(Vancouver Sun Article) Vigneault ‘Didn't Mean What He Said’ On Luongo Trade Request

[Banned01]

Also called speculation

Also called making assumptions

Also called seeing what you want to see

Also called BS.

The truth is you're assuming Lou has no trade value because he's still here. One can just as easily assume he's still here because the trade process hasn't even been started yet. I for one didn't expect anything to be done immediately. I'd be extremely surprised if Lou is traded without having Schneider signed first. There is of course the third option that MG actually meant what he said about trying to keep both here. Likely? No. Possible? Yes.

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The Cap says hello and MG has the same limitations as the other 29 teams in the NHL. It doesn't matter what he wants to do, his hand is forced from the ideal path because of the Cap.

Too bad you lack the wherewithal to grasp the parameters the Cap makes on teams in today's NHL.

Whenever you lack the ability to counter the point made and stay on the thread's topic you resort to Flames bashing, have at it, it is reflective of your inability to face Cap reality on this particular set of circumstances...

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The tricky part is the Luongo trade opportunity will likely be at the draft, while RFA's are usually extended well into the summer. Add in the potential of an offer sheet, and we could in theory lose both goaltenders while getting who knows what in return. Highly doubtful that happens, as we'd likely match, but it could happen if the offer was plainly ridiculous.

Start of the Eddie Lack era? LOL. Cheers.

TOML

[Banned01]

You should have your own thread called "worthless speculation" where you can simply post endlessly and disregard what people like Luongo, Mike Gillis, Schneider, his agent, etc - the actual people whose opinions and decisions matter - actually have to say on the matter and who will eventually decide what gets done... You don't really care what the facts regarding their statements are - that's fine - prattle away - your combination of arrogance and dumb, endless speculation is second to none.

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Polished public comments are meant to manage people like you.

Common sense and a little insight tells you where this story is headed.

Suggesting that 2 starting Goaltenders stay on the same team and at a Cap Cost total of ~ 9 million, a figure so far above the current highest amount any other team allocates to Goaltending is absurd.

The facts surrounding this story are there. Including Burke's constant commentary on how he hates long term contracts, Yzerman throwing cold water on any Luo trade rumors and many other points which you seem incapable of understanding. TB was the best fit and would have had the best offer for Luo on the table, Yzerman wants a young Goaltender, he may get Schneider but it won't be Luo.

Good luck, have another shot of the Kool-Aid. Your comments have no insight and are nothing more than parroting the company line. Management doesn't have a choice, they simply can not spend that amount on two Goalies and still table a strong team with good players in depth positions next year.

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It's funny you should mention parroting the company line when no one has proven a bigger fanboy of Jay Feaster than yourself. How did that "playoff push" work out?

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There is a Flames thread if you want to make comments in it. Again, all you ever do when you can not counter what I say rationally is resort to Flames bashing.

Stay on the topic of the thread.

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There is a Flames website as well.... aren't you the person who arrogantly suggested that I should not post in your Flames thread because I am not a Feaster fanboy...

No person could be bothered to counter everything you say. You can't win an argument, but you can sure wear one out.

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Nope, it wasn't me.

In another thread you had people calling you a moron because you were talking about how the canucks spend X dollars on Centers and can only have one on the ice, so why not do the same with two starting Goalies.

You can't win an argument because you lack the ability to counter the points in any sensical way...

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Oh that was Banned from Truth - now known as Banned01 - you never did answer what you were banned for. That one should be entertaining.

You jumped into this thread wondering why the Canucks waited a month to correct what you wrongly assumed was a statement that Luongo wants out. You've been piling manure on top of that manure since. In other words, a waste of time.

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Polished public comments are meant to manage people like you.

Common sense and a little insight tells you where this story is headed.

Suggesting that 2 starting Goaltenders stay on the same team and at a Cap Cost total of ~ 9 million, a figure so far above the current highest amount any other team allocates to Goaltending is absurd. It would be historically unprecedented.

[Banned01]

^^^^

The only catch is that one GM will look like a liar, the other won't. Who cares the most about that? MG has given himself an out already with the word "possibly" - Yzerman didn't. Burke will be roasted after spending years attacking long-term contracts.

We'll see, the Canucks can't start the season with two starting Goalies, the only person that line works on is "OldNews", MG has to deal one of them...

From any rational perspective, that long contract has to be a pretty big negative in the eyes of any other team.

Heck a ton of teams are not even spending right to the Cap, they have internal financial restrictions and again. 18 teams in the NHL do not even spend on BOTH their goaltenders - Luo's cap hit alone.

Big money teams that can take on the contract will not want to give up the flexibility for the future.

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When a player agrees to waive his NTC / NMC before he is even traded is that in even the slightest way an indication that he wants to leave?

Honestly, the whole issue here is silly, who cares if Luo "says" he wants out or not. He obviously is willing to leave and if he didn't want to, he would not have agreed to waive his NTC.

Why get an NTC if you do not want control of whether the team can move you or not. He has cleared his movement to another list of teams.

Oh wait, people like you can't process a player wanting to leave because he is an all-star Goalie and doesn't want to ride the bench…

Unreal...

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The only catch is that one GM will look like a liar, the other won't. Who cares the most about that? MG has given himself an out already with the word "possibly" - Yzerman didn't. Burke will be roasted after spending years attacking long-term contracts.

We'll see, the Canucks can't start the season with two starting Goalies, the only person that line works on is "OldNews", MG has to deal one of them...

From any rational perspective, that long contract has to be a pretty big negative in the eyes of any other team.

Heck a ton of teams are not even spending right to the Cap.

[Banned01]

If you were so good at reading between the lines, you might realize that there is a huge contingent of cup-half-empty media types in Vancouver who have been trying to run Luongo out of town for a long time. Luongo's comment can just as easily be read as deferential - ie if everyone wants to keep Schneider and get rid of me, I will not stand in the way - it is just as easy to interpret his comments that way - in fact he clearly stated that if the Canucks want him to waive his ntc, he would. You have chosen to troll this thread hoping to suggest that he submitted a list, the Canucks shopped him, no takers, he has no trade value, they will be forced to move Schneider, blah blah manure on manure.

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Evidently you haven't read many people's comments on CDC - there is no such unanimity that a tandem is ridiculous.

Have you heard of Rask and Thomas by any chance?

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Guess Bob Mackenzie is trolling you too...

Bob McKenzie Audio: McKenzie doesn’t think there will be much of market for Roberto Luongo as originally thought. The Lightning may be more interested in Jonathan Bernier. The Panthers and Maple Leafs may not be interested in Luongo either. The Leafs may look at Tomas Vokoun as a possible veteran to bring in. Vokoun has an offer from the KHL already.

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Actually I have and I am happy to be part of the intelligent camp of CDC that sees the writing on the wall...

Re: Thomas / Rask - After me telling you this at least a half dozen times, you just refuse to see it. Luongo has like 10 more years on his contract. He will start for at least 5-7 more years. Thomas, could be traded this off-season and he only has one more year.

How long does Rask wait? One more year.

How long does Schneider wait?

Dude, it is just incredible how you are incapable of seeing how a 26 year old Schneider will not wait 5-7 more years to start. If Luo / Sch were on the same contract staggering as Rask / Thomas there would be no problem...

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Luongo will be a starter for 5-7 more years at a bargain cap hit, yet has no value. Interesting how you skip back and forth between contradictions.

Thomas is a 5 million cap hit - Rask is an RFA - they have shared duties for over three years - and won a Cup last year.

Schneider won't have to wait. He won't be traded either.

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Wow

And I am the one contradicting myself?