canucklehead44

Are you talking about Dahlen or Goldobin? Dahlen's speed was pretty good. Goldobin's scouting reports indicate high end speed but I haven't really seen it in either the AHL or NHL. With San Jose he seemed to score a lot more goals due to his speed. Not sure if perhaps he added bulk and lost a gear? Either way, he needs to change his attitude and come in with intensity or else find himself on waivers. He has skill, but not enough to carry him.

Rookie years (majority of games in NHL): 2015 - Werenski +2 Provorov +2 Hanifin +1 2014 - Ekblad +1 Fleury +4 2013 - Jones +1 Nurse +3 Ristolainen +1.5 2012 - Murray +2 Reinhart +3 Reilly +2 Lindholm +2 Dumba +3 Pouliot +3 Trouba +2 Koekkoek +5.5 It looks like most players who make it in their +1 or +2 years end up being very good players with the exception of Murray who had some injury problems. Players who started +3 or later have a much higher failure rate. Out of the +1 and the +2, 9 met or exceeded expectations, while one didn't meet expectations but isn't a bust (Murray). 0 complete busts. Out of the +3, 2 met or exceeded expectations (Dumba & Trouba), one who has taken awhile to meet expectations (Nurse), and 4 are or near bust level (Fleury, Reinhart, Pouliot, Koekkoek). While this isn't time to panic I understand the concern and frustration with Juolevi being behind most of his draft class in becoming an NHL regular.

I watched 4 Utica-Marlies playoff games in Toronto and this is what I saw as well. Goldobin has high level passing and stick handling ability. This made him dangerous on the powerplay. 5 on 5 however he was useless. Average speed at best (in the AHL), zero hustle to his game, and easily pushed around. Dahlen was much quicker and more tenacious but maybe didn't carry the puck much. One guy to look out for is Tanner Macmaster. Great speed and tenacity. Joined the Comets after his college season ended and scored an impressive 11 points in 18 games.

I’ve noticed this too. I think this is a big reason why we drafted Quinn Hughes who has potential to put up 60-70 points per season. A lot has to with systems as well. I thought Hutton could be like a Jovanovski without the toughness due to his skating but he never really improved his puck carrying skills.

Hutton and Stecher had 25 and 24 points in their rookie years, respectively. I would have anticipated around 60 points between the two of them last year based on trajectory. Instead they combined for a measly 17 points. Del Zotto has also averaged around 31 points / 82 games in his career and had just 22. Edler beat his career average .44 points per game with .48 points per game, close to a 40 point pace. Outside of him our D was pathetic. Our entire D combined for 122 points. Here are how the other Canadian teams stacked up. Also included defence points as a percentage of total goals for: Canucks: 122 / 56% Oilers : 129 / 56% Flames: 144 / 67% Jets: 170 / 62% Sens: 162 / 74% Canadians: 125 / 60% Leafs: 191 / 71% Now if Stecher and Hutton scored at a 30 point pace, we would have finished with an additional 30 points from our D (accounting for same games played). This would have put us at 152. Hypothetically if we scored no more goals we would have been at 70% - still less than the Leafs and Sens and just a little more than the Flames. Now it is virtually impossible we would have scored the same goals. So lets say we take the average of 64%. This would have put us in the low 230s, or about 18th in the league. This tells me that: 1. As bad as our team is offensively, offence from our defence is proportionally bad and 2. Perhaps Stecher and Hutton's lack of offence are a big part of the problem. Now just for one last comparison lets look at the Lightning (highest scoring team) and the Sabres (lowest scoring team) Lightning: 183 / 63% Sabres: 113 / 57% One thing I find interesting is I was really upset when we didn't re-sign Erhoff as he was a huge piece of the offence. However, take a look at the numbers below and how they other guys stepped up: 2010-2011 :157 points 258 GF 61% 2011-2012: 181 points 241 GF 75% This goes to show that we don't necessarily need one guy putting up massive points, but players like Hutton, Stecher, Pouliot, and Del Zotto who are more "offence minded" to contribute way more.

College hockey is a good level and the players are mostly fully grown men. It will give him one more year to mature physically and mentally. Ideally I would like to see Juolevi in Utica and Hughes at College. Move out Del Zotto and Edler at the TDL and bring up Juolevi and Hughes to replace them

Agree with you as well. Players all have similar value

Sobotka = Granlund Berglund = Baertschi Thompson = Virtanen St Louis 1st & 2nd = Conditional 1st (if Canucks make playoffs, if not it becomes a 2nd + 2nd 2021) + 2nd (2020) A bit tricky as Granlund and Baer are younger but the closest comparable in terms of being set roster players with some but not a lot of trade value

Bozak replaces Berglund, Sobotka is easily replaceable given his salary. Thompson is a decent depth prospect but with just 23 points in 56 AHL games I doubt he becomes more than a bottom 6 player. A late first and late second is not bad for a fringe first line centre who is 27, plays a solid two-way game, and is under contract for 4 more seasons. We see good UFA players haul nearly as much at the deadline. Not a terrible trade for Buffalo by any stretch. This is a win-win at least as of now.

Maybe an 8 year old haha those are pure bone

Chicken legs

I didn’t even say the group would account to anything, just that it had more size, grit, and skill which it did both now and at the time. Our forward prospects were all smaller, softer skill players prior.

Lol way to surface a post over 4 years old. Pointing to the fact that we did add size and grit - the first group had none. Also the second group has played 443 in a Canucks uniform - 581 if you consider Shinkaruk was a straight across prospect swap for Granlund. The first group combined a pitiful 150 games - 321 if you include the Hodgson for Kassian prospect swap. We also have Horvat and Gaunce still regulars with the org plus Granlund. Cole Cassels has gotten better but still a stretch - if his rookie year was as good as this past year I would be more optimistic.

Pettersson is going to play LW so it makes sense to put him on the top line with Horvat and Boeser unless we find a suitable 2nd line centre. It would be great to have EP and Boeser on a line and then Horvat with Leipsic & Viratnen to help them develop into 2nd line players. I just don't think we can find a good enough centre.

Maksimov looks legit. Gunnarsson has 0 points in 83 SHL games. That is almost impressive. I like the Brassard pick though. He had a .76 PPG in his +1 draft year (Juolevi's was .72) although he was 9 months older than Juolevi in his +1 season. Also good size and RH shot. It is awesome that we got two legit prospects in Palmu and Brassard in the final two rounds. I was also happy with the Jasek pick at the time and he looks legit. Not a fan of players like Gunnarsson but I know where Benning is coming from. Most 6th round picks aren't good enough to play in the SHL, and Gunnarsson is at least sticking around. He has a very low ceiling but his floor is relatively high. He could be a steady AHL defenseman who can be called up, but I prefer swinging for the fences (like with Jasek, Palmu, Brassard, and even Abolts) as players of this calibre are a dime a dozen.

Correct! Great looking beard. Also interesting how he came back to Vancouver

Gaunce was #1 in the entire league for defensive zone starts % and finished first on the Canucks for the best GA/60. In fact, Gaunce was tied 23rd in the league despite being on a team that got scored on quite a lot. He finished even +/- and his 4 goals in 37 games would have averaged closed to 10 goals over 82, which is solid goal production for a 4th line player. Gaunce is far from flashy but he is a fantastic bottom 6 player who quietly does his job. In fact, if we do make it back to the playoffs over the next two years a player like Gaunce who helps his team win under the radar at a cheap cost is hugely valuable. He played the worst minutes on one of the worst teams and came out looking pretty good. No need to knock the kid.

No new rumours. He would love to play in Toronto but is happy in Vancouver. Toronto made a move for him in the last offseason but Vancouver didn't take the offer. When it comes to things like trade rumours in some regards he knows even less about them than we do. Players don't really have that much insight, but his agent did tell him about the Leafs making a move. I don't see the Leafs offering enough for us to trade him.

I thought Leipsic with Horvat and Virtanen was an awesome line. Young, fast, physical, and skilled.

I'd do either of those trades, especially the second trade. Edler is a decent #2, great #3 miscast in a #1 role in Vancouver. He lead our players in icetime per game by a whopping 3:29 and really does it all.

That is what it says online - he is not my insurance broker. But either way, I can see Tryamkin sharing a similar sentiment. I am 6'2 215lbs, it would suck if I was expected to fight all the time in my men's league. Probably get my ass handed to me by smaller guys and get laughed at.

Nope haha he works in Mergers & Acquisitions for RBC now

If Green was our coach last year perhaps Tryamkin would still be a Canuck.

Yesterday I grabbed coffee with a fairly recent ex Canuck. Despite being a big player who was fine playing physical (hitting and checking), he didn't like fighting. He never fought in junior and didn't know what he was doing. Our coach at the time told him he needed to drop the gloves regularly. This expectation was very stressful. These dudes are not much different than you or I. Imagine having to go into the office knowing you will have to start trading fists with the biggest, toughest dude in the office in front of everybody you know and on live television. Reason I shared this is it got me thinking about Tryamkin. It seemed like a major negative in his career here was the Boston game where we got blown out, and Tryamkin got called out by Willie D for not fighting. Tryamkin is a big guy who also doesn't mind playing physical but he also has almost zero fighting experience. This expectation must have crushed him, and I highly doubt his coach in Russia is telling him to go out and fight. Of course he isn't going to come out and say this but I believe this may have been a major factor in him going back to Russia. I remember Tryamkin mentioning he doesn't like fighting, but it is likely easier to save face saying he wanted more ice time, family, and homesickness for the reason for his departure.