BuckyHermit Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 That is the problem with this city. They tell everyone to take transit but do nothing to make it quick and efficient. Buses are stuck in traffic with the current bus only lanes being a joke. The bus lanes should be in the middle first off and they should make more of them, but then it all useless without enforcement! Assuming that transit is even an option, of course. (Or, if it is, assuming that the buses run more often than every 30 minutes.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 That is the problem with this city. They tell everyone to take transit but do nothing to make it quick and efficient. Buses are stuck in traffic with the current bus only lanes being a joke. The bus lanes should be in the middle first off and they should make more of them, but then it all useless without enforcement! Major transit improvements are coming your way in the next few years....the only problem standing in the way is the money to finance these projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 That is the problem with this city. They tell everyone to take transit but do nothing to make it quick and efficient. Buses are stuck in traffic with the current bus only lanes being a joke. The bus lanes should be in the middle first off and they should make more of them, but then it all useless without enforcement! If they're in the middle, then the problem will be where bus stops are located. Assuming you're talking about something like the 98 in Richmond back when there was the BOV lane in the middle, followed by a divide, you're talking about a substantial amount of money. Money for crew members, for road re-painting, and for the new medians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 ^ money we certainly don't have. The bus lanes down No.3 Road, just that little bit, cost $50-million. If you ask me, traffic signal priority would help quite a bit and that's a bit cheaper. Also, bus lanes similar to the ones we had on No.3 Road aren't possible in Vancouver where the roads are already so narrow with so few lanes. Vancouver needs to maintain its existing road capacity for the future since we certainly won't be expanding road capacity, like ever. SkyTrain route rejig possible By Jeff Nagel - Surrey North Delta Leader Published: January 15, 2009 3:00 PM Updated: January 15, 2009 3:33 PM The SkyTrain system could get a major reconfiguration of its current routes if the proposed Evergreen Line is built. The $1.4-billion rapid transit line would open in late 2014 – provided funding is secured – and would run from Coquitlam through Port Moody to connect with the existing Millennium Line at Lougheed Station in Burnaby. But consultants to TransLink have recommended the new line doesn't stop there. They propose the Evergreen Line route designation continue west of Lougheed, all the way to VCC-Clark Station, in effect taking over a big chunk of the Millennium Line. That would allow passengers from the northeast sector to ride the same train as far as the Expo Line at Broadway/Commercial Drive stations without transferring. The recommended configuration would shrink the existing Millennium Line to a low-volume less frequent shuttle route connecting Lougheed to Columbia Station in New Westminster, according to the report tabled last August. The Expo Line would continue to run from King George Station in Surrey to Waterfront downtown, but an extra set of trains would run between Waterfront and Metrotown only, providing twice as much capacity and more frequent trains on the high-demand stretch. TransLink officials say the idea is far from certain and further studies are being planned to look at future SkyTrain route configurations in more detail. "There are a number of permutations and combinations possible," said spokesman Ken Hardie, who could not say which ones are most probable. More studies are in the works to determine how best to boost capacity on the Expo Line, which the province has pledged to double by 2020. If Evergreen Line trains ran west of Lougheed, it would be a big benefit for Tri City residents and could help boost ridership when the new line opens. But riders who use the Millennium Line stations between Lougheed and Columbia would face an extra transfer. So would riders commuting between Surrey and the eight stations between Lougheed and Broadway. The August study indicated the configuration could save TransLink $20 to $100 million by reducing the number of extra SkyTrain cars that would have to be bought to achieve desired service levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trek Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Forget renaming the line. Just dub the new extension the "Millennium Line Extension Project" or something and let the trains run from VCC out to PoCo. I don't want to be riding a tree... Millennium sounds so much better (and fits with the design of the existing stations). The short connector between Lougheed and Columbia can be called something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_1 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I don't understand the sky train expansion idea to Langley. It will cost $2.5 billion - $3.5 billion. And it won't happen before 2020 at the earliest. Why doesn't the government remove their blindfolds and see there is more then one solution to a problem. A line could be built direclty from the steps of the Scott Road Sky train station to Lanley for under $500 million and open by 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I don't understand the sky train expansion idea to Langley. It will cost $2.5 billion - $3.5 billion. And it won't happen before 2020 at the earliest. Why doesn't the government remove their blindfolds and see there is more then one solution to a problem. A line could be built direclty from the steps of the Scott Road Sky train station to Lanley for under $500 million and open by 2010. With so many stops, it should get you to Chilliwack in a good three hours or so. And has all the recent flooding in the Valley recreated Sumas Lake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverpig Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 With so many stops, it should get you to Chilliwack in a good three hours or so. And has all the recent flooding in the Valley recreated Sumas Lake? Yeah, but there may be a way to make an express train that stops only every 10 stops or so... Kind of like a B-Line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-View Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 (edited) Clayburn? Delair? Vye? Yes, these are existing train tracks, but are you fracking kidding me? Edited January 16, 2009 by legallyillegal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I don't understand the sky train expansion idea to Langley. It will cost $2.5 billion - $3.5 billion. And it won't happen before 2020 at the earliest. Why doesn't the government remove their blindfolds and see there is more then one solution to a problem. A line could be built direclty from the steps of the Scott Road Sky train station to Lanley for under $500 million and open by 2010. The only logical route would be going down the number 1 wich would be the best route for maximum ridership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 (edited) I don't understand the sky train expansion idea to Langley. It will cost $2.5 billion - $3.5 billion. And it won't happen before 2020 at the earliest. Why doesn't the government remove their blindfolds and see there is more then one solution to a problem. A line could be built direclty from the steps of the Scott Road Sky train station to Lanley for under $500 million and open by 2010. 1) Nobody would ride that commuter line, it has an absurd number of stops and it would take literally hours just to get from one end to the other. Those Valtac people don't know what they are talking about. 2) The SkyTrain expansion WILL NOT cost $2.5-3.5-billion. The government's plan is to use the majority of that money to renovate the existing Expo SkyTrain stations and to expand all of the platforms from 80-metres to ~110/120-metres to accommodate longer trains in the future to accommodate 8-car Mark I's and 6-car Mark II's. The Expo Line is in need of more capacity. That's phase A. Phase B is to extend the Expo SkyTrain Line further into Surrey by 6-kms, to Guildford and then as far as 168 Street towards Langley. This 6-km extension would cost $600-700-million. Phase A and B will together cost $3.1-billion. Phase C wouldn't happen for awhile, and that's to extend it to Langley. Anyhow, it's interesting to note that half of the Mark I fleet will be available for service by 2026, and about 25% available by 2031. They will all be gone by 2037. Edited January 16, 2009 by nitronuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanuck14 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 They propose the Evergreen Line route designation continue west of Lougheed, all the way to VCC-Clark Station, in effect taking over a big chunk of the Millennium Line. That would allow passengers from the northeast sector to ride the same train as far as the Expo Line at Broadway/Commercial Drive stations without transferring. This is just common sense to have the train continue to Vancouver but why waste the money to change all the signs on the existing M-Line to Evergreen line? Just leave the names as is. Speaking of Port Moody why do they have a bus lane just going westbound along St Johns? There is plenty of room to make one going eastbound after Moody St which is where traffic is usually backed up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_1 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 With so many stops, it should get you to Chilliwack in a good three hours or so. And has all the recent flooding in the Valley recreated Sumas Lake? The picture is of the old interurban route. I am not proposing a line to Chilliwack but to Langley. And no it won't stop at all those locations just Langley Central, Willowbrook (Near the Mall), Cloverdale, Newton, North Delta (Kennedy) and Scott Road Sky Train Station. 25-35 minutes from Langley to Scott Road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 The picture is of the old interurban route. I am not proposing a line to Chilliwack but to Langley. And no it won't stop at all those locations just Langley Central, Willowbrook (Near the Mall), Cloverdale, Newton, North Delta (Kennedy) and Scott Road Sky Train Station. 25-35 minutes from Langley to Scott Road. would never work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_1 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Phase C wouldn't happen for awhile, and that's to extend it to Langley. My Point was maybe this light rail is more feasible and could open earlier then 2035. South of the Fraser Residents will have no choice but to drive across a $2 billion tolled bridge and then be squeezed on roads built for the 70's into Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 The picture is of the old interurban route. I am not proposing a line to Chilliwack but to Langley. And no it won't stop at all those locations just Langley Central, Willowbrook (Near the Mall), Cloverdale, Newton, North Delta (Kennedy) and Scott Road Sky Train Station. 25-35 minutes from Langley to Scott Road. Too bad we SOLD the interurban route. What is it with people that when they see train tracks they assume they must be public property and it's simply a matter of running trains down them to provide transit?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 With so many stops, it should get you to Chilliwack in a good three hours or so. And has all the recent flooding in the Valley recreated Sumas Lake? They did such a good job draining Sumas Lake that it's one of the last places to flood during a flood event! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Too bad we SOLD the interurban route. What is it with people that when they see train tracks they assume they must be public property and it's simply a matter of running trains down them to provide transit?!? Is it put to much use? Could we rent some time on it for commuter rail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_1 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Too bad we SOLD the interurban route. What is it with people that when they see train tracks they assume they must be public property and it's simply a matter of running trains down them to provide transit?!? the right of way is still OWNED by the government and has the capacity for running transit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 ^ money we certainly don't have. The bus lanes down No.3 Road, just that little bit, cost $50-million. If you ask me, traffic signal priority would help quite a bit and that's a bit cheaper. Also, bus lanes similar to the ones we had on No.3 Road aren't possible in Vancouver where the roads are already so narrow with so few lanes. Vancouver needs to maintain its existing road capacity for the future since we certainly won't be expanding road capacity, like ever. Eh? Operation remove the parking that shouldn't be on arterial roads in the first place and replace them with bus lanes. Look ma, I widening the road with a paint brush! Oh course, even if that DID encourage buses while discouraging cars, it would of course increase the road capacity for through traffic, and as you and I both know we can't have THAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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