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Premier Christy is a-vowing to hunt down those dangnabbed varmints responsible for Vancouver's hockey riots that saw massive vandalism, wanton violence and furious bouts of arson.

In a tough talking statement today, Clark said the riots were a "shameful display of behaviour by people bent on violence."

"If you are responsible, we will hold you responsible. Your family, friends and employers will know," Clark said. "We will ensure we have the resources to do this. You will not be able to hide behind your hoodie or your bandana."

Premier Clark's open letter to British Columbians:

British Columbians are understandably embarrassed and disappointed by Wednesday night's activities. It should have been a celebration of the tremendous effort by the Canucks in their playoff run. It turned into a shameful display of behaviour by people bent on violence.

The vast majority of citizens gathered and dispersed peacefully, but sadly they also witnessed the mayhem. There were also good Samaritans there: people who had the guts to stand up for what is right and citizens who showed up the morning after to help with the clean-up.

These people deserve our thanks. They are the ones who will define our city and our province.

The police and fire fighters had a very difficult job and their hard work is appreciated. The clean-up crews and the businesses have all worked hard to restore the downtown core. I'd also like to thank the first responders who tended to those who were injured as a result of these foolish actions.

There were a lot of preparations. Based on the Olympics, Vancouverites hoped and expected we were past the type of destruction

we saw in 1994. It's very disappointing. We will work with the City of Vancouver to review what we can learn from this. When this happened in '94, new approaches were incorporated. We have more to do.

I want to be very clear: this is not who we are. We will not let this band of criminals define us.

None of us want to live in the kind of society we saw last night. We are going to send a strong message of deterrence: if you played a part in this, we have a mountain of evidence and that evidence will be used by authorities to support criminal charges.

Members of the public can help the police and crown prosecutors by submitting any photos, videos or other evidence they may have.

Vancouver police are asking people to email their photos and videos to
, or post information through Twitter at #VPD.

Citizens have also come together to create their own social media sites to share information about events and images of troublemakers captured on mobile phones. The police will monitor these sites closely as part of their efforts to gather evidence.

We will push for full justice. Collectively, we will do our best to bring those responsible to account. Criminal charges will be pursued

wherever possible and appropriate.

If you are responsible, we will hold you responsible. Your family, friends and employers will know. We will ensure we have the resources to do this. You will not be able to hide behind your hoodie or your bandana.

No one wants this to happen again. We will not let the behaviour of a few disgrace the City of Vancouver or British Columbia as a whole. This is not who we are.

On Thursday morning I met with Mayor Robertson and Charles Gauthier of the Downtown Vancouver Business Improvement Association to survey the damage. We met dozens of citizens who had gathered downtown, saddened by what happened last night but determined to clean up.

Among them was a student from David Livingston Elementary School, broom in hand, doing her part to sweep away the stain left on her city last night. In these people I saw the spirit, grace and responsibility that make Vancouver and British Columbia the kind of

place we all want to live.

Christy Clark

Premier of British Columbia

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Premier+Clark+says+those+responsible+Vancouver+riots+will+hunted+down/4959609/story.html#ixzz1PUw8b0Xi

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i asked someone to send in the photos that he took of the riot on facebook. he stuck around to take effing photos. his response:

"other than the guy on the tree and the burning mannequin... thers not evidence of people actually vandalizing... im not going to report those two guys in the photos... police have more serious crimes to take care of"

:picard::picard::picard:

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i asked someone to send in the photos that he took of the riot on facebook. he stuck around to take effing photos. his response:

"other than the guy on the tree and the burning mannequin... thers not evidence of people actually vandalizing... im not going to report those two guys in the photos... police have more serious crimes to take care of"

:picard::picard::picard:

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This isnt the first time this has ever happened because of sports in North America

Edmonton in 2006 they rioted like three games straight couple stabbings hundreds of arrests

LA after the Lakers won and lost they rioted

Boston fans even rioted after the game they tried to tip over a bus.

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My hope for the future is that the good citizens of Vancouver, the ones who are responsible, respectful, and love our city, would join together and intervene if ever such a situation materializes again. These rioters/anarchists must be shown that WE will not accept such behaviour. This is our city. Not theirs. They are not welcome. And we will not tolerate them or their behaviour.

I know that's easy for me to say because it requires bravery and selflessness for someone to stand up against weapons, violence and the threat of physical harm, but other people have done just that against mightier foes than these useless hooligans. Let the mob mentality work in our favour!

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Riots following big sporting events have become predictable. They happen about half the time following a championship game or series, the experts say.

What's more, sports riots are now the most common type of riot in North America.

But they are usually celebratory sports riots. What makes Vancouver stand out, both in 2011 and 1994, is that its street mayhem followed the home team losing the big game.

In fact it is so unusual that Jerry Lewis, the author of Sports Fan Violence in North America, told CBC News that what we saw Wednesday night "might be called the Vancouver effect."

An emeritus professor of sociology at Kent State University in Ohio, Lewis has looked closely at over 200 sports riots in the U.S. and none of them followed a loss by the home team.

si-los-angeles-2001-300.jpgThe vast majority of sports riots in North America are celebration riots. Los Angeles Lakers fans jump over a fire in the street in celebration after the Lakers won the NBA championship on June 15, 2001. (David McNew/Getty Images)That little quirk aside, however, Vancouver's night of rampage does fit relatively well with the overall pattern of sports riots in North America. From his research, Lewis has identified five common conditions:

  • A natural urban gathering place.
  • The availability of a 'cadre' of young, white males.
  • Championship stakes.
  • Deep in the series.
  • A close, exciting game.

All but the last condition applied to Vancouver on Wednesday, game seven of the Stanley Cup finals. Boston had scored three goals in the second period and then added an empty netter late in the third.

Different in Europe

The situation is different in Europe. The European-style riot, which has been the scourge of politicians there for years, has fans fighting each other and is usually initiated by the losing team's supporters.

On both sides of the Atlantic, however, alcohol often acts as an accelerant.

Bob Carrothers, a social psychologist from North Ohio University, also studies sports riots and, expecting the likelihood of an outburst following a seventh game of a Stanley Cup series, he was closely monitoring the events in Vancouver.

His take was that the Vancouver situation followed "a very European pattern where a loss almost seems like an attack on your identity, on your city, on your team, on who you are."

He said that in North America, mostly "when your team loses, you feel bad, you slink home and you pout."

From what we know about the Vancouver outburst there was no clear triggering event after the game. But, according to Lewis, that is consistent with many other sports riots.

Identifying with your team

In his examination of the subject, Lewis says rioting by fans is a manifestation of a strong identification with the team.

While the fan can't contribute on the ice or playing field, he says "the act of violence becomes an analogy to the sports skill of the hockey players in a celebrating riot."

si-vancouver-1994riot-300.jpgRiots in Vancouver followed both times the Canucks lost the seventh game of a Stanley Cup final. Members of a large crowd in downtown Vancouver disperse after being tear gassed by police June 14, 1994. Riot police moved in after rioting started following the Vancouver Canucks loss against the New York Rangers in the Stanley Cup final in New York. (Chuck Stoody/Canadian Press)The irony of the Vancouver riots, of course, is that they were not celebrations of victory.

Both Lewis and Carrothers told CBC News that they think the post-game rioting in Vancouver was simply an expression of frustration.

The usual explanation for youth violence - alienation -- does not seen to be a factor in sports riots, Carrothers feels. In this case, fans are identifying with a community and with their team.

Carrothers did say that compared to other sports riots, the level of violence in Vancouver was very strange, "almost like there's an outside force."

Vancouver police Chief Jim Chu described the instigators as anarchists and criminals and he said they appeared to be the same people involved in the demonstrations leading up to the Winter Olympics.

Sports riots vs. political riots

Compared to political riots, like the kind we've been seeing in Greece for weeks now, sports riots tend to be much shorter. Lewis found that they typically last two to three hours while political riots, including race riots, go on longer, sometimes for days and weeks at a time.

Another difference is that, while the key variables for sports riots are young males, in political riots women also participate.

Lewis pointed out that another difference is that political riots have very clear perceived causes. But with sports riots, as Carrothers said in our interview, "I don't know that in their minds, there is even an achievement part to it, it's really just an emotional release."

Leading social scientists like Mancur Olson, Charles Tilly and Sidney Tarrow in their studies presented political protests as performances.

In what they call contentious politics, there is a very small core group of leaders, a larger intermediate group that follows them, and a much larger group still that gets caught up in the action in order to make a political point, or bring about change.

Sports riots can be interpreted in a similar way, some say.

si-vancouver-riot-300-3.jpgVancouver Canucks watch a car burn during a riot following game 7 of the NHL Stanley Cup final in downtown Vancouver on June 15. Riots following losses are so unusual, it might be called the Vancouver effect, sociologist Jerry lewis told CBC News. (Geoff Howe/Canadian Press)In Lewis's analysis, "the active core are not necessarily rational leaders who are politically concerned but are simply people who start doing violent behaviour."

"Young white males just start doing it, there's a gathering around them of what I call cheerleaders who act in support, then the observers create an arena," Lewis explained.

Carrothers said that appeared to be the case in Vancouver, even though it was not a celebrating event.

"Vancouver might just be an international city with a different dynamic," he said, adding, "It's nothing they should be ashamed of as a city, it happens."

Lewis's conclusion is that the 'Vancouver effect' is completely different from other sports riots. "We have to figure out why."

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After what German_Canucks_Supporter posted yesterday that our riot even SURPASSES European riots for at least the last thirteen years, I'm inclined to believe our riot has got to be worse than all of those. It even made international news- that is pretty bad :picard:

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This isnt the first time this has ever happened because of sports in North America

Edmonton in 2006 they rioted like three games straight couple stabbings hundreds of arrests

LA after the Lakers won and lost they rioted

Boston fans even rioted after the game they tried to tip over a bus.

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There will be something new and bigger to talk about in no time. Our reputation may be "tarnished" (kind of sad how one small blip can ruin a reputation, but that's how it is) but I have no doubt it will be re-built soon enough.

I've moved on from it too.

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