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Rosemary Heights/Morgan Heights over the highway. Part of the greater greenway network.

Oh that's good connecting neighbourhoods is always a good idea. If I was doing a freeway every second overpass woudn't even have a highway connection and would only be a way for local traffic to cross the road.

Or in the extreme case of the Vancouver Bypass I would only have interchanges at Marine and at the highway which would actually leave the main issue of connectivity between the communities the fact that practically none of the roads match up. (It's odd how much boundary road really is a boundary the main roads on either side don't match worth a damn.)

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Oh that's good connecting neighbourhoods is always a good idea. If I was doing a freeway every second overpass woudn't even have a highway connection and would only be a way for local traffic to cross the road.

Or in the extreme case of the Vancouver Bypass I would only have interchanges at Marine and at the highway which would actually leave the main issue of connectivity between the communities the fact that practically none of the roads match up. (It's odd how much boundary road really is a boundary the main roads on either side don't match worth a damn.)

but sooner or later, you know people on 49st/Imperial or on Kingsway are going to want to connect to the Bypass...

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Vancouver City Council has approved a report aimed at improving pedestrian safety and accessibility in Vancouver.

"Walking is the top priority in the city's transportation plan, and it's important that we improve the safety and comfort of our streets and sidewalks for pedestrians," Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson said in a written release.

"This report outlines short- and long-term steps the city will take to improve the pedestrian experience in Vancouver, and make our streets safer and more enjoyable for all users."

The plan includes a 30 km/h "pedestrian safety zone" for a six-block stretch on East Hastings Street, between Abbott and Jackson streets.

The trial is aimed at addressing the fact that Main and Hastings has the highest number of pedestrian collisions of any intersection in the city — 46 per cent higher than Broadway and Commercial, the intersection with the second highest number of collisions.

The city will also create an Active Transportation Advisory Committee to provide a voice for pedestrians on transportation issues.

Council has also approved a safety awareness program, will target pedestrians, cyclists, and motorists with the objective of helping people understand that "the responsibility for safer streets belongs to everyone."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/07/26/bc-vancouver-pedestrian.html

Is anybody actually going to drive 30 km/h on that stretch of the road? It's a 30 km/h on Columbia Street in New Westminster and cars regularly drive 60 km/h on that stretch or divert onto Front Street, which I also believe is a 30 km/h street.

Cars will divert onto Pender Street which is even more dangerous with tons of people jaywalking and parked cars?

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/07/26/bc-vancouver-pedestrian.html

Is anybody actually going to drive 30 km/h on that stretch of the road? It's a 30 km/h on Columbia Street in New Westminster and cars regularly drive 60 km/h on that stretch or divert onto Front Street, which I also believe is a 30 km/h street.

Cars will divert onto Pender Street which is even more dangerous with tons of people jaywalking and parked cars?

The day cars actually drive 30 in a 30k zone is the day pigs fly and North Korea becomes a democracy.

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but sooner or later, you know people on 49st/Imperial or on Kingsway are going to want to connect to the Bypass...

That would require blowing up a lot of houses and it's not like Marine or hwy 1 is THAT far away from either.

As soon as you start putting in local connections it stops being a bypass and starts being a ring road. There's already a good system of local roads for local people to use.

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http://www.bclocalnews.com/greater_vancouver/newwestminsternewsleader/news/126125783.html

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A few years ago Jeff Malmgren was doing some consulting work on the River District area of Vancouver just west of Boundary Road where its expected about 15,000 people will eventually live. He began to wonder how are these people going to get around?

He also noticed while doing some work for the City of New Westminster on the civic centre in the midst of a burgeoning Downtown how people were beginning to reconnect with the river. So why not, he thought, go back in time and use the river to get around? The result is the Fraser RiverBus Society, and he presented his concept to the Metro Vancouver regional planning committee last Friday.

Theres no good reason why it shouldnt work from a transportation and social point of view, said Malmgren. Its only been the last 80 to 90 years that weve turned our backs on the river and made it a back alley.

In Australia, Asia and Europe its always been in place and its growing. In North America its underutilized ... Its not only a good idea, but its a good idea now.

Malmgren is proposing four vessels with a projected capacity of 10,000 to 15,000 passengers per day could run up and down the river between Fort Langley and Richmond, providing an efficient transit alternative for commuters.

All the best transit links are for getting to downtown Vancouver, but there is a great deal of crosstown commuting that isnt being served, he said.

There are more people in Richmond who go to work in Burnaby or New Westminster than to downtown Vancouver, significantly more, and thats not an anomaly.

Malmgren estimates there are 55,000 who commute between the riverfront communities.

It takes a long trip on transit to get there and it goes through downtown which puts unnecessary pressure on the transit that is going downtown, said Malmgren.

Since cross-town commuting by transit is neither convenient nor comfortable its likely commuters will continue to use their own vehicles unless something like a RiverBus is implemented, he added.

People like the speed and privacy of the car, so the RiverBus would have to offer comforts such as wireless internet, good seating, bike storage and hop on/hop off service, along with a pleasant ride on the water.

Malmgren said the vessel that seems most appropriate for a RiverBus is a hydrofoil catamaran such as those used in New York on the East River as well as Chicago and Washington, D.C.

His group estimates capital costs, including vessels, land infrastructure and start up, would be between $15.65 million and $20.4 million, far less than the West Coast Express initial capital costs, which it says were $118 million. The operating cost is estimated at $1,000 an hour per vessel compared to the SeaBus, which is $675 an hour.

The capital cost for waterborne transportation is always going to be significantly cheaper and so will the environmental costs, Malmgren said.

This is a really great opportunity and it is an option with very little capital cost.

The New Westminster Quay and the pier at the foot of Kerr Street in Vancouver would be suitable for docking, said Malmgren. A stop at Fraser Foreshore Park in Burnaby would have lots of traffic because of all the industrial park offices and warehouses in the area. Other landings could be in Maple Ridge, Port Coquitlam and the River Rock Casino and Canada Line in Richmond.

According to Malmgren, at last Fridays meeting the Metro Vancouver directors were curious and asked a lot of questions. The committeewhich including Burnaby Mayor Derek Corrigan, the committees chair, and New Westminster Mayor Wayne Wrightasked the regional districts staff to investigate the proposal.

I thought there was some merit in it, said Wright, who admitted his reaction was one of the more positive ones from directors at the meeting.

It makes some sense for New Westminster and Richmond, he said, because of the proximity of SkyTrain stations.

Wright said the proposal is a bit too much and suggested Malmgren work on a scaled back option. The societys numbers need to be vetted and some research done to see just what might be viable, he added.

You have to have the amounts of people, otherwise you dont make money because theres just not enough usage yet, said Wright.

When he visits Sydney, Australia, where he lived for two years, Wright takes water buses all the time. But the population base around the water there is much higher than on the Fraser River, he said.

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FYI you can't have sceduled service under the Lion's gate bridge due to dangerous cargo regulations or something of that ilk.

Coastal Link Ferries has been doing it on its Bowen-Coal Harbour route while it was still in business.

I believe English Bay Launch has since taken over service on that route and still has scheduled service on it.

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Coastal Link Ferries has been doing it on its Bowen-Coal Harbour route while it was still in business.

I believe English Bay Launch has since taken over service on that route and still has scheduled service on it.

I just know it was a problem identified on an earlier translink study looking at potential north shore ferry routes.

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This would be sooo awesome. I hate the 116 bus with a fiery passion. That being said, good luck convincing people to take transit to the Fraser Foreshore business park. There's copious amounts of free parking and it's so easy to drive there (really not many traffic issues). Not to mention that there's almost nothing within walking distance in terms of restaurants, stores, etc. So if you want to go out for lunch, you pretty much have to have a car.

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This would be sooo awesome. I hate the 116 bus with a fiery passion. That being said, good luck convincing people to take transit to the Fraser Foreshore business park. There's copious amounts of free parking and it's so easy to drive there (really not many traffic issues). Not to mention that there's almost nothing within walking distance in terms of restaurants, stores, etc. So if you want to go out for lunch, you pretty much have to have a car.

I never understand the transit philosophy that you should make the entire trip by transit. While it's obviously a benefit to be ABLE to make the entire trip by transit I don't understand the opposition to having more park and ride facilities near skytrain stations. The more the build the more it is used.

And sure that doesn't take a car off the road but it greatly reduces the number of kilometers it travels and that's a jump in effeciently of the road network that's not being exploited nearly enough.

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It has been announced that as of this coming Wednesday TransLink will expand the Canada Line service.

Train service from downtown Vancouver to Richmond and the Vancouver International Airport is about to increase.

Starting Wednesday, the popular Canada Line will run 16 trains during weekday peak hours, up from 14, and will extend peak service by half an hour in the morning (to start at 6:30 a.m.) and one hour in the evening (until 7 p.m.).

On Saturdays, Sundays and holidays, peak service will continue to start at 9 a.m. but will run an hour later each day until 7 p.m., TransLink says in a news release.

All Canada Line train departures and arrival times during peak periods will change as of Wednesday and, for the rest of the month, the times shown on TransLink's trip planner may not correspond exactly with the new schedule, the release says.

"Everyone with time-sensitive connections should plan to arrive at their Canada Line station a bit earlier than usual beginning Aug. 10," TransLink advises, adding that transit schedules will be updated on Labour Day.

The expanded service was part of the operating contract between TransLink and the company that built the Canada Line. The average daily ridership on the Canada Line is approximately 107,000, the release says.

http://www.vancouversun.com/TransLink+expand+Canada+Line+service/5219404/story.html#ixzz1UOEYao2L

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