the case, Bryam, a 1st , plus another asset better be heading this way. Friedman mentioned that any big deal that is rumored, Colorado wants in. The Avs are right in their window and are out for blood to win the cup

[[Rumour] J.T. Miller Trade/Contract Talks]

2 hours ago, Toyotasfan said:

I’m betting Boeser gets moved before Miller. 7.5 million reasons.

Boeser won't get the same haul as a Miller trade would. Boeser has no leverage whatsoever to be commanding 7.5 million, no team would pay him that unless their GM is stupid. He could probably take a deal around the 6 range here unless of course he wants to leave. Miller on the other hand, numbers speak for themselves and he's a centre, and we aren't even factoring the intangibles. Miller is more than deserving of a contract that has a floor of 8 million per

[NFL thread]

On 1/24/2022 at 8:49 AM, gurn said:

Now the day after a great, great football game. 

I see the NFL still hasn't changed their overtime play off rules, to allow both teams a chance with the ball.

I think they will, at least for the playoffs. I can understand the reasoning for it in the regular season as they don't want the morning games to bleed towards the afternoon games.In the playoffs, both teams should have a possesion, not just TD and its over.

[NFL thread]

2 hours ago, Pears said:

 

They'll beat the Chiefs this weekend