Maniwaki Canuck
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19 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said:
Mama tol' him someday, he'd be an East coast man
Lock in a deal for 10, with a no-trade plan
Many gomers comin' from miles around
Just to see you paddin' stats in a no-win town
Maybe some day yer name will be in lights
Come see the garden gnome in tights!!!
Go, GO! Goooo Johnny Go..GO!
Laugh? I thought I'd die. Give this man a prize.
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6 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:
what does his extension eligibility have to do with anything? the team that traded for him before the 13th can't re-sign him but the team that trades for him after the 13th can re-sign him??? any team that trades for him can still sign him to 8 years
The issue is that nobody can have cost certainty with Miller beyond next year until the 13th: that significantly affects his trade value.
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32 minutes ago, JM_ said:
why? because you don't negotiate against yourself. There's no real upside to us letting agents talk to a player. You only do that when the player is gone for sure.
Good point. It's also why it's hard to do a deal like this before the 13th when it's actually possible to re-sign Miller. Until then, any of the parties can say anything without any need to commit. You can't get a deal like this done on hypotheticals.
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1 minute ago, aGENT said:
Nor should it be. Management should be taking their time to get this right, not falling prey to imaginary fan/media deadlines.
Again, Sakic took TONNES if flack for waiting on moving Duchesne. It didn't happen until NOVEMBER.
I personally hope it's handled before training camp, as it will be an unnecessary distraction, but freaking out before the 2nd day of the draft and free agency, nevermind the rest of summer....
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Hopefully before November though
Agreed. This was never going to be easy, either as a trade or a re-signing. In fact it is almost impossible to get value either way, but of course management has to try and needs to drive a hard bargain. But if they demand anything like full trade value for Miller, teams are at least going to wait until the re-signing window opens on July 13, and in most cases look at free agents first where there is no acquisition cost beyond salary. One year of a bargain salary on Miller doesn't get us full hockey deal value and there are plenty of rocks to run aground on in trying to serve the club's best interests here. We need to cut management some slack on this one.
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1 hour ago, stawns said:
ypu're assuming that Miller even wants to re-up inVan
I take his expressed willingness to re-sign here as way more authoritative than your feeling that he doesn't. When did you manage to get inside his head?
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I disagree with Drance on many issues, in particular the "need" to trade Miller because he supposedly doesn't fit into our "window". But unlike most sports radio people, he actually does take a coherent position and puts some ideas together beyond the hyped-up persona. So he at least gives us something to think about, agree or disagree. Whether they know it or not, many of his critics on this board replicate his takes on Miller and other things, so it's hard to take them seriously.
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Okay, so it's looking like at least one more sleep til we know what's going on here. According to Friedman, "the ball is in the Canucks' court" regarding term on a Miller extension as of earlier today. That would imply that there's some agreement about AAV. Sounds like they're not miles apart (just years) if that's accurate. My guess is that tomorrow is last call on trade offers and then management decides to either fish or cut bait. Or go back to the Miller camp with the threat of a trade to somewhere he may not be keen on ... Gotta be some heavy brinksmanship going on here.
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3 minutes ago, EP Phone Home said:
Guy blocked me for calling him out on a long list of the bets he got wrong. Have to be accountable when your job is a “sports betting expert”
Baldy had the same 3 ugly jerseys hanging up in the background all playoffs you’d think if
he actually made money off bets he’d have a few more jerseys. Guy looks like his grandma dresses for him and he has probably lost more money then hair since he can’t lose anymore
Yeah, the whole industry seems populated with losers and idiots. Good luck normalizing it with front men like these.
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Very interesting and great news for the afflicted. The neuro-connective and neuro-regenerative properties of psylocybin do seem to be legit. There are boosters like Paul Stammets who maybe push it a bit farther than it will go, but without them the clinical work will never get done. I also note with approval that people these days don't tend to treat mushrooms and other hallucinogens like party drugs quite the way we did when I was young. Take it seriously, have someone look after you and it will probably work out better.
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37 minutes ago, DeNiro said:
Fans need to face the fact that we’re likely giving up the best player in the deal and the trade probably won’t be a win for us.
My hope is that they re-sign Miller and trade a winger to get that right hand D. Wingers are much easier to replace.
For sure. The question is how we lose the least value: trading Miller for lesser players or signing him for too much money and term. Not an easy call for management and it will obviously depend on what is actually on the table. I'd love them to work out something reasonable to keep him, but put the odds of a trade at about double those of a re-signing. Not that I'm like that child molester guy on those Bet365 ads on Sportsnet.
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Florida is running a quiet second to Vegas as the most ungrateful organization in the league. Gallant being the common denominator ...
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Huge. Gotta figure that besides Boudreau, Podkolzin must have played a role in this. The good experience he had here in his first year and the regard his team mates go out of their way to show for him must have helped convince Kuzmenko that this isn't a completely anti-Russian environment.
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Whoever coined the phrase "you can't fix stupid" must have been thinking of Kypreos.
All kinds of changes to the lineup might be coming but the problems that need to be fixed aren't about a country club environment. You don't climb out of the hole we were in when Boudreau took over with an entitled attitude. These players care about winning. This team isn't "broken".
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Great news! Bruce single-handedly fixed the vibe around this team and the rest followed. He's the right guy in the right place at the right time.
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Maybe I've been a Canuck fan too long but both the likely outcomes with Miller look disappointing. If we deal him, we're not going to get hockey-trade value back in return. I we sign him, it's going to be too much for too long.
I don't envy management having to navigate this one and wouldn't be surprised if they dual track it, negotiating an extension while also looking at trade options, even involving Miller's agent for input about whether he'd re-sign in prospective destinations, since that would increase return.
Love the player but I'm expecting him to be traded. It will be a blow to the team but we'll have come out ahead on what we paid for him. Factoring in his cap along with whatever return there is, we might just hold our current level of play and come out with a younger and more coherent roster. But we're not winning any trade that ships him out.
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Just now, DSVII said:
Too smart by a half, but it seemed to have paid off this time with the availability of Trotz. But yeah, will see how the off-season plays out.
I honestly don't see how Allvin is grating communication wise, granted i've only watched one presser (the season ender) and he seems to carry himself well enough, but I've said this about Benning when he started, I don't care if the GM is as articulate to the media as a stack of bricks, as long as their actions show they know their business. So Allvin is still in his grace period for me.
Actions are what matters, for sure. And it's easy to understand why GMs don't want to share everything with the fan base and feel like they have to manage our stellar media. Trotz ... I don't think so but there's no denying he'd fix our systems play.
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I can see having some concerns over this management group. Their handling of the Bruce situation is too smart by a half. If they really want someone else then go for it but damning with faint praise and daring him to jump ship is just passing the buck while trying to look decisive. With that said, I do agree with their critique of our systems play and breakouts. But I'm not sure if going public with that critique at this moment was the most constructive move.
Undoubtedly they are overhauling how the organization does scouting and player development: we'll just have to wait on the results there but it's hard to question the need to do it. As far as getting relevant perspectives into the decision-making process, I still vastly prefer the team they've assembled over the JB/Weisbrod duo. But I get the sense that Allvin isn't going to wear well as a communicator and that we'll end up as sick of him on that front as we were of Benning: different styles (bumpkin vs. velcro lips) but similarly grating.
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41 minutes ago, wildcam said:
I can see Bruce waiting until after the 1st round of playoffs are over? Some team will off him a 3 year contract.. If LA kings get knocked out, Toronto, Flyers these teams will be calling Bruce..I think Bruce will go with team that offers term 3 years...
It stands to reason. Bruce has the remaining year with us to fall back on, but he hasn't exactly accepted it despite saying he wants to return. Hard to see what else this adds up to but testing the waters around the league.
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49 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said:
That is a real thing.. lol
You suck at the start of a rebuild, that's a closed window...
You are a top team, open window..
Cant pay everyone, Cant gain every asset on the way to a cup for free.. history shows mostly slow climb with a sharp fall over 10 year periods
We are just all soo use to poor management, We need to hear our new guys say something like simply get better to feel reassurance
It's a real thing up to a point, but more a moving target. If you've been following the Miller debates here, there are some posters who know with mathematical certainty that our window opens in 2-5 years. I call bs. It all depends on what moves get made every year, how many players are outperforming or underperforming their contracts, depth and injury luck, etc.: things you can't control or predict. Did anyone know that Calgary, for example, was going to be this good this year? But yeah, I will agree that there are clear cases of tank/rebuild at one end of the spectrum and peak contending at the other. For most teams in the middle ground it isn't so cut and dried, though, and getting better is the name of the game.
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Just now, Locke Lamora said:
The comments about the team needing more structure, the criticism of the zone exits….more and more I get the feeling that JR and his helper aren’t that enamoured with Loosey Goosey Brucie’s coaching. Very interesting fodder today.
Agree with those who think it sounds like more nibbling around the edges of the roster this Summer. But if JT and his team are determined to get full market value….then buh bye JT.
They're completely right about structure and zone exits. Was an even bigger problem under Green though. Shaw made some difference but it's strange that with all the changes that have happened, this hasn't been fixed.
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2 hours ago, Putgolzin said:
I think we can fix our D more easily than most people have considered.
We have a star defenceman who has previously stated he would feel completely comfortable on the right side.
I've thrown out this thought a couple times recently and it hasn't generated even one response - I guess mostly because it's too outrageous to even consider.
But could it work?!
Here's my lineup:
OEL Hughes
Dermott Myers
Rathbone Schenn
Hughes plays alongside OEL - unfortunately OEL still has to play a solid defensive role, but we have a truly great first pairing
Dermott could be like a very-poor-man's OEL and keep things calm while Myers does what he's done but in less gruelling minutes
Rathbone could be like a very-poor-man's Hughes and that line could be similar to Hughes-Schenn again in less gruelling minutes
We all assume we have to find that stud/star huge minute munching RHD and we're going to have to cut in other places to do so.
The first problem is that player doesn't hardly seem to exist, second, if he does we have to cut so drastically to land him.
I say we already have that player, we just need him to switch sides.
I like it. An OEL/Hughes pairing is not going to rim the puck out of their own end on the forehand very often, so no problem that they're both left shots.
Your two bottom pairings have the puck-moving/stay-at-home complementarity that usually makes sense.
And the pairings can switch around situationally, revert to this year's format when needed, etc.
The fact is that moving off of our current D personnel is going to be difficult and we can't afford additions that would make it an even more expensive group. So thinking about how to get more out of who we have is important. The other factor there is what Rutherford just singled out: team structure and breakout system.
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1 minute ago, Angry Goose said:
Of course Ill just sit back and see how things play out, but if he does leave ….. yeah Ill be upset
Me too, but I'll wait til it actually happens also.
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2 minutes ago, Angry Goose said:
Imagine a team like LVGK with ties btw McPhee / Bruce offer him a longer contract……what a gong show it would be here
Yeah, if Bruce ends up with the Showers I, for one, would lose it.
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2 minutes ago, Baratheon said:
No! They are creating a competitive environment. Asking him to keep it up and continue to earn it if he wants to stay. Kinda harsh considering his success but probably the kind of leadership that we want.
I understand that but it is, as you say, kinda harsh and the guy has some pride and more importantly, options.
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[Discussion] Sports, Do We Even Need It?
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I'm good with no politics or religion on these boards, so when are they taking the slava Ukraina option off the "like" menu? Just the usual hypocrisy.