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#31 OrdinaryBoy

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 11:08 AM

For those of you debating the qualities of Harry Potter, The Hunger Games and Twilight, I think that debate can be accurately distilled down into this: 1. Hunger Games - poor writing, good plot 2. Harry Potter - quality writing, great plot 3. Twilight - miserable writing, poor plot


I wouldn't go so far as to say Harry Potter had a great plot.
It was definitely enjoyable, but the series could have been retitled "Harry Potter and the Deus Ex Machina"

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 11:14 AM

For me, it seemed like she had a bad day and decided to kill off all the characters.
Seriously?
Gale and Katniss' relationship wrapped up in a single sentence?


Wasn't really a single sentence, there was some lead up to it, like when Peeta and Gale were discussing how she would pick the one she needed to survive.

Not much explanation though, I agree with you there. I expected Mockingjay to be longer than it was, IMO it should've been. So many characters unnecessarily died too.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 11:31 AM

Wasn't really a single sentence, there was some lead up to it, like when Peeta and Gale were discussing how she would pick the one she needed to survive.

Not much explanation though, I agree with you there. I expected Mockingjay to be longer than it was, IMO it should've been. So many characters unnecessarily died too.

Mockinjay was a little short. But I think that the part with Katniss being in District 13 was much too long...especially compared to the part in the Capitol.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 11:39 AM

Couldn't pay me enough to go see this tripe. I'd rather be forced to watch a Twilight marathon.

And why is that?

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 12:32 PM

Wasn't really a single sentence, there was some lead up to it, like when Peeta and Gale were discussing how she would pick the one she needed to survive.

Not much explanation though, I agree with you there. I expected Mockingjay to be longer than it was, IMO it should've been. So many characters unnecessarily died too.


I swear it was wrapped up in one sentence, it was something along the lines of:
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Terribly disappointing for me.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 12:38 PM

I wouldn't go so far as to say Harry Potter had a great plot.
It was definitely enjoyable, but the series could have been retitled "Harry Potter and the Deus Ex Machina"


To say Harry Potter did not have a great plot is a understatement. The books were absolutely well written and did not leave anything out. The movies were also very well made except for maybe 1 or 2 in the middle. The first 3 and last 2 were absolutely amazing.
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 12:56 PM

I haven't read the books or know of the story...I heard its very similar to twilight (in terms of love triangle or something?) ....true or false? I don't want to look up the plot online cause of the spoilers...


Main plot is a bunch of teens trying to killeachother, while Twilight's plot is just a bunch of vampires sparkling.

The "love story" in the Hunger Games is more of a sub-plot.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:39 PM

I expect the Hunger Games will be bigger than Twilight but not Harry Potter
I wanna read the Hunger Games but my friend said the ending sucked.
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:48 PM

The Hunger Games trilogy, particularly the first book, is entirely plot-based. The writing and editing are extremely poor, but you don't care as much once you get hooked by the plot. As soon as I finished the first one I thought "this is one of the few books that will be a better movie than a book" - it's short, plot-based and a visual representation could make the love story less forced.

For those of you debating the qualities of Harry Potter, The Hunger Games and Twilight, I think that debate can be accurately distilled down into this:
1. Hunger Games - poor writing, good plot
2. Harry Potter - quality writing, great plot
3. Twilight - miserable writing, poor plot


LOTR:
Amazing writing, amazing plot.
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 04:13 PM

I just got back from seeing the movie. It was surprisingly a very good movie. I thought the acting was superb, especially everything from Jennifer Lawrence.

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Main plot is a bunch of teens trying to killeachother, while Twilight's plot is just a bunch of vampires sparkling.

The "love story" in the Hunger Games is more of a sub-plot.


I don't know if they were aiming for this but in the movie
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I didn't see any indication of a love triangle whatsoever.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 05:33 PM

I don't know if they were aiming for this but in the movie

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I didn't see any indication of a love triangle whatsoever.

I am assuming you havent read the books yet?

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To stay super true to the book, I think the book may have had to be made into a rated R movie...but that would mean excluding the target audience.... so we will just have to live with the lack of action. Hopefully the rest of the movies in the series will be a little more...well..graphic. Or maybe they can release a directors cut on DVD where none of it is left out (I saw the UK version which supposedly had parts editted out so they could get a 12A rating...)

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 05:44 PM

To say Harry Potter did not have a great plot is a understatement. The books were absolutely well written and did not leave anything out. The movies were also very well made except for maybe 1 or 2 in the middle. The first 3 and last 2 were absolutely amazing.


So you're saying it DIDN'T have a good plot?

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 05:58 PM

I am assuming you havent read the books yet?

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To stay super true to the book, I think the book may have had to be made into a rated R movie...but that would mean excluding the target audience.... so we will just have to live with the lack of action. Hopefully the rest of the movies in the series will be a little more...well..graphic. Or maybe they can release a directors cut on DVD where none of it is left out (I saw the UK version which supposedly had parts editted out so they could get a 12A rating...)


I haven't seen the movie yet -

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 07:22 PM

So you're saying it DIDN'T have a good plot?


I'm saying it had a great plot.
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 07:40 PM

In terms of books and my opinion.
The Hunger Games > Twilight
Harry Potter > The Hunger Games + Twilight
Percy Jackson > Harry Potter + The Hunger Games + Twilight

Mocking Jay was bad. Ctaching fire was ok. The movie was one the best ive watched in 2012
Twilight just simply sucks. Didnt even get through the first book, nevermind the movies.
Harry Potter was enjoyable. Though, freaking long to watch.
Percy Jackson is the best. Though the movie was terrible



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Posted 23 March 2012 - 07:49 PM

In terms of books and my opinion.
The Hunger Games > Twilight
Harry Potter > The Hunger Games + Twilight
Percy Jackson > Harry Potter + The Hunger Games + Twilight

Mocking Jay was bad. Ctaching fire was ok. The movie was one the best ive watched in 2012
Twilight just simply sucks. Didnt even get through the first book, nevermind the movies.
Harry Potter was enjoyable. Though, freaking long to watch.
Percy Jackson is the best. Though the movie was terrible

LOTR>All

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 08:10 PM

LOTR>All


Never really got into Lord of the Rings. lol



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Posted 23 March 2012 - 08:29 PM

SOMEWHAT SPOILER ALERT


My favourite character dies in mocking jay :'(

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 09:06 PM

The movie was quite good. However if you have read the books, be ready to be disappointed when some key things aren't in the film. I won't spoil anything but there a some very important things in the book that aren't mentioned.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 02:10 AM

How are the action scenes? Too bad they couldn't include the more graphic stuff there though...

Going to see it on Friday, when I don't have to share a theatre with 1000000000 middle/high schoolers.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 02:35 AM

The movie was good for a book adaption. Sort of felt like a Disney'd Battle Royale to me. If you liked the basis of teenagers being forced to kill each other by the government in a competition of sorts and fine with some actual blood and violence I would recommend watching or reading Battle Royale, a japanese novel/movie which is very similar to The Hunger Games.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:49 PM

Hunger Games written for teenybopper girls? Yes or No?

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:20 AM

Hunger Games written for teenybopper girls? Yes or No?

I have a feeling that when Collins wrote the book, she had intended it to be for both male and female young adults. However, but choosing to have a female protagonist, the book appeals more to girls (and I mean this in the least offensive way possible...just from personal experience boys are less likely to look up to a female character). Add to that the love triangle...I think it does have an appeal to "teenybopper" girls. However, I don't think Collins was going for Teenyboppers specifically.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:29 AM

As far as the film goes, the comparisons to the horrendous teenybop movie Twilight are laughable, if there's any "love" that isn't a ploy for putting on a show for the sake of survival, it's Katniss for her sister. To me this is simply a nice sci-fi drama/dystopia film.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:43 PM

I liked the movie a lot. Would recommend it.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:55 PM

Hunger Games written for teenybopper girls? Yes or No?


Nah, I worried about that too, I felt guilty for reading it.

Then I realized I'm not the only 20-something-male who really enjoyed all the books.

Then I realized who gives a **** what anyone else thinks if I enjoyed it.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:52 PM

http://www.npr.org/2...-without-horror

Suzanne Collins' novel The Hunger Games and its two sequels are smashingly well written and morally problematic. They're set in the future, in which a country — presumably the former United States — is divided into 12 fenced-off districts many miles apart.

Each year, to remind people of its limitless power, a totalitarian government holds a lottery, selecting two children per district to participate in a killing ritual — the Hunger Games of the title — that will be televised to the masses, complete with opening ceremonies and beauty-pageant-style interviews.
Out of 24 participants, only one child will live. And we hope it will be Katniss Everdeen, from the impoverished mining District 12 — a teen who, when her little sister is picked in the lottery, volunteers to take her place.

Why is it problematic? Kids killing kids is the most wrenching thing we can imagine, and rooting for the deaths of Katniss' opponents can't help but implicate us. But the novel is written by a humanist: When a child dies, we breathe a sigh of relief that Katniss has one less adversary, but we never go, "Yes!" — we feel only revulsion for this evil ritual.
If the film's director, Gary Ross, has any qualms about kids killing kids, he keeps them to himself. The murders on screen are fast and largely pain-free — you can hardly see who's killing who. So despite the high body count, the rating is PG-13.

Think about it: You make killing vivid and upsetting and get an R. You take the sting out of it, and kids are allowed into the theater. The ratings board has it backward.
The packed preview audience clearly loved The Hunger Games, but I saw one missed opportunity after another. Director Ross has a penchant for showbiz satire, pleasant in Pleasantville but ruinous in Seabiscuit — a great book about the torturous underbelly of horse racing turned into a lame, movie-ish period piece.

He approaches The Hunger Games like a hack. The film is all shaky close-ups, so you rarely have a chance to take in the space, and the editing is so fast you can't focus. As Katniss' dissolute mentor Haymitch, a former Hunger Games champ, Woody Harrelson has no chance to establish a comic rhythm — or disgust at what he's doing. The book's most fascinating and mercurial character, the costume designer Cinna, is now a blandly nice guy played by the agreeable but dull non-actor Lenny Kravitz.

A highlight of the book is how Cinna uses his showbiz savvy to make the reluctant Katniss a star, the center of the pre-Hunger Games pageant. But in the movie, her entrance in a costume that's literally in flames is so poorly framed that you can't revel in her triumph. Ross throws away what could be a startling image of child warriors rising out of tubes to face one another in a semicircle, knowing they might die in seconds. Where is the horror?

The film gets some things right, like the shots of Katniss running through the woods, the canopy of trees above her streaking by. And it has an astoundingly good Katniss in Jennifer Lawrence. She's not a chiseled Hollywood ingénue or a trained action star — she looks real. And without words, she makes it clear that Katniss' task is not merely to stay alive but somehow to hold onto her humanity.
A few other actors register in spite of the speed-freak editing. Josh Hutcherson has a strong, sorrowful countenance as Katniss' fellow District 12 contestant, Peeta. Stanley Tucci in a blue bouffant as a talk-show host, Wes Bentley in a manicured black-fungus beard as the games' high-tech coordinator, and Donald Sutherland in a white mane as the demonic lion of a president are all you could hope for.

There's a terrific score by James Newton Howard that captures moods — wistful, mysterious — that the director fails to evoke. The Hunger Games leaves you content — but not, as with the novel, devastated by the senseless carnage. It is, I'm sorry to say, the work of moral cowards.


This review makes a good point. Why are the MPAA able to lower the rating of a movie about children killing children, just because they remove the "sting" and gloss over the obvious issues this subject brings up. Clearly its done just to reach a wider audience and earn some more box office money, maybe it shouldn't be allowed?

They should've forced them to make it Rated R and hopefully force the director to think about at least broaching the subject to the audience. It's for this reason that, sadly you realize why this will just be another "hollywood blockbuster" movie nobody remembered and not a potential classic like the original, Battle Royale, became.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:38 PM

I havnt see or read an of the books,but this seems like a odd series.
Do the kids kill each other in the Competition or what? Because that seems deep if they show that.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 11:09 PM

Disliked the movie but better then Twilight any day.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 02:23 AM

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This review makes a good point. Why are the MPAA able to lower the rating of a movie about children killing children, just because they remove the "sting" and gloss over the obvious issues this subject brings up. Clearly its done just to reach a wider audience and earn some more box office money, maybe it shouldn't be allowed?

They should've forced them to make it Rated R and hopefully force the director to think about at least broaching the subject to the audience. It's for this reason that, sadly you realize why this will just be another "hollywood blockbuster" movie nobody remembered and not a potential classic like the original, Battle Royale, became.


It's not meant to be a "Rated-R" book. I thought it was handled well, because although it IS a violent book, it's paradoxically an anti-violence message. It doesn't need to be gory and bloody to make a point, just like, for example, it doesn't have to be porn to suggest that there's a relationship between two people.

I think it SHOULD include teenagers, because they're an audience who needs a message like this - a chance to see their own "Capitol" culture from the outside, if only for a brief glimpse and Rated-R, at least to some extent, prevents that.

I havnt see or read an of the books,but this seems like a odd series.
Do the kids kill each other in the Competition or what? Because that seems deep if they show that.


It IS deep, and reducing it to "Twilight 2.0" robs The Hunger Games of some of their most important themes.

I would characterize the most significant message as being the one that points back to our own decadent culture and say that the trilogy is deeper than many would suggest. It's a good read, seemingly simplistic writing at first, but on purpose because of the point of view (1st-person as a 16-year-old girl), rather than the simplicity of the author herself. It's not just another Twilight, and I'm not just saying that to defend my manhood - it made me think, which is more than I can say about a lot of the drivel that's out there.
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