nitronuts Posted June 5, 2009 Author Share Posted June 5, 2009 ^ YXX/Abbottsford is too far from the Vancouver city core and would only stand to fail....see Mirabel, above. Broadway-City Hall Station of the Canada Line Limited advertising space between the tracks - just at the columns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trek Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 awesome. I like how at broadway station you can be on the 2nd level and still see down to track level. Gonna look great when it's completely done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 (edited) Just a thought. Do you suppose the tide of federal government policy will turn away from public transit in the years to come, now that they've got an investment in GM? Edited June 5, 2009 by Buggernut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_1 Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Just a thought. Do you supposed the tide of federal government policy will turn away from public transit in the years to come, now that they've got an investment in GM? Making it unfeasible for someone to survive without a car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 The Richmond terminus I proposed should be close enough to the airport to have border personnel shuttle back-and-forth. We should draw the line at filling in Georgia Strait to add a runway. Ya, you could have customs there too, but, it would be VERY expensive to route a high speed rail through an urban area unless you want it to be low speed rail. Having the terminus at Cloverdale, being a junction to skytrain, the interurban, trains west through Canada, and might as well have a bus terminal serving west Langley, east surrey, and you could run an express buss up 176th, over the golden ears bridge, and into pitt medows. It would make an entire transit node And although filling in a portion of Georgia straight is bad for the enviroment in the short term, in the long term it could be done in a way that creates more coastline and enviroment for underwater denezins. It would also eventually expand out the sandars and such as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Just a thought. Do you suppose the tide of federal government policy will turn away from public transit in the years to come, now that they've got an investment in GM? No. Rapid transit isn't what killed GM, it was running a business poorly combined with a crappy economy. Even if someone tripled the percentage of people taking transit way more than half would still be driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 (edited) Ya, you could have customs there too, but, it would be VERY expensive to route a high speed rail through an urban area unless you want it to be low speed rail. Having the terminus at Cloverdale, being a junction to skytrain, the interurban, trains west through Canada, and might as well have a bus terminal serving west Langley, east surrey, and you could run an express buss up 176th, over the golden ears bridge, and into pitt medows. It would make an entire transit node An alternative could be to skirt it around the urban areas of Surrey and North Delta, as I've done here, if building through their core would be too expensive and require too much expropriation. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&...789642&z=10 And although filling in a portion of Georgia straight is bad for the enviroment in the short term, in the long term it could be done in a way that creates more coastline and enviroment for underwater denezins. It would also eventually expand out the sandars and such as well. Having a big runway jetting out to sea wouldn't be much good to the waterfowl that nest on Sea and Iona Islands nor sit too well with the Wreck Beach conservationists. If they can't build another runway without building out to sea, it's time to start making an overflow out of YXX. This HSR may help prepare for this eventuality, in addition to providing a commuter option. Edited June 5, 2009 by Buggernut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denrik Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 I was just talking to my friend's dad who words at translink, and he said they are now becoming very doubtful that the skytrain will open in august. What do you think nitro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted June 5, 2009 Author Share Posted June 5, 2009 ^ i'm gonna have to say that the odds of an early-August opening have narrowed quite a bit, a lot has yet to be done (as in station cosmetics). But it's still possible. If not, perhaps late-August? Worst case scenario, Labour Day Weekend in early-September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyHermit Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 The Richmond stations are coming along nicely. I know this is probably NOT gonna happen, but is there any chance that they'll open up the Richmond portion early? (ie. like how the 98 B-Line was only from downtown to Airport Station while the Richmond portion was still under construction) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck_4_Life Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Having they been saying Labour Day weekend opening for a while now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 An alternative could be to skirt it around the urban areas of Surrey and North Delta, as I've done here, if building through their core would be too expensive and require too much expropriation. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&...789642&z=10 Having a big runway jetting out to sea wouldn't be much good to the waterfowl that nest on Sea and Iona Islands nor sit too well with the Wreck Beach conservationists. If they can't build another runway without building out to sea, it's time to start making an overflow out of YXX. This HSR may help prepare for this eventuality, in addition to providing a commuter option. High speed rail requires very very large radius curves that make it difficult to skirt around anything. And you would have to build dozens if not hundreds of grade seperated crossings. And there would be tons of properties that would have to be expropriated. And in the future the surrey langley area will have the most people in the area. And if skytrain went out there it would be an easy transfer to downtown and all points in between. And you wouldn't have tons of people getting annoyed by the noise. And there are already tons of airplanes running over that airspace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 High speed rail requires very very large radius curves that make it difficult to skirt around anything. And you would have to build dozens if not hundreds of grade seperated crossings. And there would be tons of properties that would have to be expropriated. And in the future the surrey langley area will have the most people in the area. And if skytrain went out there it would be an easy transfer to downtown and all points in between. And you wouldn't have tons of people getting annoyed by the noise. Skytrain's kind of slow if you want to take it from Langley or Cloverdale all the way to DT Van. The HSR option to Richmond should let you bypass much of Surrey and all of New West and Burnaby, and get you there much faster. Top notch HSR that goes at 300+ km/h is out of the question, since we're talking relatively short distance with frequent stops and tight curves. I'm thinking speeds of about 200 km/h instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 http://www.sxd.sala.ubc.ca/8_research/sxd_FRB08PortMann.pdf Study comparing new Port Mann with light rail alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_1 Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 http://www.sxd.sala.ubc.ca/8_research/sxd_FRB08PortMann.pdf Study comparing new Port Mann with light rail alternative. Whats the point, construction is underway already; where were these studies two years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted June 5, 2009 Author Share Posted June 5, 2009 The Richmond stations are coming along nicely. I know this is probably NOT gonna happen, but is there any chance that they'll open up the Richmond portion early? (ie. like how the 98 B-Line was only from downtown to Airport Station while the Richmond portion was still under construction) I'm quite dissapointed with Bridgeport Station actually. There's zero chance they'll open up the Richmond portion only...considering the cost of programming trains, and also considering that a Richmond opening and a entire system opening will be only separated by a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted June 5, 2009 Author Share Posted June 5, 2009 As for high speed rail, it's a fantasy. More ideal would be expanding the West Coast Express, building new routes across the region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 (edited) As for high speed rail, it's a fantasy. More ideal would be expanding the West Coast Express, building new routes across the region. Why? Even tiny little localities like Oslo, Norway, Bern, Switzerland and Huesca, Spain (where?) can afford 200+ km/h rail. And the Obama administration is willing to pick up the rest from the US border, right? Edited June 5, 2009 by Buggernut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Why? Even tiny little localities like Oslo, Norway, Bern, Switzerland and Huesca, Spain (where?) can afford 200+ km/h rail. And the Obama administration is willing to pick up the rest from the US border, right? Tiny little localities like Oslo? The population density is the difference. Europe's is much higher than ours. Look at Japan and Korea. They are covered with high speed trains (KTX and shinkansen) because they have the density. I want it, but it would only work in southern Ontario-Montreal and maybe the vancouver-portland corridor. And with the move and money the US looks like they might put up, it would be blindlingly short sighted of BC/feds to not put up the money for such a relatively short chunk of the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyHermit Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 ^ I heard that there are some safety concerns with the KTX though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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